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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 12:58 PM
With the backlash I encountered during the discussion of the Boston Marathon Bombing, I have decided to put my analysis/take on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case here, particularly because there are likely to be further actions related to the verdict. The Department of Justice has started it's own separate federal probe. The probe is separate from the NAACP demand/request that the Department open an investigation into Civil Rights violations for a potential Civil Rights Case.

There are two areas of investigation that can be open subsequent to the verdict in the case that has just concluded. One is a Civil Case, the other a Civil Rights Violation Case. Per CNN The requirements for these actions are as follows.

A civil suit allows one party to seek monetary damages against another for causing physical or emotional harm, regardless of the outcome of a criminal trial. Wrongful death is easier to prove than murder or manslaughter. A defendant can be held liable, even if he or she didn't intend to cause the victim's death, according to Florida law. Simple negligence is enough, if it results in death.

A civil rights suit involves criminal charges for violating someone's civil rights, which are protected under federal law. The NAACP is pushing the U.S. Department of Justice to file a civil rights suit. NAACP President Benjamin Jealous told CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday that remarks made by Zimmerman and people who live in his Sanford, Florida, neighborhood had sparked the group's concern.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/president-obama-addresses-george-zimmerman-1240 35806.html

A civil rights case must show Direct intentional violence motivated by race. Matthew Sheppard act.

http://news.yahoo.com/members-congress-call-action-zimmerman-verdict-082858 909.html
George Stephanopoulos

At this time the best advice seems to be coming from Trayvon Aunt, Miriam Martin who says "ďPlease, no violence. We don't want any violence. None," . This sentiment was echoed by
Miami Heat player James Jones. The ad's theme is "Raise Your Voice, Not Your Hands.Ē

Other political figures and celebrities have had other ideas.

"If it's a moment, we go home. If it's a movement, we go to war," says Jackson.

Elijah E Cummings said ďturn you pain into passion and your passion into purposeĒ.

Rep Steve Cohen: We can move from anger to action. Ask the DOJ to pursue federal civil rights charges.

Rep Evan McMorris Santoro said his GP had spoken to Senior Members of the DOJ regarding federal civil rights charges. Also on CNN Sunday, Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said that "I think it's right to ask the Justice Department to fully, fully pursue civil rights violation...to lead to a consquence of charges if necessary." On the same show,

Rep. Chakah Fattah (D-Penn.) particularly lamented the fact that George Zimmerman will get his gun back. And he was worried about the standard that the verdict will set: "If someone tells you not to follow a kid, then you follow him, and you get out of your car, and you shoot him and you kill him, then that's okay."

http://news.yahoo.com/members-congress-call-action-zimmerman-verdict-082858 909.html

So where do we go from here? First let's look at a few things for some clarity.


[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 01:06 PM
THE FACTS:

Where Zimmerman was wrong:
He was told by police not to follow Trayvon. He should have waited for a police cruiser, but by his own 911 taped phone call, he believed the suspect would get away by the time the police came.

What did Zimmerman mean by ďthese azzholes always get away with it?Ē He did NOT mention race on his call to 911?

April 6: New analysis of calls to police made by George Zimmerman show a man who never offered up race as a descriptor of suspicious people in the neighborhood watch area until being prompted by a dispatcher. He may have been referring to kids with hooded jackets out late at night walking in the neighborhood.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/trayvon-martin-case-timeline- of-events/

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000 239#.T3DvP2Egdj0

http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborhood-watch-shooting-trayvon-martin-probe-r eveals-questionable/story?id=15907136

Why he followed him:
As a neighborhood watch commander, he was aware of prior burglaries in his complex in the recent month by black youths. Trayvon was a black youth in his neighborhood after 10:30 pm at night, which is a time most people who live in the complex are already in their homes.

Where Trayvon Martin was wrong:
When confronted by Zimmerman, he could have:

1) Just ignored him.

2) He could have told him he was staying at his Fatherís girlfriendís apt. (Zimmerman could have confirmed that by making a call to the girlfriendís apt) or he could have just kept walking away.

At some point, he engaged in a discussion with him resulting in the altercation that followed. It was the substance of that verbal exchange that escalated into the violent act where Trayvon punched Zimmeran in the nose, knocking him to the ground.

Trayvon did not offer up any information to quell Zimmerman's concerns/fears. Police were already on route, if there had been a civil discussion, nothing would have happened. The police arrived 1 minute after the shooting.

It could have ended peacefully. Why didn't it?

[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 01:08 PM
Why Trayvon did not answer Zimmermanís question as to why he was in that neighborhood?

His prior experience with authority figures was that he had been in trouble. He had been suspended from school. He had prior experience and involvement in fights. This info. was from his own cell phone texts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/george-zimmerman-trial-civil-unres t-verdict_n_3578854.html

ABC News also confirms that Trayvon Martin was suspended from school three times. (Krop High School in Miami) One of the suspensions involved graffiti. When a school guard looked through Martinsí backpack he found items of womenís jewelry and what was called a ďburglary implement,Ē according to the Miami Herald. Martin denies he stole. No charges were pressed, police never followed up, the paper reported.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000 239#.T3DvP2Egdj0

You can call it cultural conditioning, black people have always felt that they are being profiled and treated badly by white people. This is the mindset particularly of black youths because this is what they learn as they grow up. This is what they see in the communities they live in which are rife with pain, poverty, violence. They use violence to solve their internal disputes within their communities because if they call the police they do not believe they will get fair treatment or an amicable resolution to their problems. That coupled with his own experience, being suspended from school (trouble with authority figures) led to his reaction.

Even though Zimmerman weighed 100 pounds more than Trayvon, Trayvon had him on the ground and was on top of him beating him. Trayvon had prior skills in fighting, as evidenced by his own cell phone texts. He was 6 foot 3 inches wearing a black hooded jacket.

 

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Whose voice was it on the tape, the once screaming?

George Zimmermanís friend, Frank Taafe, a black man, said it was Zimmerman. AND that Zimmerman cried for days after the shooting.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-killing-friend-howls-911-tapes-belo ng/story?id=15994640#.T3B492FulZ8

March 26: George Zimmerman originally told police in a written statement that Trayvon Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source tells ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-shooter-teenager-gun/story?id=16000 239#.T3DvP2Egdj0

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/trayvon-martin-case-timeline- of-events/

In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.

REMARK: Gee if George was a racist, how is it that he had a black friend, that he reached out asking for help? Because he was not and is not a racist.

[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 01:12 PM
THINGS THAT WERE NOT ABLE TO RELEASED IN THE TRIAL

http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/trayvon-martins-texts-photos-released-5177 91467

Photo 21 back of Zimmermanís head

Photo 32 Trayvon in the convenience store buying his Ice Tea and Skittles

Photo 48 Shows Zimmermanís face on the night of the shooting. Notice broken nose.

Photo 55 Trayvon from his own Cellphone pictures.

Photo 56 Trayvon with his Glock gun from his cell phone

Photo 58 Trayvon you can see gold dental work in his front teeth, meaning perhaps some were knocked out and replaced by a bridge, meaning prior violent struggle encounters.

Photo 59 Trayvon hand gestures saying Eff You.

Photo 60 Past fighting, school suspensions, photos and text messages are ruled inadmissable in the case. Could prejudice the jury to know what Trayvon did in the past.

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10012917.html
crime scene photos

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/2513461/

http://www.usatoday.com/media/cinematic/video/2504087/

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-10012917-8.html



[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

 

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WHY THE PROSECUTION LOST THEIR CASE:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/george-zimmerman-trial-civil-unres t-verdict_n_3578854.html

The prosecution failed to convince the jury that Zimmerman had ďa depraved mind without regard for human lifeĒ when he shot Martin, which was required for second-degree murder. A lesser manslaughter conviction could have been handed down if the jury believed Zimmerman had no lawful reason to kill Martin, even if he bore Martin no ill will. The law says if Zimmerman had a ďreasonableĒ belief that his own life was in jeopardy or that he could suffer bodily harm from Martin, he was justified in killing him.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 01:38 PM
There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 04:08 PM
quote:
There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]




People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 04:31 PM
Tell them Gina...

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 05:06 PM
Seems the only one interested in Gina's analysis is Gina.

 

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 07:56 PM
Well this time Gina happens to be right.......Did I just say that

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  posted on 7/14/2013 at 09:11 PM
quote:
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There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]




People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'



Whoa, that was a totally uncool statement there love lead. We've actually seen the "real Gina" for quite some time.
Her post follows exactly what went on in the trial.
No evidence was presented that showed Zimmerman was doing anything racist. Nothing was presented that convinced the jury that Zimmerman committed murder, or even manslaughter.
You are just knee-jerking to get responses, so here you go.

Love lead, you are a race baiting, knee-jerk, non-speller, who cannot comprehend facts when presented to you, but want to gain your "moment of fame" by presenting posts with slanderous, malicious, and libelous comments. It is possible that your constant missives will cause you to be banned from the web site. I also believe that you have been banned before under a different name, for some of the same reasons.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 01:14 AM
When Martin asked Zimmerman why he was following him why didn't Zimmerman just say, I'm with neighborhood watch just checking on things. No, he said he didn't answer him because he was afraid. Afraid of what...that he'd be hit with a bag of Skittles? Nope, he was afraid of a taller than him black kid. If that's not profiling because of race I don't know what is.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 08:05 AM
quote:
quote:
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There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]




People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'



Whoa, that was a totally uncool statement there love lead. We've actually seen the "real Gina" for quite some time.
Her post follows exactly what went on in the trial.
No evidence was presented that showed Zimmerman was doing anything racist. Nothing was presented that convinced the jury that Zimmerman committed murder, or even manslaughter.
You are just knee-jerking to get responses, so here you go.

Love lead, you are a race baiting, knee-jerk, non-speller, who cannot comprehend facts when presented to you, but want to gain your "moment of fame" by presenting posts with slanderous, malicious, and libelous comments. It is possible that your constant missives will cause you to be banned from the web site. I also believe that you have been banned
before under a different name, for some of the same reasons.


A "non-speller" ? My spelling is just as good as the rest of you and better than many of you. Maybe a typo. here and there I admit. As far as race baiting goes that is nonsense. There are plenty of racists on this forum and I call them out for what they are and could care less if you like it. They spew their hatred and I point it out.

I have never been banned on this forum or used a different name. Sorry but you can take your witch hunt elsewhere.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 08:22 AM
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A "non-speller" ? My spelling is just as good as the rest of you and better than many of you. Maybe a typo. here and there I admit. As far as race baiting goes that is nonsense. There are plenty of racists on this forum and I call them out for what they are and could care less if you like it. They spew their hatred and I point it out.

I have never been banned on this forum or used a different name. Sorry but you can take your witch hunt elsewhere.



1) Get a spellchecker. It works through your browser and highlights words misspelled and right clicking on it gives you the correct spelling.
2) What hatred are you talking about?
3) How do you define who is a racist, and who isn't? Your "pointing out" seems to follow no reasonable pattern, other than you just spewing your own brand of hatred.
4) If you haven't been banned before you sure have learned your posting techniques from someone who has.
Not a witch hunt, just "pointing it out".

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 06:40 PM
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There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]




People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'




My opinion of you is less than yours of me. You're an abusive man. The case is real simple, Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch commander who saw someone who did not live in his community. The recent burglaries in the neighborhood were committed by young black men. He sees a young black man who does not live in his community and asks him what he is doing there. He did not ask because the man was black, he asked because he fit th description of others who recently committed crimes in the neighborhood of which he had knowledge.

As I pointed out, if he was a racist, he would not have called his friend who was black, Frank Taafe, because if he was racist he would not have any black friends.

The next point is Trayvon's recent troubles with school. The links are there for anyone to check the kid's own phone photos of himself and you can't hide the facts that he was suspended for graffiti (a gang punk thug recreational pasttime, having women's jewelry and a 'burglary' implement in his knapsack in his school locker). What kind of character is that? You just don't want to admit when you are proven wrong, because it makes you look stupid. You believed the media hype of an 8 year old kid in a white hooded jacket.

My anti American sentiments? Do you think it is American to invade and colonize other countries? That is not an American value, that is an imperialist value and agenda. Our forefathers did not come here to nationbuild anyplace else. They came to get away from oppression and build one country. Others have decided we should go and rule the world. The agenda of the NWO is not American.

Did you like his Glock? Are those standard issue to students in High School? Where's that Glock at? Maybe while DOJ is looking into things, ATF can find out if it is legally registered to anyone at his former home residence or the place he was staying? If not, then he had it for a reason, women's jewelry in his school locker in HIS knapsack, burglary implement there too, and a Glock. All coincidence? Those are facts you refuse to acknowledge.


[Edited on 7/16/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 06:57 PM
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When Martin asked Zimmerman why he was following him why didn't Zimmerman just say, I'm with neighborhood watch just checking on things. No, he said he didn't answer him because he was afraid. Afraid of what...that he'd be hit with a bag of Skittles? Nope, he was afraid of a taller than him black kid. If that's not profiling because of race I don't know what is.



Agreed, he should have said he was with the neighborhood watch, then Trayvon could have said he was staying with his Dad. The reports say that he had the can of ice tea in the front pocket of his jacket. It had to look like a bulge. It could've been a weapon. You do have a point though, if he was afraid of him, why was he questioning him in the first place? He should have waited for the police.

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 07:42 PM
quote:
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There are many issues in this case.

Why did the media continually show pictures of an 8 year old Trayvon Martin in a white hooded sweatshirt, when he was NOT 8 years old at the time of this encounter, nor was he wearing a white sweatshirt?

To garner sympathy and portray Trayvon as a victim, when in reality, Trayvon from his pattern of behavior, had used graffiti, had a Glock handgun, was thrown out of school for having burglary tools and womenís jewelry in a knapsack in his locker and for being involved in graffiti (used by gang members to claim their turf) at the school, which was in Miami, a town known not just for hot women in South Beach, but also for gangs, and drugs in Coral Gables and elsewhere.

Why didnít they allow an honest inquiry into his mode of living?

Because the things he was involved in would lead a jury to believe he was a young punk, thug. So they hid that information and bombarded the news media with pictures of him as an 8 year old boy in a white hooded t-shirt, the victim of some wannabe cop. They didnít hide Zimmermanís background, only Trayvonís. What equality is that?

There was no wrestling or grappling when Mr. Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. He did not resist to the point where there was a wrestling match. Was he in shock, terrorized because someone was on top of him, beating him? Many people in situations of violence freeze at the time of their assault. This could explain that. He had just been punched in the nose which knocked him to the ground, he had to have been starteled. Still his deep religious convictions prevailed. He was opposed to killing people, but realized his own life was in jeopardy, either by what was said to him while he was getting beaten, or by the beating itself and knew if he did not shoot his aggressor, he himself could die there.

If race or racial hatred motivated him, why did he only fire one shot?

Because race did not motivate him, he had no racial hatred, all he wanted was this person to stop beating him and the only way to make that happen was to use his gun.

If anyone wants to make the case for racial hatred, they should look at Trayvonís actions, he responded with violence when a white man asked him why he was in that neighborhood, as Mr. Zimmerman, Captain of the Neighborhood Watch Patrol did not recognize him as a neighborhood resident. Trayvon was fighting Ďagainst the maní.

If Zimmerman had been a black man, would Trayvon have reacted the same way?

If Trayvon had been a white kid, would Zimmerman have reacted the same way that HE did?
I think Zimmerman would have.




[Edited on 7/14/2013 by gina]




People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'




My opinion of you is less than yours of me. You're an abusive man. The case is real simple, Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch commander who saw someone who did not live in his community. The recent burglaries in the neighborhood were committed by young black men. He sees a young black man who does not live in his community and asks him what he is doing there. He did not ask because the man was black, he asked because he fit th description of others who recently committed crimes in the neighborhood of which he had knowledge.

As I pointed out, if he was a racist, he would not have called his friend who was black, Frank Taafe, because if he was racist he would not have any black friends.

The next point is Trayvon's recent troubles with school. The links are there for anyone to check the kid's own phone photos of himself and you can't hide the facts that he was suspended for graffiti (a gang punk thug recreational pasttime, having women's jewelry and a 'burglary' implement in his knapsack in his school locker). What kind of character is that? You just don't want to admit when you are proven wrong, because it makes you look stupid. You believed the media hype of an 8 year old kid in a white hooded jacket.

My anti American sentiments? Do you think it is American to invade and colonize other countries? That is not an American value, that is an imperialist value and agenda. Our forefathers did not come here to nationbuild anyplace else. They came to get away from oppression and build one country. Others have decided we should go and rule the world. The agenda of the NWO is not American.

Did you like his Glock? Are those standard issue to students in High School? Where's that Glock at? Maybe while DOJ is looking into things, ATF can find out if it is legally registered to anyone at his former home residence or the place he was staying? If not, then he had it for a reason, women's jewelry in his school locker in HIS knapsack, burglary implement there too, and a Glock. All coincidence? Those are facts you refuse to acknowledge.


[Edited on 7/16/2013 by gina]


Try this again Gina and read it slowly. Maybe that will help.


People have always tolerated your idiotic, anti-American, attention grabbing conspiracy threads for the nonsense they are. However your replies in this thread have finally exposed you for what you are. A leopard can't hide his/her spots. All you are is a racist pig who is fairly good at typing. Now the whole forum got to see the real Gina. From now on whenever you are typing out a new thread remember to say to yourself, 'I outed myself and nobody cares what I have to say and they don't respect me'

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 07:43 PM
Spot on Gina!
You are hittin the note^+^

Zimmerman afraid of bein hit with a bag of skittles?lmao
More like afraid of a havin the fu*k knocked out of him by a seasoned street fighter(which has been proven,check it out),filled with an attitude,criminal history of burglaries(that also is true,check it out)cocky,over 6 ft tall 17 yr old young man(not a child and almost an adult by law)loud mouthy punk.
Please get off this poor little child named Trayvon,runnin scared, just tryin to get home with his skittles and fruit punch.

[Edited on 7/16/2013 by LUKE]

 

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  posted on 7/15/2013 at 07:59 PM
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Spot on Gina!
You are hittin the note^+^

Zimmerman afraid of bein hit with a bag of skittles?lmao
More like afraid of a havin the fu*k knocked out of him by a seasoned street fighter(which has been proven,check it out),filled with an attitude,criminal history of burglaries(that also is true,check it out)cocky,over 6 ft tall 17 yr old young man(not a child and almost an adult by law)loud mouthy punk.
Please get off this poor little child named Trayvon,runnin scared, just tryin to get home with his skittles and fruit punch.

[Edited on 7/16/2013 by LUKE]


Figures which side Luke would come down on. Him and Gina are like two birds from the same nest.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 07:37 PM
That's right sixty eight, Free Birds!

 

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