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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 09:41 AM
The 6 Decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's Life.

By Ryan Grim

It's impossible to know whether it was Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman who threw the first punch in the confrontation that ended Martin’s life. The jury apparently relied on that ambiguity to acquit Zimmerman of murdering Martin, because he said he killed the 17-year-old in self defense. But despite the confusion, there are plenty of facts that both sides can agree on. While Zimmerman may have been found not guilty, that doesn't mean he wasn't responsible. Trayvon Martin would be alive today, but for at least six decisions made or not made by Zimmerman and the state of Florida.


1. Zimmerman could have decided not to follow Martin.
For starters, George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official trained in spotting suspicious or criminal behavior. Zimmerman told a 911 operator that Martin seemed suspicious and appeared to be "on drugs or something. It's raining and he’s just walking around, looking about." It was not 3 a.m. when Zimmerman spotted Martin. Rather, it was early evening, a time when people typically "walk around, looking about." Had Zimmerman simply gone about his business, we never would have heard about either of them.


2. Zimmerman could have listened to the 911 operator and not followed Martin.
Talking to an operator, Zimmerman complained, "These **** s, they always get away." He later narrated, "Shit, he's running.”

"Are you following him?" the operator asked.

Zimmerman confirmed he was. "Ok, we don't need you to do that," the operator told him. If Zimmerman had simply let Martin run away, he'd be alive today. Martin, it later emerged, found Zimmerman as deeply suspicious as Zimmerman found him. Only one of those judgments turned out to be correct.


3. If Zimmerman had not been secretly armed, he probably wouldn't have followed Martin.
Zimmerman knew that he had an advantage in any possible confrontation with a neighbor: He was concealing a weapon. If a fight started, and Zimmerman began losing, he could pull out the gun and shoot his opponent. The state of Florida allows Zimmerman to patrol his neighborhood armed, which emboldened him.


4. If Zimmerman's weapon had not been hidden, Martin probably would have dealt with him differently.
When a man follows another, tensions rise. One way or another, those tensions led to a physical confrontation. But if Florida law barred concealed carry, Martin would have been able to see that Zimmerman was armed. Zimmerman defenders suspect Martin threw the first punch. But even if that's true, would he have done so if he knew Zimmerman was carrying a loaded weapon?


5. Zimmerman could have been barred from carrying a weapon.
Zimmerman had a long history of violence, including a restraining order for domestic violence, felony charges of resisting arrest, and assaulting an officer (the charge was pled down to a misdemeanor and then closed; Zimmerman's dad was a magistrate at the time). He was bounced from a job as a bouncer for being too aggressive with patrons, the New York Daily News reported. And a family member accused him of a pattern of sexual molestation. He wasn't convicted of any felony charges, which could have barred him from a gun license, but in some societies, people would determine that such a history makes someone less than an ideal candidate for the right to carry around a hidden loaded weapon.


6. Zimmerman could have not shot and killed Martin.
Regardless of who threw the first punch, a series of aggressive decisions by Zimmerman led toward the fight that broke out. Zimmerman therefore bears some responsibility for the altercation. If one starts a fight and loses, the result is generally a bloody nose, a fat lip, a black eye, a concussion or even a broken bone. That's the price one pays for getting into a fight, and it tends to be a deterrent to starting a fight. Zimmerman could have chosen to take his lumps and rethink the decisions he had made that landed him where he was. Instead, he pulled out his gun, squeezed the trigger and killed Trayvon Martin.


Of course, there's a seventh decision that could have been made that night -- Trayvon Martin could have chosen to not defend himself.

It's important to note that the jury's verdict sends a message to anyone confronted or pursued by another man: If you engage the confrontation, even an act of self defense could be used as justification to shoot and kill you. What led up to the confrontation in the Martin-Zimmerman case was ruled irrelevant; only Zimmerman's state of mind at the time he shot him was to be taken into account by the jury. That doesn't leave someone being followed through their neighborhood many options other than fighting back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/6-decisions-trayvon_n_3600690.html ?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 10:10 AM
Wow. Lots of assumptions & misinformation in that one.

Zimmerman was going to the store, not patrolling his neighborhood.

He was not on the phone with 911. We have no idea to what degree or not that Zimmerman followed the non-911 dispatcher's instructions to not follow. Near the end of the call, GZ reports that TM is running, but it doesn't sound like directly to GZ. GZ said he did not go after him at the end of that call.

He would have no idea that he was the only one armed. If he thought TM was a potential robber, it's reasonable to believe that GZ thought TM could have been armed.

At the end of the dispatcher call, GZ made plans to meet the police when they arrived. The shooting occurred 4 minutes later. During that 4 minutes, are we to believe that he ran after TM and initiated a fight with a potentially armed person when the police were coming?

We do know that during that 4 minutes the State's eye witness closest to the scene put TM on top of GZ hitting him MMA style. He believed that GZ was yelling for help.

The author above assumes that TM was defending himself and not the initiator. That could be true I guess, but surely not definitive.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 10:39 AM
fnafrom, NO misinformation and assumptions in that one. NONE.
yeah, we can add:
1-Martin just should have ran and ran and never stopped.
2-Martin should hve ran screaming.
3-Sosme folks like this one. Martin should have answered Zimmerman. Laid down spread out , arms extended , face down until the police came .
4-Martin should have knelt down with hand behind his head until police came . See #3 and 4 all while Zimmerman watched over him at gunpoint.
5-When Martin and Zimmerna met, Martin should have not spoken to him, ran and not hit him.
6-Martin could have been shot in nthe back. Dead. Martin dead. Zimmerman in jail.
this circus would not have happened and that is till happening and I mean the media, Big O in TWH opening his pie hole, Holder, NAACP, riots by people who have nothing better to with themselves, etc. and on and on.

 

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I'm not sure I follow most of that SGirl.

I'm just stating that it seems unlikely, but yes possible, that Zimmerman would have been the aggressor against TM (who GZ would have no way of knowing if was armed) during that 4 minutes to the level that would have required what the witness saw TM doing to GZ...during a time when GZ knew the police were on their way.

 

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The 6 Decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's Life.

By Ryan Grim

It's impossible to know whether it was Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman who threw the first punch in the confrontation that ended Martin’s life. The jury apparently relied on that ambiguity to acquit Zimmerman of murdering Martin, because he said he killed the 17-year-old in self defense. But despite the confusion, there are plenty of facts that both sides can agree on. While Zimmerman may have been found not guilty, that doesn't mean he wasn't responsible. Trayvon Martin would be alive today, but for at least six decisions made or not made by Zimmerman and the state of Florida.


1. Zimmerman could have decided not to follow Martin.
For starters, George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official trained in spotting suspicious or criminal behavior. Zimmerman told a 911 operator that Martin seemed suspicious and appeared to be "on drugs or something. It's raining and he’s just walking around, looking about." It was not 3 a.m. when Zimmerman spotted Martin. Rather, it was early evening, a time when people typically "walk around, looking about." Had Zimmerman simply gone about his business, we never would have heard about either of them.


2. Zimmerman could have listened to the 911 operator and not followed Martin.
Talking to an operator, Zimmerman complained, "These **** s, they always get away." He later narrated, "Shit, he's running.”

"Are you following him?" the operator asked.

Zimmerman confirmed he was. "Ok, we don't need you to do that," the operator told him. If Zimmerman had simply let Martin run away, he'd be alive today. Martin, it later emerged, found Zimmerman as deeply suspicious as Zimmerman found him. Only one of those judgments turned out to be correct.


3. If Zimmerman had not been secretly armed, he probably wouldn't have followed Martin.
Zimmerman knew that he had an advantage in any possible confrontation with a neighbor: He was concealing a weapon. If a fight started, and Zimmerman began losing, he could pull out the gun and shoot his opponent. The state of Florida allows Zimmerman to patrol his neighborhood armed, which emboldened him.


4. If Zimmerman's weapon had not been hidden, Martin probably would have dealt with him differently.
When a man follows another, tensions rise. One way or another, those tensions led to a physical confrontation. But if Florida law barred concealed carry, Martin would have been able to see that Zimmerman was armed. Zimmerman defenders suspect Martin threw the first punch. But even if that's true, would he have done so if he knew Zimmerman was carrying a loaded weapon?


5. Zimmerman could have been barred from carrying a weapon.
Zimmerman had a long history of violence, including a restraining order for domestic violence, felony charges of resisting arrest, and assaulting an officer (the charge was pled down to a misdemeanor and then closed; Zimmerman's dad was a magistrate at the time). He was bounced from a job as a bouncer for being too aggressive with patrons, the New York Daily News reported. And a family member accused him of a pattern of sexual molestation. He wasn't convicted of any felony charges, which could have barred him from a gun license, but in some societies, people would determine that such a history makes someone less than an ideal candidate for the right to carry around a hidden loaded weapon.


6. Zimmerman could have not shot and killed Martin.
Regardless of who threw the first punch, a series of aggressive decisions by Zimmerman led toward the fight that broke out. Zimmerman therefore bears some responsibility for the altercation. If one starts a fight and loses, the result is generally a bloody nose, a fat lip, a black eye, a concussion or even a broken bone. That's the price one pays for getting into a fight, and it tends to be a deterrent to starting a fight. Zimmerman could have chosen to take his lumps and rethink the decisions he had made that landed him where he was. Instead, he pulled out his gun, squeezed the trigger and killed Trayvon Martin.


Of course, there's a seventh decision that could have been made that night -- Trayvon Martin could have chosen to not defend himself.

It's important to note that the jury's verdict sends a message to anyone confronted or pursued by another man: If you engage the confrontation, even an act of self defense could be used as justification to shoot and kill you. What led up to the confrontation in the Martin-Zimmerman case was ruled irrelevant; only Zimmerman's state of mind at the time he shot him was to be taken into account by the jury. That doesn't leave someone being followed through their neighborhood many options other than fighting back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/6-decisions-trayvon_n_3600690.html ?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

What part of..."Ok, we don't need you to do that," did he not get?!



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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 11:52 AM
So you are saying he was on patrol (not going to the store) and that he dialed 911?

 

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7) Zimmerman failed to identify himself as a neighborhood watchman amd instead acted like a night stalker.

 

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Wow....
 

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8. Zimmerman could have just stayed in his car the entire time and avoided a physical confrontation. Could have stayed in the car to make the call. Could have stayed in the car and driven to the next street sign to find the name of the street as he claims was the reason for getting out of the car. He could have stayed in the car and followed from a distance. He could have stayed in the car and driven up to Martin to politely ask him what he was doing again avoiding a physical confrontation. Zimmerman was supposed to be the 27 year old mature man yet he made all of these stupid common sense mistakes that led to that kid's death.

 

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If getting out of the car was against the law in Florida Zimmerman would have been toast!

 

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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?

 

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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?


Great points. Even then, we now have Treyvon backers that continue to say if someone is following you they deserve an ass beating!

 

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The 6 Decisions That Could Have Saved Trayvon Martin's Life.

By Ryan Grim

It's impossible to know whether it was Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman who threw the first punch in the confrontation that ended Martin’s life. The jury apparently relied on that ambiguity to acquit Zimmerman of murdering Martin, because he said he killed the 17-year-old in self defense. But despite the confusion, there are plenty of facts that both sides can agree on. While Zimmerman may have been found not guilty, that doesn't mean he wasn't responsible. Trayvon Martin would be alive today, but for at least six decisions made or not made by Zimmerman and the state of Florida.


1. Zimmerman could have decided not to follow Martin.
For starters, George Zimmerman is not a law enforcement official trained in spotting suspicious or criminal behavior. Zimmerman told a 911 operator that Martin seemed suspicious and appeared to be "on drugs or something. It's raining and he’s just walking around, looking about." It was not 3 a.m. when Zimmerman spotted Martin. Rather, it was early evening, a time when people typically "walk around, looking about." Had Zimmerman simply gone about his business, we never would have heard about either of them.


2. Zimmerman could have listened to the 911 operator and not followed Martin.
Talking to an operator, Zimmerman complained, "These **** s, they always get away." He later narrated, "Shit, he's running.”

"Are you following him?" the operator asked.

Zimmerman confirmed he was. "Ok, we don't need you to do that," the operator told him. If Zimmerman had simply let Martin run away, he'd be alive today. Martin, it later emerged, found Zimmerman as deeply suspicious as Zimmerman found him. Only one of those judgments turned out to be correct.


3. If Zimmerman had not been secretly armed, he probably wouldn't have followed Martin.
Zimmerman knew that he had an advantage in any possible confrontation with a neighbor: He was concealing a weapon. If a fight started, and Zimmerman began losing, he could pull out the gun and shoot his opponent. The state of Florida allows Zimmerman to patrol his neighborhood armed, which emboldened him.


4. If Zimmerman's weapon had not been hidden, Martin probably would have dealt with him differently.
When a man follows another, tensions rise. One way or another, those tensions led to a physical confrontation. But if Florida law barred concealed carry, Martin would have been able to see that Zimmerman was armed. Zimmerman defenders suspect Martin threw the first punch. But even if that's true, would he have done so if he knew Zimmerman was carrying a loaded weapon?


5. Zimmerman could have been barred from carrying a weapon.
Zimmerman had a long history of violence, including a restraining order for domestic violence, felony charges of resisting arrest, and assaulting an officer (the charge was pled down to a misdemeanor and then closed; Zimmerman's dad was a magistrate at the time). He was bounced from a job as a bouncer for being too aggressive with patrons, the New York Daily News reported. And a family member accused him of a pattern of sexual molestation. He wasn't convicted of any felony charges, which could have barred him from a gun license, but in some societies, people would determine that such a history makes someone less than an ideal candidate for the right to carry around a hidden loaded weapon.


6. Zimmerman could have not shot and killed Martin.
Regardless of who threw the first punch, a series of aggressive decisions by Zimmerman led toward the fight that broke out. Zimmerman therefore bears some responsibility for the altercation. If one starts a fight and loses, the result is generally a bloody nose, a fat lip, a black eye, a concussion or even a broken bone. That's the price one pays for getting into a fight, and it tends to be a deterrent to starting a fight. Zimmerman could have chosen to take his lumps and rethink the decisions he had made that landed him where he was. Instead, he pulled out his gun, squeezed the trigger and killed Trayvon Martin.


Of course, there's a seventh decision that could have been made that night -- Trayvon Martin could have chosen to not defend himself.

It's important to note that the jury's verdict sends a message to anyone confronted or pursued by another man: If you engage the confrontation, even an act of self defense could be used as justification to shoot and kill you. What led up to the confrontation in the Martin-Zimmerman case was ruled irrelevant; only Zimmerman's state of mind at the time he shot him was to be taken into account by the jury. That doesn't leave someone being followed through their neighborhood many options other than fighting back.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/15/6-decisions-trayvon_n_3600690.html ?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

What part of..."Ok, we don't need you to do that," did he not get?!



#1, GZ was a neighborhood watch participant, there had been multiple burglaries in the preceding months people had home invasions in this neighborhood..... seeing something or someone was probably easy for any of the people living there GZ just decided to do something about it in seeing who this person was and he called police to say exactly that!

#2 it is true the dispatcher said we don't need you to do that BUT in the next breath the dispatcher asked GZ "do you see where he has gone" so that is mixed signals could have gone either way but still nothing wrong with what GZ is doing..

#3 him having a concealed weapon is smart on his part if you are going to be a neighborhood watch person and live in a area know for crime you are stupid not to have one no matter who you are.... It is not a question of advantage after all you do not know who you might have a run in with being prepared simply means you are not willing to be a victim...

#4 that was Tm's mistake to assume or not that GZ was or was not carrying a weapon he still chose to confront GZ after all he ran away and GZ did not follow him running but he came upon him later so was TM waiting for him? I believe he was and I believe he thought he could confront him as to why GZ was following him maybe he should have just gone home....

#5 is a mute point if he had a felony he would not have a gun he did not have a felony you wishing he did or innuendos and almosts and what if's don't count...

#6 total BS you let someone on top of you pummeling you and see how much you will take before attempting to pull your gun if you had one and stopping the attack , each person will be different in how much they can take before you start to believe you may not survive or be badly hurt GZ was lucky he could even draw his gun if his right hand had been trapped or TM had been lower on his body he would not have gotten it out... Maybe TM would have knocked him unconscious and left maybe not that is speculation and does not count.

What happened that night in my opinion is that both of them made mistakes that led to a bad conclusion for them both ..GZ under the circumstances had every right to wonder who this person was, and TM had every right to wonder who was following him that being said it all comes down to the confrontation I believe by the evidence that TM ran out of sight and laid in wait for GZ to see if he was still following him, then made the decision to confront him and beat him up he threw the first punch and that ended in his loss of life...

Now the If's at the time of the confrontation if TM had just said why are you following me and GZ should have said I am a member of the neighborhood watch I am sorry to bother you but I do not recognize you the cops will be here in just a min and they will sort it out. maybe what ifs and almosts should count but sadly they don't it all boils down to 1 second GZ pulled his gun and at that very instant decided he was is serious troiuble and fired the rest does not matter TM did not deserve what happened and GZ does not deserve to be judged on what if's and speculation.........

 

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You are 100% correct on every point. If others choose to disagree with you that is their right but they will be wrong and you will remain correct.

My wife said this same thing to me just the other day. Then morning came and I woke up.

 

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You are 100% correct on every point. If others choose to disagree with you that is their right but they will be wrong and you will remain correct.

My wife said this same thing to me just the other day. Then morning came and I woke up.


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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?


Great points. Even then, we now have Treyvon backers that continue to say if someone is following you they deserve an ass beating!



And if someone is giving you an ass beating, they deserve to be shot dead.


How ridiculous......

 

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If getting out of the car was against the law in Florida Zimmerman would have been toast!


It is not against the law but when following someone you are alarmed by it would be the smart, mature, and right decision to make. Having that gun on his hip gave him far too much phony courage.

 

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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?



What don't you people get about Zimmerman being the 27 year old mature adult and Martin being the 17 year old kid???? Did you all make the best and smartest decisions when you had just turned 17???? The onus to me falls on the supposed mature adult to make the mature adult decisions.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 05:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Zimmerman thought he was following one of the burglars and he was going to be the hero by stopping him. Considering he allowed himself to be portrayed as an overweight candya** who couldn't even throw a punch after a year of training tells me what a real chichen sh*t coward he really is.

 

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You are 100% correct on every point. If others choose to disagree with you that is their right but they will be wrong and you will remain correct.

My wife said this same thing to me just the other day. Then morning came and I woke up.


Now that is freakin hilarious. LMAO
Same in our house!

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 06:37 PM
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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?



What don't you people get about Zimmerman being the 27 year old mature adult and Martin being the 17 year old kid???? Did you all make the best and smartest decisions when you had just turned 17???? The onus to me falls on the supposed mature adult to make the mature adult decisions.

I get everything about that and have stated Zimmerman made several bad decisions in this incident, but so did Martin. It is a tragedy wrapped up in erroneous assumptions and bad decisions by both of them. Each one could have easily altered the outcome in several places along the way. At what point do you think Zimmerman knew Martin was 17?

 

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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?



What don't you people get about Zimmerman being the 27 year old mature adult and Martin being the 17 year old kid???? Did you all make the best and smartest decisions when you had just turned 17???? The onus to me falls on the supposed mature adult to make the mature adult decisions.

I get everything about that and have stated Zimmerman made several bad decisions in this incident, but so did Martin. It is a tragedy wrapped up in erroneous assumptions and bad decisions by both of them. Each one could have easily altered the outcome in several places along the way. At what point do you think Zimmerman knew Martin was 17?


Whether or not he thought Zimmerman was 17 or 45 is totally irrelevant!!!!!! Fact is Martin had just turned 17. That Zimmerman didn't know that means nothing. Zimmerman was eleven years older than the kid and as an adult man should be the one who makes the mature adult decisions.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 06:53 PM
What a ridiculous thread. A post filled with hypothetical scenarios and "ifs". What's the point? Why discuss hypotheticals at all? Shouldn't we discuss what actually happened? For every "if" someone claims about Zimmerman, we can equally create one for Martin, so what is the point? There is none.

I love how people ignore the overwhelming evidence to support Martin initiated aggravated assault against Zimmerman, and that he had a right to do so because he was "being followed". If you think you have a right to assault someone for following you, then you should and will go to jail for assault. It's a good law. Don't hate Zimmerman, hate US law.


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And if someone is giving you an ass beating, they deserve to be shot dead.


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It's not ridiculous at all Sang. In your common bar fight, 99% of the time either fighter can run. However, if someone is pinned, trapped, without an opportunity to escape the ass-beating, then the aggressor does deserve to be shot.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 07:01 PM
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Martin could have asked Zimmerman if he could help him, then given him his name, where he was staying and with whom, and told him he was just on his way home from the store.

Martin could have called the police and waited for them to arrive.

Martin could have just kept on walking hom.

I love this idea that Zimmerman made Martin respond in the way he did. Martin had choices also. Both these individuals made a series of wrong choices that resulted in a tragedy. Why is it so important to be all one way or another?



What don't you people get about Zimmerman being the 27 year old mature adult and Martin being the 17 year old kid???? Did you all make the best and smartest decisions when you had just turned 17???? The onus to me falls on the supposed mature adult to make the mature adult decisions.

I get everything about that and have stated Zimmerman made several bad decisions in this incident, but so did Martin. It is a tragedy wrapped up in erroneous assumptions and bad decisions by both of them. Each one could have easily altered the outcome in several places along the way. At what point do you think Zimmerman knew Martin was 17?


Whether or not he thought Zimmerman was 17 or 45 is totally irrelevant!!!!!! Fact is Martin had just turned 17. That Zimmerman didn't know that means nothing. Zimmerman was eleven years older than the kid and as an adult man should be the one who makes the mature adult decisions.

So you see no mistakes by Martin whatsoever? I'd could also counter that whether Zimmerman was 17 or 45 he did nothing illegal. I still think he made some very erroneous assumptions and poor decisions, as did Martin. I don't believe Zimmerman is as borderline sociopathg as you charaterize him, and I don't believe Martin is a sweet kid who did nothing wrong in this incident either. My opinion remains they are both complicit in this tragedy. I admire your passion for what you see as an innocent victim gunned down for no good reason, and I accept that we disagree about aspects of the case.

 

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  posted on 7/17/2013 at 07:02 PM
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overwhelming evidence to support Martin initiated aggravated assault against Zimmerman
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LMFAO!!!!! You keep stating the same bull$hit with nothing to back it up in fact!!!! The ONLY evidence to support that Martin initiated aggravated assault on Zimmerman is Zimmerman's word and that is far from overwhelming. Just because Georgie Girl said it happened that way doesn't make it so.

 

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