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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 08:39 AM
Police: Australian player killed by 'bored' teens
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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — An Australian baseball player out for a jog in an Oklahoma neighborhood was shot and killed by three "bored" teenagers who decided to kill someone for fun, police said.

Christopher Lane, who was visiting the town of Duncan, where his girlfriend and her family live, had passed a home where the boys were staying and that apparently led to him being gunned down at random, Police Chief Danny Ford said Monday. A 17-year-old in the group has given a detailed confession to police, but investigators haven't found the weapon used in last week's shooting, the chief said.

That teen and the others — ages 15 and 16 — remain in custody, and Ford said the district attorney is expected to file first-degree murder charges Tuesday. It wasn't known if the three will be charged as adults or juveniles. They are to appear in court Tuesday afternoon.

"They saw Christopher go by, and one of them said: 'There's our target,'" Ford said. "The boy who has talked to us said, 'We were bored and didn't have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody.'"

He said they followed the 22-year-old Lane, a student from Melbourne attending college on a baseball scholarship, in a car and shot him in the back before driving off.

Ford told the television station KOCO in Oklahoma City that one of the teens said they shot Lane for "the fun of it."

"He didn't deserve any of this," Lane's girlfriend, Sarah Harper, told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. "It's heartbreaking that it was such a random choice those guys made that drastically altered so many lives in the process."

Witnesses rushed to help Lane after hearing a shot Friday and seeing him stagger and collapse on a road in Duncan, a south-central Oklahoma town of about 24,000 residents.

"He was face down on the ground and he was shot in the back with a .22 revolver," builder Richard Rhodes told Australian broadcasters near a roadside memorial at the scene. "I had another lady stop and we tried CPR on him. And he passed away right here."

Harper said she and Lane had only returned to the United States from Australia last week.

Lane attended East Central University in Ada, about 85 miles west of Duncan. He started 14 games at catcher last year and was entering his senior year.

"He was an absolute joy to coach," baseball coach Dino Rosato said in a statement issued by the school. "Chris was an extremely well-respected teammate. ... He set a great example for all of his teammates, but more importantly for the younger players. He was a mature student-athlete who his teammates could look to for advice and support."

Peter Lane told Australian broadcasters there was no explanation for his son's death.

"It is heartless and to try to understand it is a short way to insanity," he said.

Ford wouldn't say how many times Christopher Lane was shot. Autopsy results are pending.

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 09:16 AM
This has happened before; remember Leopold & Loeb?
 

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This has happened before; remember Leopold & Loeb?

Or Israel Keyes. Unfortunately "thrill kills" are not that unusual.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 10:17 AM
Absolutely -- the 1979 shooting in San Diego where the girl said she shot people because "I don't like Mondays"

 

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This has happened before; remember Leopold & Loeb?


I understand your point but that kidnap and murder was planned for months. There was a potential ransom etc.

This recent killing just shocked me because it was three teens who were just bored. Spur of the moment. I mean not one of them thought it was not a good idea? Incredible.

When I was their age and me and my friends were bored we went down to the railroad station, put pennies on the tracks and hoped nobody saw us.


 

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 12:25 PM
The assailants were black. The victim was white. The authorities say it was not racially motivated. There are some gang related overtones. Were the roles reversed, would that assertion be accepted? Not very likely...

I wonder if the assailants would have shot the guy had be been black? We'll likely never know, but rest assured if there were three white kids who gunned down a black man, the outcry would be enormous were it truly random or not.

It's the state of the society in which we live.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/three-teens-accused-of-murder-of-baseball- player-chris-lane-identified/story-fni0fiyv-1226700172461

 

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 02:20 PM
Looks like more Black on White hate crime, oh wait, I am sorry that is only when its White on Black, this is Social Justice.



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This has happened before; remember Leopold & Loeb?


I understand your point but that kidnap and murder was planned for months. There was a potential ransom etc.

This recent killing just shocked me because it was three teens who were just bored. Spur of the moment. I mean not one of them thought it was not a good idea? Incredible.

When I was their age and me and my friends were bored we went down to the railroad station, put pennies on the tracks and hoped nobody saw us.





Agree it was a level worse; merely saying that the psychology is similar. Tools are better now.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 04:59 PM
read an article earlier where one of the kids own mother stated they were "gang wannabes"
sad story indeed

 

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  posted on 8/20/2013 at 09:53 PM
It's boring having guns and never getting to kill anyone with them.
 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 08:52 AM
And in our society of "positive re-enforcement" I'm sure their parents told them they did a good job aiming the gun.
 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 11:27 AM
What's interesting is how the article does not mention the race of the perps. We ALL know it would be trumpeted to high heaven if the gunmen had been white and victim black. I don't know if the case had racial overtones or not. All I know is that when the victim is black and the perp white (or white hispanic) it is ASSUMED to be racially motivated and blown up into a huge national disaster with commentary from the president and need for a "conversation about race." It's ridiculous. In this case it appears that teenage thugs and gangbangers decided to kill someone, they had illegal guns and spouted their criminal lifestyle all over their Facebook pages. This is perhaps the national conversation we should be having not why there is still anti-black racism.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 11:39 AM
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We ALL know it would be trumpeted to high heaven if the gunmen had been white and victim black.

Really? And how do we ALL know that exactly?

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All I know is that when the victim is black and the perp white (or white hispanic) it is ASSUMED to be racially motivated and blown up into a huge national disaster with commentary from the president and need for a "conversation about race."

Bull. I believe YOU are letting your own bias distort your perception of reality.

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In this case it appears that teenage thugs and gangbangers decided to kill someone, they had illegal guns and spouted their criminal lifestyle all over their Facebook pages. This is perhaps the national conversation we should be having not why there is still anti-black racism.

I agree that the glorification of the criminal/gang lifestyle deserves more dialog that had gotten, but not at the expense of other issues that have a grip on our country, racism being one of them. In fact I'm not convinced the two are related.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 12:04 PM

Send em to Australia for a kangaroo stomping and death by dijeridoo.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 12:12 PM
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We ALL know it would be trumpeted to high heaven if the gunmen had been white and victim black.

Really? And how do we ALL know that exactly?




We don't know that exactly, but chances are that would be the case. In some ways, I agree with Doug here.

Let's say it was three southern white boys with ties to some organization with a vioent reputation who gunned down a black guy just out for a jog.

The Martin case, after all, was made into a racial issue by the media and race baiters. Why is this not the case for this incident? Your anwer in itself indicates a bias of your own making.

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The Martin case, after all, was made into a racial issue by the media and race baiters. Why is this not the case for this incident? Your anwer in itself indicates a bias of your own making.


Granted, we are all influenced by our own biases in everything we do. That said, on the surface the answer seems quite simple to me...there are many more cases of crime with perpatrators and victims of different races that are not made into national events than are. The Martin case was an exception, not the rule*. How many similar cases can you name (off the top of your head, don't google) that have been made into major national media events like the Martin case was? Someone asked the question (in one of the umpteen other threads here about this case) about why this case as opposed to others, and I don't know that anyone has come up with a good answer for that.

Regarding the Martin case, I was in FL when it happened so I knew all about it long before it became national news and one thing I can tell you for sure is that the role of race was an issue in this case from the outset. It was not invented by the media or the so-called race baiters...they may have racheted up the volume and made it a national issue, but it was a racially-charged case long before that. Why so many people want to just brush that part of this case aside as if it is irrelevent or not an issue worthy of continuing dialog is beyond me.


* Per this Wiki page: According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database, in 2010 58% of hate crime offenders were latino or white, 18% of offenders were black, 8.9% were of individuals of multiple races and 1% of offenders were Native Americans. The report also reveals that 48% of all hate crime offenders were motivated by the victim's race, while 18% were based on the victim's religion, and another 18% were based on the victim's sexual orientation. The report states that among hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias, and 5% were of anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias. I know there are no actual counts just percenatges cited there, but nonetheless it leads me to believe is that there are a lot of white-on-black crimes that we never hear about for whatever reason. And per this article (not sure how accurate it is), there were over 55k cases of white on black crime in the FBI database in 2007. How many of those become news at any level, and in particular at the national level to the same extent of the Martin case? Zero? One? Two? Ten? Twenty? I have no idea, but based on my own recollections I can't see how it can be more than an infinitesimal percentage of the total.



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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 02:02 PM
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Just buy a video game.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 02:50 PM
Of course you can't be positive, but it would be a valid working hypothesis that these ignorant scumbags singled out the white guy and shot him, because one of their pop music idols told them that it was cool to wear falling down pants, twist their cap sideways and pop a cap in a white cracker.

And, uncomfortable though it is, yes, there is a media bias toward pretending that minorities are not racist and capable of racial hate crime. This bias is a post Civil Rights Movement reaction to the horrors of yesteryear, slavery, lynchings and Jim Crow and all. Sure, in a perfect world there would be a balanced unbiased view, but it isn't, and if there has to be a bias, which there will always be one way or the other, I would prefer the current bias against the bigoted bias of the old days. Two wrongs don't make a right. At least one side is trying to be sympathetic, for once in history. And that's the side I want to be on.

Racially motivated or not, this was murder, and these dogs are going to swing for it, so it works out. It doesn't look like any blacks are trying to blame the Australian guy for wandering around in the wrong neighborhood glazed on skittles and iced tea. At any rate I'm not about to start belly-aching because blacks are racist against whites. Everyone is racist against everyone else, and classist, and sexist, age-ist. Fine, I don't give a sh*t, that's their illness. Getting all upset about what racist idiots think of you is the first step toward becoming what they think you are. Allowing their identity to stick to you.

The best we can do is try to educate the kids out of it, which has been happening in schools since the 70's, but their parents' ideas will win. Throwing more race hate into the media is not going to help anything,. So let the blacks have their century of post-Movement backlash, but some time soon they are going to have to shoulder some of the responsibility for all this.

Maybe a side question here, but:

Trailer parks full of Euro-American unemployed heavily armed ignorant toothless Deliverance-type meth-addled people-without-color (ok ok, isn't it just easier to say White Trash?) aside, why is it that minorities feel comfortable moving into white neighborhoods, and not vice versa? A Muslim family from the Middle East just moved in across the street from us, no problem, but it is a safe bet that wherever they came from sure wouldn't be very welcoming to our family.

This may all be a class issue more than a race issue, but the way I see it there is a lot more black crime, period, against all races, including themselves. So I don't think it is primarily racially motivated, it is just ignorance and violence by people who are trapped in the lowest strata of society, that only their best and brightest can rise above, while the average person doesn't have the wits to generate the means to escape the cycle. Whether or not they are complicit in their own undoing is a subject for another debate. Mostly I think people who aren't very sharp are pretty much stuck where they are at. And if they are unemployed and on crack and armed, watch out.

Maybe some honesty from all sides would help matters:
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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 03:14 PM
Scotty, alan, as I said before in other post, your post is pointless.

Blacks, Whites, Black on crime, White on White, etc. is all the same and that is a crime.

This situation here is not a problem and is realy very easy to solve.

These criminals need to get the needle just to see what it is like. OR they need to sit the electric chair and have that someone hit that switch just to see. That is all.
I wonder , jsut curious, as I am sure they are too, just , you know, get the Death Penalty because we as a society are kind of bored. I know I am bored. The murdered victims ' family is kind of bored too and really don't have anything to that day, no big plans that day but watch these things get the needle or have a seat in the chair.


Case closed. Lights out for these criminal things.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 03:35 PM
I am no longer going to be silent on "Black Racism" in this country. The crimes committed by Blacks are astronomically disproportionate to any other group of people in this country. Don't feed me the "poverty causes crime" garbage line either because many people have been poor and/or come here poor and flourished.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 03:39 PM
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You really think so? I would imagine they are keenly interested in this event and are finding it to be quite a stimulating experience.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2013 at 03:48 PM
snarl hiss spit. the photos you posted remind me of that old Sesame Street song:

"One of these things is not like the other
One of these things is not the same
If you guess which thing is not like the other
Then its time to play our game"

Nobody's asking you to be silent about racism. Just like I won't be silent about your obvious poisonous hatred of blacks, thinly veiled as a desire for equal opportunity racism by both blacks and whites. Clear you're spoiling for a Manson-style HelterSkelter race and religious war, by the way you seethe.

 

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Jesse Jackson tweets that killing of Chris Lane ‘frowned upon’

Thanks Jesse!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/08/21/jesse-jacks on-tweets-that-killing-of-chris-lane-frowned-upon/

 

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We ALL know it would be trumpeted to high heaven if the gunmen had been white and victim black.

Really? And how do we ALL know that exactly?

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All I know is that when the victim is black and the perp white (or white hispanic) it is ASSUMED to be racially motivated and blown up into a huge national disaster with commentary from the president and need for a "conversation about race."

Bull. I believe YOU are letting your own bias distort your perception of reality.

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In this case it appears that teenage thugs and gangbangers decided to kill someone, they had illegal guns and spouted their criminal lifestyle all over their Facebook pages. This is perhaps the national conversation we should be having not why there is still anti-black racism.

I agree that the glorification of the criminal/gang lifestyle deserves more dialog that had gotten, but not at the expense of other issues that have a grip on our country, racism being one of them. In fact I'm not convinced the two are related.


With due respect. If you are going to say that the cold blooded execution of a black man by a group of whites would not scream RACISM nationally after what we have seen this past year then I don't know what to tell you. No one said it needs to be at the expense of anything. The point is that to people who think like the president (much of the left) pointing out ANYTHING other than white racism detracts from that issue. It's all racism all the time. If the president wanted to make a huge difference in a way that would get NOBODY mad at him except the Sharptons and the Reverend Wrights, he would make a speech deploring the gang violence and lack of human decency and dignity that has effected the inner cities in so many places and tell his people (since as he likes to point out they could be his sons or even him 30 years ago) to stop blaming their problems on American society and start taking a look inward.

But that is against his basic ideology which is that black problems are caused by whites.

 

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The Martin case, after all, was made into a racial issue by the media and race baiters. Why is this not the case for this incident? Your anwer in itself indicates a bias of your own making.


Granted, we are all influenced by our own biases in everything we do. That said, on the surface the answer seems quite simple to me...there are many more cases of crime with perpatrators and victims of different races that are not made into national events than are. The Martin case was an exception, not the rule*. How many similar cases can you name (off the top of your head, don't google) that have been made into major national media events like the Martin case was? Someone asked the question (in one of the umpteen other threads here about this case) about why this case as opposed to others, and I don't know that anyone has come up with a good answer for that.

Regarding the Martin case, I was in FL when it happened so I knew all about it long before it became national news and one thing I can tell you for sure is that the role of race was an issue in this case from the outset. It was not invented by the media or the so-called race baiters...they may have racheted up the volume and made it a national issue, but it was a racially-charged case long before that. Why so many people want to just brush that part of this case aside as if it is irrelevent or not an issue worthy of continuing dialog is beyond me.


* Per this Wiki page: According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database, in 2010 58% of hate crime offenders were latino or white, 18% of offenders were black, 8.9% were of individuals of multiple races and 1% of offenders were Native Americans. The report also reveals that 48% of all hate crime offenders were motivated by the victim's race, while 18% were based on the victim's religion, and another 18% were based on the victim's sexual orientation. The report states that among hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias, and 5% were of anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias. I know there are no actual counts just percenatges cited there, but nonetheless it leads me to believe is that there are a lot of white-on-black crimes that we never hear about for whatever reason. And per this article (not sure how accurate it is), there were over 55k cases of white on black crime in the FBI database in 2007. How many of those become news at any level, and in particular at the national level to the same extent of the Martin case? Zero? One? Two? Ten? Twenty? I have no idea, but based on my own recollections I can't see how it can be more than an infinitesimal percentage of the total.



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We brush it aside because there is zero evidence that Zimmerman acted out of a racial motive. Again, the only racial element is that Trayvon Martin, though not in the same league as these monsters who shot an innocent man, was an admirer of the thuggish lifestyle and what impact this may have had on what ultimately happened. The ONLY reason that case was racially charged, as you put it, is because people somewhere,somehow, decided that a black victim and a white (hispanic) shooter means racism. And I have never heard of a case in recent years where whites killed an innocent black in cold blood that didn't become not only a national story but an indictment of America as a whole. Maybe its time for a national conversation on why gang culture appeals to so many youths in the African American community and what needs to be done to stop it.

 

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