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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 09:39 AM
Now this guy really took a real life threatening beating. Shows how small George Zimmerman's wounds actually were. This guy deserved a beat down but that beating may have been a bit excessive. Good thing the peeper wasn't packing because by Florida standards if the peeping tom had a licensed, concealed hand gun he could have shot the home owner dead legally and walked away with nothing more than peeping tom or trespassing charges the same way Zimmerman walked free. At least in this case I would say that the beating the guy took was actually life threatening and the peeping tom had to be hospitalized with major injuries.

http://www.examiner.com/article/father-finds-man-peeping-15-year-old-daught er-s-window-beats-him-bloody

So what are people's take on this one??? Do you think the peeper and trespasser would have had the right to shoot the home owner dead had he been legally carrying a concealed gun when he was taking that beating???

[Edited on 7/25/2013 by sixty8]

 

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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 10:53 AM
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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 02:55 PM
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Now this guy really took a real life threatening beating. Shows how small George Zimmerman's wounds actually were. This guy deserved a beat down but that beating may have been a bit excessive. Good thing the peeper wasn't packing because by Florida standards if the peeping tom had a licensed, concealed hand gun he could have shot the home owner dead legally and walked away with nothing more than peeping tom or trespassing charges the same way Zimmerman walked free. At least in this case I would say that the beating the guy took was actually life threatening and the peeping tom had to be hospitalized with major injuries.

http://www.examiner.com/article/father-finds-man-peeping-15-year-old-daught er-s-window-beats-him-bloody

So what are people's take on this one??? Do you think the peeper and trespasser would have had the right to shoot the home owner dead had he been legally carrying a concealed gun when he was taking that beating???

[Edited on 7/25/2013 by sixty8]




Man why don't ya go join the Sharpton/Jackson club.I mean you could tour round the country sportin Justice For Trayvon shirts.Sheet ,i betcha they'd even hook ya up with a different one for each day of the week.Add to that ya could pass out bumper sticker's,carry sign's,& maybe even get on the evening new's.
Just think about for a minute.Man you'd travel the country.And each town you'd have a new putry shirt to wear while fannin the flames.I'd be willin to bet by the end of the tour Jessie & Al would even pose with ya for an autographed color glossy 8x10.
Might oughta check into it man.Getta lot more ground covered than here in the WP.Wishin ya all the best.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 06:00 PM
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Now this guy really took a real life threatening beating. Shows how small George Zimmerman's wounds actually were. This guy deserved a beat down but that beating may have been a bit excessive. Good thing the peeper wasn't packing because by Florida standards if the peeping tom had a licensed, concealed hand gun he could have shot the home owner dead legally and walked away with nothing more than peeping tom or trespassing charges the same way Zimmerman walked free. At least in this case I would say that the beating the guy took was actually life threatening and the peeping tom had to be hospitalized with major injuries.

http://www.examiner.com/article/father-finds-man-peeping-15-year-old-daught er-s-window-beats-him-bloody

So what are people's take on this one??? Do you think the peeper and trespasser would have had the right to shoot the home owner dead had he been legally carrying a concealed gun when he was taking that beating???

[Edited on 7/25/2013 by sixty8]




Man why don't ya go join the Sharpton/Jackson club.I mean you could tour round the country sportin Justice For Trayvon shirts.Sheet ,i betcha they'd even hook ya up with a different one for each day of the week.Add to that ya could pass out bumper sticker's,carry sign's,& maybe even get on the evening new's.
Just think about for a minute.Man you'd travel the country.And each town you'd have a new putry shirt to wear while fannin the flames.I'd be willin to bet by the end of the tour Jessie & Al would even pose with ya for an autographed color glossy 8x10.
Might oughta check into it man.Getta lot more ground covered than here in the WP.Wishin ya all the best.



If you don't like my threads don't read them you illiterate fool. This is about a whole different case and has nothing to do with Sharpton or Jackson. Both men were white in this case. Can you read or did you even bother clicking the link. Go ask your mother or father how many times they accidentally dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Then stop reading anything I post if it's gonna get you into such a tizzy.

One more thing, how about trying to use some proper spelling and punctuation??? Your posts are dizzying to read.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 09:20 PM
Vigilantism is the next step to anarchy.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2013 at 09:43 PM
No the guy did not "deserve" the beat down. Yes if he was killed the homeowner would be guilty of murder. As for whether he would have a right of self defense similar to Zimmerman it would obviously depend on whether he was in fear of his life due to either his weapon being taken away or whether he was in a position from which he could not escape that could lead to life threatening injury End of discussion.

Why you insist on taking into account how badly injured Zimmerman was I don't know. I think you are operating from the premise that the right to use deadly force is kind of a revenge thing. If you are beaten badly enough then maybe its justifiable. In actuality what matters is whether you REASONABLY believe your life to be in jeopardy. It is not necessary to have any injury at all. The entire encounter between Zimmerman and Martin took 40 seconds. How long did the one in this case last? How injured would Zimmerman have been if his fight lasted another 2or 3 minutes?

 

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  posted on 7/26/2013 at 08:12 AM
Racism alive and well in Florida, here's another pig-

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article -1.1209345

 

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My take is to stay the he11 out of florida, other than select tourist areas. Too many weirdos and gun totin' imbeciles walking around.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2013 at 10:00 AM
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Racism alive and well in Florida, here's another pig-

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article -1.1209345


Although I don't automatically assign a racial motivation to the incident, I'd say this fellow is going away for a long time.

 

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article -1.1209345


Although I don't automatically assign a racial motivation to the incident, I'd say this fellow is going away for a long time.


But note how he is equated with Zimmerman. No nuance at all. No recognition of the fact that Zimmerman was being beaten and this freak was not.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2013 at 12:11 PM
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So what are people's take on this one??? Do you think the peeper and trespasser would have had the right to shoot the home owner dead had he been legally carrying a concealed gun when he was taking that beating???

[Edited on 7/25/2013 by sixty8]


No, he wouldn't. He was (allegedly) in the commission of a crime. He would have been charged with felony murder, along with armed robbery if it could be proven that he was trying to gain access into the house.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2013 at 12:44 PM
That is right on the money, Jerry. If you are in the process of commiting a crime you have tossed your rights out the window...

 

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  posted on 7/27/2013 at 05:25 PM
I've fallen and worse injuries that Zimmerman at the hands of Martin so I'm getting weary of hearing about that beat down he got. What a wimp. As for the peeping tom....it used to be a law in Alabama that you had to wait until someone was actually all the way inside your house before you could defend yourself and then you could only meet force with force....like if the guy was only armed with a knife you couldn't shoot him. Glad they changed that one.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2013 at 06:54 PM
Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.
 

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  posted on 7/30/2013 at 11:50 AM
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Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.


It's funny isn't it how all of a sudden liberals want to live in a wild west where people can beat each other for offense taken. I wonder if these are the same types of liberals who condemned "Deathwish" in the 70's and were so horrified by the actions of Bernard Goetz in the 80's.

 

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I don't know any liberals who condemned 'Death Wish' or who didn't think Goetz wasn't justified in his actions. When someone isn't a 'liberal' they tend to try to speak authoritatively about their beliefs and usually they're really wrong.

 

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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article -1.1209345


Although I don't automatically assign a racial motivation to the incident, I'd say this fellow is going away for a long time.


But note how he is equated with Zimmerman. No nuance at all. No recognition of the fact that Zimmerman was being beaten and this freak was not.


Actually, no one here equated this guy with Zimmerman. His lawyer did.

 

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I've fallen and worse injuries that Zimmerman at the hands of Martin so I'm getting weary of hearing about that beat down he got. What a wimp. As for the peeping tom....it used to be a law in Alabama that you had to wait until someone was actually all the way inside your house before you could defend yourself and then you could only meet force with force....like if the guy was only armed with a knife you couldn't shoot him. Glad they changed that one.


I have gotten much worse injuries in fights that I won. That is part of the reason I don't believe his story and why I think his so called beat down didn't rise to the level of being able to use deadly physical force. I guess someone who is a wimp can claim that just about anything had them fearing for their lives. He probably would have shot Martin if Martin slapped him in the face instead of punching him.

 

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Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.


It's funny isn't it how all of a sudden liberals want to live in a wild west where people can beat each other for offense taken. I wonder if these are the same types of liberals who condemned "Deathwish" in the 70's and were so horrified by the actions of Bernard Goetz in the 80's.


Goetz went far beyond what was needed to stop his attackers. Shooting someone who is retreating in the back should have been a crime that landed Goetz in jail. Should have thrown him in the same jail tier as the scum bags that were trying to rob him. One thing to pull out a licensed gun and defend yourself and stop the attackers but once they retreat you have no right to shoot them or do people here claim that he felt his life was in danger at that point???

 

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Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.


It's funny isn't it how all of a sudden liberals want to live in a wild west where people can beat each other for offense taken. I wonder if these are the same types of liberals who condemned "Deathwish" in the 70's and were so horrified by the actions of Bernard Goetz in the 80's.


The only ones living in the wild west are people like Zimmerman walking around with loaded handguns. The fact that someone like that weird coward Zimmerman can obtain and legally walk around in public with a loaded handgun is about as scary as it gets.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2013 at 11:33 AM
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I don't know any liberals who condemned 'Death Wish' or who didn't think Goetz wasn't justified in his actions. When someone isn't a 'liberal' they tend to try to speak authoritatively about their beliefs and usually they're really wrong.


Really? I certainly do. Maybe you are not around enough liberals down in Alabama. You'd better believe the liberal establishment tried to do to Goetz in the 80's what they did to Zimmerman. And the intelligencia called Deathwish and Dirty Harry "facist films". I'm sure you could find said articles if you Google it.

 

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Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.




It's funny isn't it how all of a sudden liberals want to live in a wild west where people can beat each other for offense taken. I wonder if these are the same types of liberals who condemned "Deathwish" in the 70's and were so horrified by the actions of Bernard Goetz in the 80's.


Goetz went far beyond what was needed to stop his attackers. Shooting someone who is retreating in the back should have been a crime that landed Goetz in jail. Should have thrown him in the same jail tier as the scum bags that were trying to rob him. One thing to pull out a licensed gun and defend yourself and stop the attackers but once they retreat you have no right to shoot them or do people here claim that he felt his life was in danger at that point???


But Big Ann says no liberals think Goetz wasn't justified in what he did.

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Shocking responses here. People accuse Zimmerman of "vigilantilism" but yet it's ok for the home owner to take the law into his own hands instead of call the cops? A man guilty of trespassing does not deserve a physical beating. He is guilty of trespassing only, according to the article....not breaking and entering. The homeowner shouldn't be charged but he surely crossed the line - he should've called the cops, period. This notion that Trayvon and the homeowner have the right to assault is asinine. Neither Zimmerman nor the trespasser were assaulting and trapping anyone.


It's funny isn't it how all of a sudden liberals want to live in a wild west where people can beat each other for offense taken. I wonder if these are the same types of liberals who condemned "Deathwish" in the 70's and were so horrified by the actions of Bernard Goetz in the 80's.


The only ones living in the wild west are people like Zimmerman walking around with loaded handguns. The fact that someone like that weird coward Zimmerman can obtain and legally walk around in public with a loaded handgun is about as scary as it gets.


What makes it a wild west is the idea that people who feel their pride has been hurt or are otherwise offended can beat the crap out of someone. You and others here have essentially said as much. That is not the world we live in. Recall the case of the man who heard someone say the "N" word and popped him. The guy fell backwards hit his head and is in a coma. If he dies the offended African American is guilty of either murder or at the least voluntary manslaughter.


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  posted on 7/31/2013 at 02:07 PM
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  posted on 7/31/2013 at 03:15 PM
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I have gotten much worse injuries in fights that I won. That is part of the reason I don't believe his story and why I think his so called beat down didn't rise to the level of being able to use deadly physical force. I guess someone who is a wimp can claim that just about anything had them fearing for their lives. He probably would have shot Martin if Martin slapped him in the face instead of punching him.
Well Pete, the fact is, it wasn't you who got sucker punched in the face. It wasn't you who was getting his head slammed against the concrete. It wasn't you who had your mouth and nose covered while you tried to scream for help. It wasn't you who was told, "You're gonna die tonight, mother **** er." It wasn't you who wasn't getting the help you were crying out for from the neighbors who heard your screams as you struggled against your attacker. It wasn't you that was about to have your weapon taken away from you and used on you.

The truth is, Trayvon Martin was looking for trouble when he attacked George Zimmerman. He could have just stood and hid in the shadows of that pathway until Zimmerman walked away back to his truck, but he chose to confront him. And it ended badly for Trayvon.

I initially thought Zimmerman deserved at least a manslaughter charge until I got familiar with some of the facts, evidence and testimony of the case, and that was after the verdict was announced. After reviewing them, and a jury of Zimmerman's peers weighing the evidence based on law, they came to the right verdict. I hate that a boy died, but he brought on his own death by acting they way he did. If I had been in Zimmerman's shoes, and I felt like there was a real possibility I was going to die, or if someone had told me I was going to die right then, I would take that threat seriously and do whatever it took to preserve my own life, no ifs, ands or buts.

Life can change, or end, in the blink of an eye. It's easy to arm chair quarterback everything that we don't like the outcome of. This is a very unfortunate set of circumstances that resulted in loss of life. But in the end, I believe our justice system worked.

Watch this video starting at @ 9:50, and take into consideration that Zimmerman took a polygraph test and passed. I believe he was telling the truth. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX1sxARNq_c

[Edited on 7/31/2013 by BigDaveOnBass]

 
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