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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 05:26 PM
Once the brothers started to recline from the road, their popularity has taken a hit.

at least according to Google Trends.

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=pest+control#q=allman%20brothers& ;geo=US&cmpt=q

has derek trucks gained in fame since the dTb hiatus? probably not:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=pest+control#q=derek%20trucks&ge o=US&cmpt=q

what other musical trends do you think are rising/falling?

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 06:08 PM
I don't see anything when I go to the links. Are you suggesting that the ABB should care about often they are searched on google?

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 06:10 PM
I think "bieber fever" is on the decline

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 07:17 PM
Dang, Bieber played here the other night and I missed it...

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 08:06 PM
They've been reclining from the road the past 2-3 years
hey, after how hard they've worked & much they've travelled over the decades, a recliner would look pretty darn good to me too
doesn't mean their popularity's taken a hit tho -- they're just gettin' on in years a little -- yes even musicians are human
I love the ABB -- hope it's a great time for everyone in Scranton PA

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 08:06 PM
sorry if it did not come through.

put any search you want into Google Trends: http://www.google.com/trends/

the Allmans were still a hot trend when they were touring heavily. the dTb had a strong search presence at their peak.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2013 at 10:41 PM
I plotted a time and data graph of the Brothers out and found it exactly coincides with the waning popularity of Bird72................ cosmic!

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 08:37 AM
Yeah today Derek is having a presale for his 3rd Beacon show just like last year. But he was a bigger deal with the DTB? For Pete's sake how silly to even infer that Derek was a bigger name with the DTB or a "hotter trend ". Whatever one's taste is for the musical merits that is laughable.
 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 08:55 AM
I still consider myself a hardcore ABB fan and traveling to the Beacon every other year to see them, but only one show closer than 5 hours away from me in 6 years (which that one show I was unable to attend last summer) has hurt my overall enthusiasm for the band. My schedule and commitments compared to their's has just not allowed to travel to any of the summer shows they have played since 2007. When I was catching atleast 2 shows every summer which I then added with a sometimes annual and more often semi-annual Beacon run that is when my love was at it's highests. I felt it growing in the late 90s, peak in the early-to mid 2000s and fading in the late 2000s. It is almost now they are becoming just another band I really like rather than the premier band in my world.

Things change, it happens. But I know for me their lack of touring and absence of any new studio material has had a negative impact. I don't listen to them as much as I used to and am not into any of the family bands anywhere close to how I feel/felt about the ABB and sadly I can feel things slowly slipping away.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 09:41 AM
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For Pete's sake how silly to even infer that Derek was a bigger name with the DTB or a "hotter trend ". Whatever one's taste is for the musical merits that is laughable.



This.

The ABB may be on a decline, but that's a decision they've made.....in the meantime, the off shoot bands are bigger than they ever were.....due to the fact that they ARE still touring.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 10:27 AM
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Yeah today Derek is having a presale for his 3rd Beacon show just like last year. But he was a bigger deal with the DTB? For Pete's sake how silly to even infer that Derek was a bigger name with the DTB or a "hotter trend ".


i'm not inferring anything. i'm just showing a measurable, digital, analytical trend. derek, whose band sold out 1,000 seat theaters combined forces with another artist (his wife susan) who sold out 1,000 seat theaters. together, they are doing great. i'm thrilled for them and a fan.

their personal brands have gone down. their combined brands have rocketed up.

when you go from derek trucks band (full name billing) to tedeschi trucks band (last name second billing), ...

this is just an observation. not a critique. it's a cool tool. infer what you like.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 10:34 AM
Not sure how many definitive conclusions one can draw from these search trends. Springsteen still tours constantly and his search volume is at or below the ABB for a good portion of the graph time, although searches for his lyrics are at least five times higher.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 10:52 AM
It could also just mean that less people are using google to search for anything today than 5 years ago.
 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 11:39 AM
Put Jerry Garcia or Miles Davis or Beethoven or better yet Richard Nixon in and you will see how absolutely nothing it has to do with touring.
 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 01:34 PM
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For Pete's sake how silly to even infer that Derek was a bigger name with the DTB or a "hotter trend ". Whatever one's taste is for the musical merits that is laughable.
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I was thinking the same thing. What many Derek Trucks Band fans and I am one of them can't seem to realize is that Derek, playing in his longtime band playing the hybrid style of world music that they played will only draw in a certain amount of fans. I have tried to turn many people onto the DTB over the years and very few liked the music at all. They just didn't get their musical style. Hell, I loved the DTB at the end but it took me years from their inception before they started to grow on me and then I fell in love with them. Their fan base had topped off and after such a long time together they still couldn't headline 3000 seat theaters and sell them out. When I went to see him play with Clapton there were people all over the place who had never even heard of Derek before then. My personal opinion is that part of Derek's decision besides the family thing had to do with wanting to expand the amount of people exposed to him and his music. Derek's trend surely wasn't going up playing to the same audience over and over and over again. It will go up playing a more normal for lack of a better word music. TTB to me still isn't totally main stream music but far more mainstream in style than the DTB was and far more alluring to a main stream audience. TTB's audience has room to grow and they have already shown that they are much more popular than the DTB was ever gonna be. They had topped out their fan base and couldn't sell out venues like the Beacon while the TTB can sell out the Beacon for three nights in a row. I loved the DTB and I love the TTB but they are more likely to gain a larger fan base and be able to sell out larger venues and sell more records as TTB.

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 01:41 PM
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It is almost now they are becoming just another band I really like rather than the premier band in my world.


Understandable.......emotion shared on that one.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 02:11 PM
I don't think either of them have any reason to care. The ABB established their name and their markets a long time ago and hasn't really changed its routine in a long time, and their reduced touring is generally part of the plan- and it's not unexpected given Gregg and Butch and Jaimoe's ages. And if more people are searching for Tedeschi Trucks and fewer are searching for Derek, that's probably also according to plan. TTB reached its highest search volume when the first album came out, and with another album coming out next week they're close to that level.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 02:33 PM
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It is almost now they are becoming just another band I really like rather than the premier band in my world.


Understandable.......emotion shared on that one.



As I said above in a previous post, put in Jerry Garcia, Miles Davis, Beethoven or Richard Nixon in the search as provided by the op and you will see that the whole original premise is completely flawed and I assure you the variation in those people I just mentioned has ZERO to do with touring.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 02:44 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. What many Derek Trucks Band fans and I am one of them can't seem to realize is that Derek, playing in his longtime band playing the hybrid style of world music that they played will only draw in a certain amount of fans. I have tried to turn many people onto the DTB over the years and very few liked the music at all. They just didn't get their musical style. Hell, I loved the DTB at the end but it took me years from their inception before they started to grow on me and then I fell in love with them. Their fan base had topped off and after such a long time together they still couldn't headline 3000 seat theaters and sell them out. When I went to see him play with Clapton there were people all over the place who had never even heard of Derek before then. My personal opinion is that part of Derek's decision besides the family thing had to do with wanting to expand the amount of people exposed to him and his music. Derek's trend surely wasn't going up playing to the same audience over and over and over again. It will go up playing a more normal for lack of a better word music. TTB to me still isn't totally main stream music but far more mainstream in style than the DTB was and far more alluring to a main stream audience. TTB's audience has room to grow and they have already shown that they are much more popular than the DTB was ever gonna be. They had topped out their fan base and couldn't sell out venues like the Beacon while the TTB can sell out the Beacon for three nights in a row. I loved the DTB and I love the TTB but they are more likely to gain a larger fan base and be able to sell out larger venues and sell more records as TTB.

[Edited on 8/13/2013 by sixty8]
That pretty much sums it up Pete...

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 03:04 PM
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The ABB may be on a decline, but that's a decision they've made.....in the meantime, the off shoot bands are bigger than they ever were.....due to the fact that they ARE still touring.

I can relate! I am definitely on a decline myself, but my grandkids are bigger than they ever were. Me and the ABB...we live in parallel worlds.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 03:25 PM
Speaking of the TTB, they just put another Beacon show up on Ticketmaster for the Friday after the first two shows on September 13.

IMO prices are exorbitant at $143.00 after fees for all of the decent seats and I will not be attending. I know they like having such a large ensemble of a band but if they have to charge that high of a price to be able to pay the band they are eventually gonna lose a good portion of their live audience. I can't justify paying that amount to see anyone even at the Beacon. Maybe in a smaller venue half of the size but not at the Beacon for that cost and I don't feel like settling for cr@ppy balcony seats. They are gonna price a good part of their fan base out of the building just like the ABB have. I used to do three or four ABB Beacon shows a year and now it is down to one sitting in the cr@ppy balcony. Probably will skip the Beacon run altogether next year and it is sad because my passion for the band and the venue are still there but just don't add up to my budget anymore!

I guess the only way I will see these two bands anymore is either on a summer tour in a shed or at a festival where the prices are reasonable.

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 04:24 PM
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As I said above in a previous post, put in Jerry Garcia, Miles Davis, Beethoven or Richard Nixon in the search as provided by the op and you will see that the whole original premise is completely flawed and I assure you the variation in those people I just mentioned has ZERO to do with touring.


you're most likely right that my premise is flawed. i see some correlations, but no big deal.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 04:48 PM
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Speaking of the TTB, they just put another Beacon show up on Ticketmaster for the Friday after the first two shows on September 13.

IMO prices are exorbitant at 143.00 after fees for all of the decent seats and I will not be attending. I know they like having such a large ensemble of a band but if they have to charge that high of a price to be able to pay the band they are eventually gonna lose a good portion of their live audience. I can't justify paying that amount to see anyone even at the Beacon. Maybe in a smaller venue half of the size but not at the Beacon for that cost and I don't feel like settling for cr@ppy balcony seats. They are gonna price a good part of their fan base out of the building just like the ABB have. I used to do three or four ABB Beacon shows a year and now it is down to one sitting in the cr@ppy balcony. Probably will skip the Beacon run altogether next year and it is sad because my passion for the band and the venue are still there but just don't add up to my budget anymore!

I guess the only way I will see these two bands anymore is either on a summer tour in a shed or at a festival where the prices are reasonable.


I realize it is the Beacon and New York and all, but $143.00 is insane for them. I've never paid that much to see the ABB there.

Going to see the Crowes / TTB tomorrow night in Chicago for $45.50. And Chicago isn't exactly a small market. Bargain.

Heck, the ABB at The Chicago Theatre next week are $120.00 and I thought that was expensive and the place is WAY nicer than The Beacon.

I don't begrudge anyone for making what they can, but at some point it seems like they are going to price people out and they won't bother going.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 06:37 PM
Well, let's see how the sales go. Were the prices this high for the other 2 TTB Beacon shows, and did those sell out?
 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 08:22 PM
You might come away with the opinion that I would really like to see them record a new album, as I can't really comment on the original post regarding trends. Like others mentioned, I too have lost a little interest, primarily because it seems the ABB is more the side project these days compared to the offshoot bands. Obviously the ABB is great live, but I don't go to many shows at all anymore; if I did, I would see them in a flash, but I'd like to get a studio album. I know many people don't like new stuff, but I love new material. I'd just really like them to put out another album with more Gregg influence. A new studio album would be what I'd wish for, personally.

You see, for me, I think what it boils down to is I'd just like them to record a new album. Then I would be much more interested, no doubt. I still listen to them every day, still love it, but what I really want is a new studio album.

As a matter of fact, the more I think about it, the more I realize that what would make me most happy is if they recorded a new album.

p.s. the other bands in the family are just fine, but I think what the world needs right now is, well, you guessed it! Another ABB album.

 
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