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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 08:01 AM
People of color (and some whites) are protesting for a very simple reason.

America is a disgustingly racist country against people of color and they know it.

White people think because you can't own slaves, blacks can vote and because they actually have a black friend that all is well in this country.

It is not. It is just under cover. This country is still loaded with crackers. Just last week I heard a U.P.S. driver tell a joke using the 'n' word to about six white workers at a loading dock and they all broke out laughing.

None of them knew I was just a few feet around the bend. As soon as they saw me they all went silent. I told them they were sick. I reported them to the store manager and I reported the driver to U.P.S.

Most advances for people of color in this country came about because of protest and people fighting for them. Not because white people cared a lick. Most (not all) white people pay lip service when it comes to accepting blacks.

They say things like, 'Look at all the changes down south! There are even black mayors in a lot of the big cities'


This country has a long, long way to go and people of color know it.



 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 08:10 AM
Some Black people are protesting the Zimmerman case beacuse they did not believe in the verdict.

Some are not.
Some think the verdict was right.
Some do not.

Some people , White, Black, Bue, Green, whatever think the verdict was right.

Some people White, Black, Green, Pink, whatever think the verdict was wrong.

We always have to use the word, "some.'


Racism, sexism, neoptism, prejudices against ethnic groups, those of differetn religions like Catholics, all of it, will always be here. That is not PC, but it is real.
One cannot make another accept who they do not want and that is ok.
Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others .

Gays should not marry you think, well then, do not marry someone who is gay.
Abortion is not right and should not be done, well then, simply do not have this medical procedurce done to yourself.

And so forth.
There lies the problem.

 

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Some Black people are protesting the Zimmerman case beacuse they did not believe in the verdict.

Some are not.
Some think the verdict was right.
Some do not.

Some people , White, Black, Bue, Green, whatever think the verdict was right.

Some people White, Black, Green, Pink, whatever think the verdict was wrong.

We always have to use the word, "some.'


Racism, sexism, neoptism, prejudices against ethnic groups, those of differetn religions like Catholics, all of it, will always be here. That is not PC, but it is real.
One cannot make another accept who they do not want and that is ok.
Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others .

Gays should not marry you think, well then, do not marry someone who is gay.
Abortion is not right and should not be done, well then, simply do not have this medical procedurce done to yourself.

And so forth.
There lies the problem.


"Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others ."

Can't be stated any better than that.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 09:09 AM
How many threads do we need about this trial? Seriously.

It is one trial. One of hundreds if not thousands of trials that take place in this country every day. EVERY FREAKIN' DAY. The verdict does not represent or reflect anything more than the facts of this case and how they were presented to and interpreted by this particular jury. It does not represent the status of race relations in this country, although the completely overblown coverage and resulting reaction to it probably does, nor does it represent the US justice system as a whole. But it would seem this community has been sucked in along with everyone else. <sigh>


[Edited on 7/16/2013 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 09:14 AM
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Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others

Self defense is also a right. One of the most basic and long standing.

None of us were there. No witnesses saw what occurred. Like or dislike the outcome, a jury - who saw and considered what evidence there was - acquitted him based on our laws and our process.

That process is something that needs to be respected. It could just as easily save you from unreasonable charges. A good friend was recently convicted of something he did not do, but couldn't prove otherwise, all based on an officer's word. And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken.

The system is set up protect those for whom clear, unimpeachable proof of wrongdoing is not in evidence. Far better that it work that way than any other.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 09:16 AM
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How many threads do we need about this trial? Seriously.

It is one trial. One of hundreds if not thousands of trials that take place in this country every day. EVERY FREAKIN' DAY. The verdict does not represent or reflect anything more than the facts of this case and how they were presented to and interpreted by this particular jury. It does not represent the status of race relations in this country, although the completely overblown coverage and resulting reaction to it probably does, nor does it represent the US justice system as a whole. But it would seem this community has been sucked in along with everyone else. <sigh>


[Edited on 7/16/2013 by gondicar]


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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 09:25 AM
I agree godnicar.
We here are sort of branching off in other subjects from it ...still about that.
I get what you are saying.

Thanks lovelead.

I sort of agree with Fuj.
Too bad about your frined.
Yes, self-defense is a right too.
You were not there to know if was self defense no more than I was. No one was there.

It is over . It is done no matter thought the verdict should go. NG. G


I left post before it has become a circus. Every clown wants a part in the circus.



[Edited on 7/16/2013 by SGirl]

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 09:59 AM
The United States is the most diverse and tolerant nation on Earth and I know better than you lovelead!

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 10:29 AM
The FBI investigation turned up no evidence that race played a factor in the case, but never mind that. I believe lovelead and Al Sharpton.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 10:40 AM
lovelead,

This will probably go over your head, but calling someone a "cracker" is just as racist and condescending as calling someone a "nigger". Remember, when you point your finger as someone, three fingers are pointing back at you. Beyond that, I'm in agreement with Fujirich.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 11:22 AM
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Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others

Self defense is also a right. One of the most basic and long standing.

None of us were there. No witnesses saw what occurred. Like or dislike the outcome, a jury - who saw and considered what evidence there was - acquitted him based on our laws and our process.

That process is something that needs to be respected. It could just as easily save you from unreasonable charges. A good friend was recently convicted of something he did not do, but couldn't prove otherwise, all based on an officer's word. And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken.

The system is set up protect those for whom clear, unimpeachable proof of wrongdoing is not in evidence. Far better that it work that way than any other.


So the system works, or it doesn't work, or it's inconsistent?

It worked for Zimmerman but not for your good friend?

Re: your quote "And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken." I don't guess the same can be said of Zimmerman?

Quite frankly, we don't know that the jury acquited based upon laws & process, do we? Since none of us were present in the jury room to observe the dynamics, individual juror logic, levels of intelligence, emotion, rationalization, preconceived notions, understanding of the law, regard or disregard for evidence & instructions, etc., then it is hard to say.


 

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lovelead,

This will probably go over your head, but calling someone a "cracker" is just as racist and condescending as calling someone a "nigger". Remember, when you point your finger as someone, three fingers are pointing back at you. Beyond that, I'm in agreement with Fujirich.


sibwlkr,

This will probably go over your head, but you are clueless.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 11:35 AM
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This country is still loaded with crackers.


Yeah, right. It's only OK for a black man to call names, right? And no, I don't believe it's OK for white guys to be going around telling racist jokes. But you just put yourself right in their category.

[Edited on 7/16/2013 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 11:43 AM
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lovelead,

This will probably go over your head, but calling someone a "cracker" is just as racist and condescending as calling someone a "nigger". Remember, when you point your finger as someone, three fingers are pointing back at you. Beyond that, I'm in agreement with Fujirich.


sibwlkr,

This will probably go over your head, but you are clueless.


Can you explain what you mean? Because while I might agree with you when it comes to much of what sibwlkr posts, this time he seems to be hitting the nail on the head.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(pejorative)

[Edited on 7/16/2013 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 12:08 PM
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Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others

Self defense is also a right. One of the most basic and long standing.

None of us were there. No witnesses saw what occurred. Like or dislike the outcome, a jury - who saw and considered what evidence there was - acquitted him based on our laws and our process.

That process is something that needs to be respected. It could just as easily save you from unreasonable charges. A good friend was recently convicted of something he did not do, but couldn't prove otherwise, all based on an officer's word. And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken.

The system is set up protect those for whom clear, unimpeachable proof of wrongdoing is not in evidence. Far better that it work that way than any other.


So the system works, or it doesn't work, or it's inconsistent?

It worked for Zimmerman but not for your good friend?

Re: your quote "And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken." I don't guess the same can be said of Zimmerman?

Quite frankly, we don't know that the jury acquited based upon laws & process, do we? Since none of us were present in the jury room to observe the dynamics, individual juror logic, levels of intelligence, emotion, rationalization, preconceived notions, understanding of the law, regard or disregard for evidence & instructions, etc., then it is hard to say.

I'd say it's inconsistent, but more set up to not convict unless very solid proof of guilt is evident. And I think that's the way it should be. Nothing will ever be 100% perfect.

But the thread is about why the protests are taking place, and frankly I don't understand the actions of any people who get upset about something and then set about destroying their own city. They continue to perform to the worst expectations and hurt mainly themselves, egged on by race pimps like Sharpton, who's record of wrong positions on events never seems to stop people from being influenced by him.

If they had followed all the proceedings, this outcome was a high probability from the start. At the same time, they kills dozens of themselves every week in cities around the country, and none of their 'leaders' have any thoughts of how to help that, other than gov't giving them more money. The outrage and the protests are wrong on almost every level.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 12:44 PM

Informing on someone after eavesdropping on their private conversation. Welcome to 1984. You should get a job as an NSA goon.

However much I respect your sentiments, and agree 100%, this was a personal gripe between you and another individual, telling him he was sick was fine. Or you could have engaged in further dialogue, maybe he would have had a glimpse of another outlook. You probably cost him his job. Or all of them. That isn't going to cure their racism, it will harden it. Just had to run to Big Brother and snitch, didn't you?

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 12:52 PM
Eh, given the way he posts, I question that the events even took place.

Just too convenient to mention it today.

Feed the troll.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:06 PM
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Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others

Self defense is also a right. One of the most basic and long standing.

None of us were there. No witnesses saw what occurred. Like or dislike the outcome, a jury - who saw and considered what evidence there was - acquitted him based on our laws and our process.

That process is something that needs to be respected. It could just as easily save you from unreasonable charges. A good friend was recently convicted of something he did not do, but couldn't prove otherwise, all based on an officer's word. And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken.

The system is set up protect those for whom clear, unimpeachable proof of wrongdoing is not in evidence. Far better that it work that way than any other.


So the system works, or it doesn't work, or it's inconsistent?

It worked for Zimmerman but not for your good friend?

Re: your quote "And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken." I don't guess the same can be said of Zimmerman?

Quite frankly, we don't know that the jury acquited based upon laws & process, do we? Since none of us were present in the jury room to observe the dynamics, individual juror logic, levels of intelligence, emotion, rationalization, preconceived notions, understanding of the law, regard or disregard for evidence & instructions, etc., then it is hard to say.

I'd say it's inconsistent, but more set up to not convict unless very solid proof of guilt is evident. And I think that's the way it should be. Nothing will ever be 100% perfect.

But the thread is about why the protests are taking place, and frankly I don't understand the actions of any people who get upset about something and then set about destroying their own city. They continue to perform to the worst expectations and hurt mainly themselves, egged on by race pimps like Sharpton, who's record of wrong positions on events never seems to stop people from being influenced by him.

If they had followed all the proceedings, this outcome was a high probability from the start. At the same time, they kills dozens of themselves every week in cities around the country, and none of their 'leaders' have any thoughts of how to help that, other than gov't giving them more money. The outrage and the protests are wrong on almost every level.


Who are ripping up there towns over the decision??? I have seen nothing but peaceful protests which is perfectly fine. They have every right. Don't know where you got that from. Maybe you are listening to Luke, one of the morons in the WP who constantly fabricate conspiracy theories. Where are all of the Black Panthers that he said were flooding into Florida to hold violent demonstrations. He claimed it was organized by Obama. LMFAO!!!!! Talk about lunacy!!!!!!!! People have the right to peacefully protest whenever they feel like it. I hope these protests keep going on relentlessly especially if people figure out where Zimmerman lives. He caused it and he can deal with it. Hopefully through these protests they pass some new laws in Florida whether it be changing or altering the stand your ground law or making some new community watch laws so that another over zealous cop wannabe neighborhood watchman never stalks an innocent kid ever again.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:15 PM
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Informing on someone after eavesdropping on their private conversation. Welcome to 1984. You should get a job as an NSA goon.

However much I respect your sentiments, and agree 100%, this was a personal gripe between you and another individual, telling him he was sick was fine. Or you could have engaged in further dialogue, maybe he would have had a glimpse of another outlook. You probably cost him his job. Or all of them. That isn't going to cure their racism, it will harden it. Just had to run to Big Brother and snitch, didn't you?

The perfect citizen (PC) in the new surveillance-informer society. Just wait until someone like you catches you out on one of your imperfections.


The guy who told the joke deserves to lose his job or be warned that any further such jokes will lead him to lose his job. I don't think they could fire the ones who just laughed even though they are morons for laughing about it. I wish more people would have the balls to react that way and inform their bosses that they are employing bigots. They wanna openly display their prejudice they can go do it at a different work place. Otherwise they should keep their filthy traps shut at work when it comes to racially prejudiced comments or jokes. If they get canned and don't get the point and become more prejudiced then it only shows that they are more stupid then they were to begin with.

 

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Problem is when one wants to stop, infringe , the rights of others

Self defense is also a right. One of the most basic and long standing.

None of us were there. No witnesses saw what occurred. Like or dislike the outcome, a jury - who saw and considered what evidence there was - acquitted him based on our laws and our process.

That process is something that needs to be respected. It could just as easily save you from unreasonable charges. A good friend was recently convicted of something he did not do, but couldn't prove otherwise, all based on an officer's word. And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken.

The system is set up protect those for whom clear, unimpeachable proof of wrongdoing is not in evidence. Far better that it work that way than any other.


So the system works, or it doesn't work, or it's inconsistent?

It worked for Zimmerman but not for your good friend?

Re: your quote "And if you think law officers don't lie, you're sadly mistaken." I don't guess the same can be said of Zimmerman?

Quite frankly, we don't know that the jury acquited based upon laws & process, do we? Since none of us were present in the jury room to observe the dynamics, individual juror logic, levels of intelligence, emotion, rationalization, preconceived notions, understanding of the law, regard or disregard for evidence & instructions, etc., then it is hard to say.

I'd say it's inconsistent, but more set up to not convict unless very solid proof of guilt is evident. And I think that's the way it should be. Nothing will ever be 100% perfect.

But the thread is about why the protests are taking place, and frankly I don't understand the actions of any people who get upset about something and then set about destroying their own city. They continue to perform to the worst expectations and hurt mainly themselves, egged on by race pimps like Sharpton, who's record of wrong positions on events never seems to stop people from being influenced by him.

If they had followed all the proceedings, this outcome was a high probability from the start. At the same time, they kills dozens of themselves every week in cities around the country, and none of their 'leaders' have any thoughts of how to help that, other than gov't giving them more money. The outrage and the protests are wrong on almost every level.


Who are ripping up there towns over the decision??? I have seen nothing but peaceful protests which is perfectly fine. They have every right. Don't know where you got that from. Maybe you are listening to Luke, one of the morons in the WP who constantly fabricate conspiracy theories. Where are all of the Black Panthers that he said were flooding into Florida to hold violent demonstrations. He claimed it was organized by Obama. LMFAO!!!!! Talk about lunacy!!!!!!!! People have the right to peacefully protest whenever they feel like it. I hope these protests keep going on relentlessly especially if people figure out where Zimmerman lives. He caused it and he can deal with it. Hopefully through these protests they pass some new laws in Florida whether it be changing or altering the stand your ground law or making some new community watch laws so that another over zealous cop wannabe neighborhood watchman never stalks an innocent kid ever again.


There have been reports of violence against white people and vandalism, though thankfully it doesn't seem to be widespread.

Outlaw all neighborhood watchmen.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:20 PM

OK, let's all be honest then, anything you ever deserved to lose your job over?

Sorry, this wasn't a coworker complaining, this was citizen informing on another to a higher authority rather than having the huevos to handle it personally.

 

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Informing on someone after eavesdropping on their private conversation. Welcome to 1984. You should get a job as an NSA goon.

However much I respect your sentiments, and agree 100%, this was a personal gripe between you and another individual, telling him he was sick was fine. Or you could have engaged in further dialogue, maybe he would have had a glimpse of another outlook. You probably cost him his job. Or all of them. That isn't going to cure their racism, it will harden it. Just had to run to Big Brother and snitch, didn't you?

The perfect citizen (PC) in the new surveillance-informer society. Just wait until someone like you catches you out on one of your imperfections.


The guy who told the joke deserves to lose his job or be warned that any further such jokes will lead him to lose his job. I don't think they could fire the ones who just laughed even though they are morons for laughing about it. I wish more people would have the balls to react that way and inform their bosses that they are employing bigots. They wanna openly display their prejudice they can go do it at a different work place. Otherwise they should keep their filthy traps shut at work when it comes to racially prejudiced comments or jokes. If they get canned and don't get the point and become more prejudiced then it only shows that they are more stupid then they were to begin with.


Such actions by co-workers could be carried out just because there is some grudge to be carried out. Such allegations must be corroborrated. Just as in cases where a person is wrongly accused of child abuse in a nasty divorce, and that happens all the time.

The race card is being pulled so much these days that it will eventually have zero efficacy.

 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:26 PM
hey alan, how about an exploding outhouse, for old times sake?
 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:33 PM
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hey alan, how about an exploding outhouse, for old times sake?


 

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  posted on 7/16/2013 at 01:34 PM
It's a port-o-let, but it's still pretty spectacular!

 

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