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RNC votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting debates

August 16

By STEVE PEOPLES
Associated Press

BOSTON The Republican National Committee approved a resolution Friday to block two television networks from hosting GOP presidential primary debates.

Friday's vote affirms RNC chairman Reince Priebus's threat against CNN and NBC unless the networks dropped plans to air programs about possible Democratic presidential contender Hillary Rodham Clinton. The vote was unanimous.

Priebus said CNN has "an obvious bias."

"That's a network that won't be hosting a single Republican primary debate," Priebus declared, receiving a standing ovation from Republican activists from across the country gathered for the committee's summer meeting in Boston.

In a statement, CNN said a division of the company planned to air a documentary about Clinton in 2014.

"The project is in the very early stages of development, months from completion," the CNN statement read. "We encouraged all interested parties to wait until the program premieres before judgments are made about it. Unfortunately, the RNC was not willing to do that."

Even before the Clinton dispute, Republican leaders favored plans to have fewer presidential debates with more friendly moderators. They believe their 2012 presidential candidates spent too much time beating up on each other in last year's monthslong primary season, contributing to Mitt Romney's loss.

"Our party should not be involved in setting up a system that encourages the slicing and dicing of candidates over a long period of time with moderators that are not in the business of being at all concerned about the future of our party," Priebus told reporters.

Democratic National Committee spokesman Michael Czin criticized Friday's vote.

"Instead of modifying their policies to actually present smart solutions for middle class families, the only thing the GOP can unite behind is a plan to continue to limit the audiences and voters to whom they will communicate," he said.

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Interesting quote here from Priebus...

"Our party should not be involved in setting up a system that encourages the slicing and dicing of candidates over a long period of time with moderators that are not in the business of being at all concerned about the future of our party," Priebus told reporters.

Well, at least now we have confirmation as to what will be expected of the Fox News moderators.

 

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This will do nothing but backfire on them. The voters will figure out that the GOP are running away from the tough gotcha questions. Who cares anyway. If they roll out another clown show of candidates it doesn't matter who shows the debates because they will still make fools of themselves.

 

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I think they should encourage NBC/CNN/DNC to produce and air as much about Hillary as they like. Run it three times a day and more on weekends. Slobber all over her until Hillary fatigue becomes a diagnosed illness, recognized by Medicare.

I'm setting my DVR now!

 

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Reince Priebus another Wisconsin embarrassment, the Kenosha village idiot. He is solidly beholden to and in the Koch Brothers pocket. He was the main Teabagger/John Birch organizer in Wisconsin. Anyone who thinks his leadership will be anything other than completely extreme for the GOP is smoking crack. So much for the more inclusive republican party wet dream.

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I haven't watched CNN or HLN for years. They quit reporting news years ago which is why so many people switched to Fox news when it came out. At least for a while they actually reported news rather than dialog.

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being


I would say the same about faux news.

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?


Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.


 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.

I expected the election comparison.

So a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public"? I have to agree that the general public are not news viewers, given who's in the WH.

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.

I expected the election comparison.

So a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public"? I have to agree that the general public are not news viewers, given who's in the WH.


You should have expected the election comparison because it is a valid point. Otherwise the 50 to 60% figure you posted would have made a difference in the last 2 elections, and everyone knows they didn't.

And no, a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public". The original statement I made had nothing to do with general viewers of news. Not sure your response was sincere or tongue and cheek, but permit me to lay it out plainly - the statement implied that the FOX viewership with it's dedicated viewers are mainly cut out of one mold and not indicative of the following voting population segments - young voters, non white, gay, and female. These are documented population sectors that in 2008 & 2012 didn't vote for GOP candidates in prez. elections. What's left is the FOX audience / voters.

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.

I expected the election comparison.

So a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public"? I have to agree that the general public are not news viewers, given who's in the WH.

You should have expected the election comparison because it is a valid point. Otherwise the 50 to 60% figure you posted would have made a difference in the last 2 elections, and everyone knows they didn't.

And no, a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public". The original statement I made had nothing to do with general viewers of news. Not sure your response was sincere or tongue and cheek, but permit me to lay it out plainly - the statement implied that the FOX viewership with it's dedicated viewers are mainly cut out of one mold and not indicative of the following voting population segments - young voters, non white, gay, and female. These are documented population sectors that in 2008 & 2012 didn't vote for GOP candidates in prez. elections. What's left is the FOX audience / voters.

If you wish to rely on election comparisons, then broaden the scope. Close to 2/3rd's of the states now have R governors, and something close to a majority have R legislatures. I don't think the story is so simple as just using federal results.

If the point you're trying to make is that we can accurately access the political alignment and beliefs of Americans via a couple of elections, I'd say that's fraught with variables that have nothing to do with the goal. Like the fact that 3-4 million conservatives stayed home and didn't vote in the last election, mainly because they didn't like/trust Romney's alignment with their beliefs.

The better method is just to ask people the question outright: "do you consider yourself a liberal or conservative, or something in between?" Gallop regularly does that very poll. Here's the results...

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

[Edited on 8/18/2013 by Fujirich]

 

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  posted on 8/17/2013 at 08:33 PM
I watch a good cross section of all of the cable news stations and FOX is every bit as biased towards the right as NBC is towards the left. As much as they claim not to be FOX is every bit a part of the so called lame stream media as any of the other cable news channels. CNN is somewhere in between. If you are trying to say that shows like Hannity and O'Rielly are fair and balanced as they profess I say BS. Just as much news reported on each as well.

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.

I expected the election comparison.

So a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public"? I have to agree that the general public are not news viewers, given who's in the WH.

You should have expected the election comparison because it is a valid point. Otherwise the 50 to 60% figure you posted would have made a difference in the last 2 elections, and everyone knows they didn't.

And no, a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public". The original statement I made had nothing to do with general viewers of news. Not sure your response was sincere or tongue and cheek, but permit me to lay it out plainly - the statement implied that the FOX viewership with it's dedicated viewers are mainly cut out of one mold and not indicative of the following voting population segments - young voters, non white, gay, and female. These are documented population sectors that in 2008 & 2012 didn't vote for GOP candidates in prez. elections. What's left is the FOX audience / voters.

If you wish to rely on election comparisons, then broaden the scope. Close to 2/3rd's of the states now have R governors, and something close to a majority have R legislatures. I don't think the story is so simple as just using federal results.

If the point you're trying to make is that we can accurately access the political alignment and beliefs of Americans via a couple of elections, I'd say that's fraught with variables that have nothing to do with the goal. Like the fact that 3-4 million conservatives stayed home and didn't vote in the last election, mainly because they didn't like/trust Romney's alignment with their beliefs.

The better method is just to ask people the question outright: "do you consider yourself a liberal or conservative, or something in between?" Gallop regularly does that very poll. Here's the results...

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.

[Edited on 8/18/2013 by Fujirich]


It has been pointed out many times on this site & in most reliable media that 1) changing demographics and 2) GOP never ending voter suppression efforts (see latest North Carolina) along with trampling on womens' choice (see North Carolina, North Dakota, Texas), and 3) TBD - how much the GOP House holds back immigration reform...well these means are no way to gain votes.

If the 3 to 4 million conservatives who stayed at home decide to come out & vote in the next presidential election, do you believe it will make a difference in the electoral college after alienating more & more voters? The GOP's post 2012 election self analysis tells that party it has to reach out and expand it's base, yet it continues to pursue laws & is entrenched in ideology counter productive to expanding the base. It's kind of like the expression of kicking a puppy & then wondering why the puppy won't give you a kiss.

Do you really thing the stay at home voters that you reference are enough to make a difference? Tell us the pathway to GOP victory - which sectors does the GOP peel off based on their actions and ideology referenced in the first paragraph? Tell us from where the numbers are to be gained.

 

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Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Ratings have nothing to do with accuracy or integrity of the programming. Just ask Vince McMahon.

 

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Bob Beckel, Lanny Davis, Kirsten Powers, Dennis Kucinich, Austan Goolsby, Jehmu Green, Christian Dorsey, Rick Ungar, Tamara Holder, Sally Kohn, Geraldo Rivera, James Carville, Alan Colmes and about two dozen more on the channel 24/7....or maybe Juan Williams when he's guest hosting the Factor?

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So you do watch it................

 

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It is about time that they stood up to the mainstream media. The left wing bias is so obvious. Their newscast are a farce. NBC is a joke. If that is where you get all your information then you are one ignorant human being
When you watch [fox news] you are getting what "rupert murdoch" and the "republican party" wants you to think. no actual facts, just HEAVILY biased opinions, lightly based in reality.NO journalism, zero truth, fear and smear. if this is your "news source" you are detached from reality.

From 6 in the morning till 8 at night, they report news. Every show. There's no facts in there? Perhaps you've never watched.

Is opinion expressed in there? Sure, but 90% is done by the guests and not the anchors. And almost every time they have guests offering opinion, they represent both sides, with progressives arguing hard for their points. Sure they get push back, but on the news shows, they get fair time.

Must chap you guys that their ratings blow away everyone else's. That wouldn't be possible if it were all "zero truth, fear and smear". Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Re: representing both sides - I've watched enough of that station to get the perspective. You are right - both sides are represented, but it is far from balanced as in maybe 80% right 20% left. If that's what they refer to as "fair and balanced", then so be it.

The 50-60% percent you state may be a percentage of viewers that watch FOX, but not of the population as a whole. If that were true, it would represent a proxy and determining factor in national elections, and those numbers you offer don't float in the elections.

Their ratings are high because they have a dedicated audience. Beyond that, it can translate to advertising dollars. The fact is that the high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public. It is instead a more homogenous audience.

I expected the election comparison.

So a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public"? I have to agree that the general public are not news viewers, given who's in the WH.

You should have expected the election comparison because it is a valid point. Otherwise the 50 to 60% figure you posted would have made a difference in the last 2 elections, and everyone knows they didn't.

And no, a "high percentage of dedicated viewers are not representative of a wide array of the voting public". The original statement I made had nothing to do with general viewers of news. Not sure your response was sincere or tongue and cheek, but permit me to lay it out plainly - the statement implied that the FOX viewership with it's dedicated viewers are mainly cut out of one mold and not indicative of the following voting population segments - young voters, non white, gay, and female. These are documented population sectors that in 2008 & 2012 didn't vote for GOP candidates in prez. elections. What's left is the FOX audience / voters.

If you wish to rely on election comparisons, then broaden the scope. Close to 2/3rd's of the states now have R governors, and something close to a majority have R legislatures. I don't think the story is so simple as just using federal results.

If the point you're trying to make is that we can accurately access the political alignment and beliefs of Americans via a couple of elections, I'd say that's fraught with variables that have nothing to do with the goal. Like the fact that 3-4 million conservatives stayed home and didn't vote in the last election, mainly because they didn't like/trust Romney's alignment with their beliefs.

The better method is just to ask people the question outright: "do you consider yourself a liberal or conservative, or something in between?" Gallop regularly does that very poll. Here's the results...

Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.


It has been pointed out many times on this site & in most reliable media that 1) changing demographics and 2) GOP never ending voter suppression efforts (see latest North Carolina) along with trampling on womens' choice (see North Carolina, North Dakota, Texas), and 3) TBD - how much the GOP House holds back immigration reform...well these means are no way to gain votes.

If the 3 to 4 million conservatives who stayed at home decide to come out & vote in the next presidential election, do you believe it will make a difference in the electoral college after alienating more & more voters? The GOP's post 2012 election self analysis tells that party it has to reach out and expand it's base, yet it continues to pursue laws & is entrenched in ideology counter productive to expanding the base. It's kind of like the expression of kicking a puppy & then wondering why the puppy won't give you a kiss.

Do you really thing the stay at home voters that you reference are enough to make a difference? Tell us the pathway to GOP victory - which sectors does the GOP peel off based on their actions and ideology referenced in the first paragraph? Tell us from where the numbers are to be gained.

The pathway to victory for any non-D is simple: restore faith that economic opportunity can once again be a reasonable expectation of the average American via policies of economic liberty and personal freedom. Propose a believable plan to accomplish that which doesn't involve more debt and cronyism.

The last two idiots propped up to run by the R establishment couldn't even defend capitalism, had no plan anyone could remember, and were uninspiring dilettantes. They failed to energize their base because all they offered were more big-govt solutions. Since they were classic establishment R's, that's all they were going to do. Zzzzzzz...

I wouldn't be so confident all the rest of those distractions will make much of a difference compared to getting people excited about improving their economic conditions.

Changing demographics? So Latinos don't want a healthy economy and opportunity, and would prefer eternal dependency on Uncle Sam's plantation? Come on.

The voter ID kerfuffle? 70-80% of the country agrees that some sort of ID should be shown when voting. Check the polls.

Women's choice? Where is their choice to have an abortion being halted? Here in NC, the bill just signed requires abortion clinics to operate at the same standards as any out-patient facility. That's all. So if it were your wife/daughter/significant other, you wouldn't want the assurance that the clinic operated at the same standards of cleanliness and process that hospitals are regulated to maintain? Do you eat in restaurants that receive failed grades from the health inspector? I thought you folks just loved regulations.

There's a misplaced confidence in much of the D's thinking that just because they retained the Presidency, and the most of the media keeps writing favorable stories, they have an unstoppable tsunami of future power. The problem not acknowledged enough is the continuing failure of their agenda to fulfill what Americans expect. They're working harder to get people to accept lower expectations than to improve conditions. And if the reply is the obstruction of the House, be real. How does a $200 billion jobs bill make a dent when $850 billion didn't before? More green jobs? They are as bankrupt of workable ideas as they are bankrupting the nation.

I'm not shilling for the R's here, because they are equally stupid. But thinking that the D's have some great agenda and offer what is best for the country's future is false pride that could easily be toppled.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2013 at 12:04 AM
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Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?


Wow. You think 50-60% of the American population watch "news".

Fox has you baked.

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And if the reply is the obstruction of the House, be real. How does a $200 billion jobs bill make a dent when $850 billion didn't before? More green jobs? They are as bankrupt of workable ideas as they are bankrupting the nation.

I'm not shilling for the R's here, because they are equally stupid. But thinking that the D's have some great agenda and offer what is best for the country's future is false pride that could easily be toppled.



When the Baggers first began their movement, before the movement was co-opted by the Koch Brothers and the Chamber of Commerce, you know before Dick Armey took a lot of ignorant poor people's money and made himself a millionaire (paving the way for Sarah Palin to do the same) I thought that maybe constructive opposition to the Republican party would make a difference. I feel the same way about the occupy movement and how it relates to mainstream Democrats.

Neither mainstream party represents the interests of the American People. Both parties are about maintaining the status quo by dividing and conquering.

What bothers me most about the Baggers is that they have no ideas, no alternatives, no solutions. They just want to take their ball and go home.

$850 billion did make a dent. It made a huge difference. Ask GM. Ask the banksters. Look at the stock market. Check out corporate profits. The bleeding caused by Republican economic theory was stopped and the country is healing.

[Edited on 8/18/2013 by BillyBlastoff]

 

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  posted on 8/18/2013 at 12:14 AM
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Or perhaps it's time to realize that 50-60% or more of your fellow citizens believe something very different than you?

Wow. You think 50-60% of the American population watch "news".

Fox has you baked.

English comprehension issues?

How does "believe something very different" equate to "watch news"?

 

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How do you know what have of the country believe? When was the last time you were polled. When was the last time 5 of your closest friends were polled? Polls are written to achieve an opinion the person paying for the poll wants to achieve.

 

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More pushing and pulling. Maybe once people realize that they control both sides of the argument, they won't let them pull the string on the yo-yo. Divide and conquer, works every time.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2013 at 04:25 AM
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert have made very long and successful careers doing nothing more than pointing out the Fox Network hypocrisy and inaccuracies on a daily basis.

 

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