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  posted on 8/25/2013 at 10:04 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402012/U-S-set-launch-missile-stri kes-Syrian-regime-days-barbaric-chemical-attack-killed-1-300-civilians.html
When will The USA learn. Learn to stay out of other country's business?
When will we learn to leave th Middle East alone?

Let the UN and Arab nations police their own. Let the other world countries intervene.

Why did 9/11 happen? We we intefere in their business. They learn in utero Death to Americans.
Just stay they hell out of their business. That is family over there and you do not interfere with family.
Do you see Saudi Arabia , UAE, Dubai, etc. handling Syria? No.


Sorry but going there is a mistake.

I am about a most pro-military person you can find.
We are not suppose to throw our military in danger , no -won situatuions and we need to treat our military folks financially better.

[Edited on 8/26/2013 by SGirl]

 
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  posted on 8/25/2013 at 10:23 PM
The usual chicken hawks (mccain & graham)have had a hardon for war in Syria since day one.

Let them go fight it.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 12:37 AM
I doubt we'll make any major commitment for boots on the ground. Now sending cruise missiles into the various palaces, military bases, weapons depots, headquarters, etc. is another story altogether.

But hoping that anyone else will intervene is fantasy thinking. And if the Mideast gets any more out of hand - say revolution in Saudi Arabia or Jordan, or both - then we're facing the potential for serious worldwide chaos. I don't think we can stay completely out, no matter how much I'd like to see just that.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 08:12 AM
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I doubt we'll make any major commitment for boots on the ground. Now sending cruise missiles into the various palaces, military bases, weapons depots, headquarters, etc. is another story altogether.

But hoping that anyone else will intervene is fantasy thinking. And if the Mideast gets any more out of hand - say revolution in Saudi Arabia or Jordan, or both - then we're facing the potential for serious worldwide chaos. I don't think we can stay completely out, no matter how much I'd like to see just that.


It's easier said than done, but It wouldn't be fantasy thinking if we would once and for all stop being the world's go to policeman and insisted other nations pull some weight with such matters. It seems to me Syria is exactly the situation with which to start this new reality given there's no positive outcome for the US in this pissing match. Especially since we've grown less and less dependent upon the oil in the Middle East.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 08:30 AM
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The usual chicken hawks (mccain & graham)have had a hardon for war in Syria since day one.

Let them go fight it.


For as often as McCain blabs, 'I know war and nobody hates it more than I do' - he sure does not seem to mind having them.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 08:44 AM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2402012/U-S-set-launch-missil e-strikes-Syrian-regime-days-barbaric-chemical-attack-killed-1-300-civilian s.html
When will The USA learn. Learn to stay out of other country's business?
When will we learn to leave th Middle East alone?

Let teh UN and Arab nations police their own. Let the other world countries intervene.

Why did 9/11 happen? We we intefere in their business.
they learn in utero Death to Americans.
Just stay they hell out of their business. That is family over there and you do not interfere with family.
Do you Saudi Arabia , UAE, Dubai, etc. handling Syria? No.


Sorry but going there is a mistake.

I am about a most pro-military person you can find.
We are not suppose to throw our military in danger , no -won situatuions and we need to treat our military folks financially better.


There were many Americans who felt we should have stayed out of WWII. Leave Europe to fix it's own mess. There are consequences to staying out. There are political alliances, financial considerations, moral obligations etc.

We are a super power and with that comes obligations to help those who cannot help themselves. The problem is where to draw the line and improper motives.

Ask the citizens of Kuwait if they minded us getting involved in the Middle East. We are not, as many people say, the only country to get involved in hot spots around the globe.

Don't tell the military families in England that the U.S. is the only country to get involved in Middle East conflicts.

I wish we could stick our heads in the sand without consequence but that is a fantasy. In reality......we are in and it is not always wrong.

[Edited on 8/26/2013 by lovelead]

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 11:03 AM
Sorry, but the only thing "Super" about our nation is our huge and super expensive military and super sized national debt. A super large part of that national debt being the maintenance and cost of our super large military.

Now, I'm not suggesting we return to the status of pre war WWII, but clearly the US needs to reign in its overseas presence and footprint and get its own house in order. The nation is crumbling from within yet we have leaders in Congress who want yet another foreign escapade that will primarily benefit the war profiteers and no one else.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 11:49 AM
I wonder if a candidate could be elected President on the platform of all-out development of American oil and gas so that we don't have to rely on anything from the mideast, building of refineries so that we have excess capacity, and the conversion of some trucking and autos to natural gas. I wonder if the national security, jobs, and economic sense of that would convince enough people that it should be our national agenda so that we could wash our hands of the mideast.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 01:06 PM
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I wonder if a candidate could be elected President on the platform of all-out development of American oil and gas so that we don't have to rely on anything from the mideast, building of refineries so that we have excess capacity, and the conversion of some trucking and autos to natural gas. I wonder if the national security, jobs, and economic sense of that would convince enough people that it should be our national agenda so that we could wash our hands of the mideast.


Good question....However, given the literally trillions of dollars at stake with the status quo, I wonder if the Hawks in both parties as well as the beneficiaries of the military/industrial/congressional/security complex would even allow someone with such a platform to gain any traction whatsoever on the national stage. A lot of money is made by a relatively select few defending the Middle East fiefdoms from whatever boogie man they create at any given time. Any threat to that would, I believe, come under some serious pressure from the interests making all the money.

 

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Sorry, but the only thing "Super" about our nation is our huge and super expensive military and super sized national debt. A super large part of that national debt being the maintenance and cost of our super large military.

Now, I'm not suggesting we return to the status of pre war WWII, but clearly the US needs to reign in its overseas presence and footprint and get its own house in order. The nation is crumbling from within yet we have leaders in Congress who want yet another foreign escapade that will primarily benefit the war profiteers and no one else.


I spent 25 years traveling all over the globe. I never said this country is perfect but it is super in many ways. Unless you actually spend time living around the world you won't see it. There are some wonderful countries on this planet but there are a whole lot more that suck in every possible way. The only one thing they all have in common is that the average person is decent and is just trying to have a good life with their family.

I have been in many places that had me kissing the ground (literally) when I got home. I thought that was silly until it happened to me the first time and then I understood.

 

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Sorry, but the only thing "Super" about our nation is our huge and super expensive military and super sized national debt. A super large part of that national debt being the maintenance and cost of our super large military.

Now, I'm not suggesting we return to the status of pre war WWII, but clearly the US needs to reign in its overseas presence and footprint and get its own house in order. The nation is crumbling from within yet we have leaders in Congress who want yet another foreign escapade that will primarily benefit the war profiteers and no one else.


I spent 25 years traveling all over the globe. I never said this country is perfect but it is super in many ways. Unless you actually spend time living around the world you won't see it. There are some wonderful countries on this planet but there are a whole lot more that suck in every possible way. The only one thing they all have in common is that the average person is decent and is just trying to have a good life with their family.

I have been in many places that had me kissing the ground (literally) when I got home. I thought that was silly until it happened to me the first time and then I understood.


Of course....I merely object to the term "Super Power" as I think it is an irrelevant term and a relic from the Cold War too often bantered about in a completely different context than when it was first invented.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 01:18 PM
Syria has a lot of oil. Whoever gets their hooks in first gets the oil. The US has never cared about anything or anyone unless our national interest was threatened in some way.

Even if we could become energy independent, which fracking will never achieve, we still can't let the other guys get the oil, or they will turn around and kick our *ss with it.

Your own gas pedal is the trigger that fires the gun that kills the Arabs for their oil. You don't have to be happy about it, but you might as well face the fact that you are a pirate.

 

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Syria has a lot of oil. Whoever gets their hooks in first gets the oil. The US has never cared about anything or anyone unless our national interest was threatened in some way.

Even if we could become energy independent, which fracking will never achieve, we still can't let the other guys get the oil, or they will turn around and kick our *ss with it.

Your own gas pedal is the trigger that fires the gun that kills the Arabs for their oil. You don't have to be happy about it, but you might as well face the fact that you are a pirate.


You do realize China got, by far, most of the oil in Iraq despite all the money we pumped down that rat hole? To top it off, it's our Naval fleet, and the billions per year it costs, that is defending the shipping lanes in the Middle East that allows China to get that oil.

So any time some politician, pundit, think tank in Washington or elsewhere claims getting the oil is the be all end all, I always consider what other interests benefit from our global police efforts.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 01:40 PM

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 02:36 PM
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You do realize China got, by far, most of the oil in Iraq despite all the money we pumped down that rat hole? To top it off, it's our Naval fleet, and the billions per year it costs, that is defending the shipping lanes in the Middle East that allows China to get that oil.


Of course I realize that, and I also realize that China has owned us for quite a while and we are nothing but their attack dogs.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 02:57 PM
Given the Secretary of State's comments this afternoon, I would expect a military strike against the Assad regime very, very soon. The use of chemical weapons changes everything.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 03:16 PM
personally i would prefer we did nothing. i'm not sure who used the chemical weapons and i'd have a hard time believing anyone who said they did know. all the actors in syria are bad. i don't believe the situation there is so bad that the entire world needs to get involved yet.
 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 03:17 PM
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You do realize China got, by far, most of the oil in Iraq despite all the money we pumped down that rat hole? To top it off, it's our Naval fleet, and the billions per year it costs, that is defending the shipping lanes in the Middle East that allows China to get that oil.

But China has also bought about $1.5 trillion in our debt, and continue to trade with us in dollars. All of which becomes more worthless every day as we debase our currency.

I might be more worried about the fact that because of it's one-child domestic policy, China has an imbalance of about 300 million more young men than young women. An imbalance which could probably be cured more easily via war than anything they can do domestically. So if we exit, they have the motive and means to fill the resulting vacuum. Do we want them controlling the sea lanes in and out of the Mideast? Not unless we free ourselves first of dependency on Mideast oil.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 03:46 PM
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Why the hell do we give Israel $3.1 BILLION????

 

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Why the hell do we give Israel $3.1 BILLION????


That chart represents raw value in dollars. We give that much to Israel to aid in her defense via the usual defense costs...equipment, consultantcy, etc...

 

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Why the hell do we give Israel $3.1 BILLION????


That chart represents raw value in dollars. We give that much to Israel to aid in her defense via the usual defense costs...equipment, consultantcy, etc...


Let them defend themselves.

No way we should pay for it.

 

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Why the hell do we give Israel $3.1 BILLION????


Ask dougrhon. He'll tell you.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 05:29 PM
loveland, WWI and WWII were differnt.
HpotoRoan adn Brer , I agree.
Can we jsut call this waht it is?
American big companies, Democratic and Republican , want that oil.

Piriate ius agood word to use.
This has nothing to do with those poor dead people.

Fuj, I and others are not fantasy thinking.
Leave 'em alone.
Whatof this do we here in this country not un derstnad?
The Middle East is one palce, sorry, that will never be conquered.
The people there are taught in utero Death to Americans.
Sorry, but how the palnet was formed, it just so happened there lies billions of oil and in Africa too.

As far as Saudi Arabia falling and Jordan, so what.
The USA has no allies there.
Arabs , unlike stupid racist Americans of Black and Whoite, they stick together.

We should have never entered war with Iraq and Saddam over Kuwait.
That is family. Stay the hell out.
Let them do their own thing to their own.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 05:34 PM
We always have enough money to start wars, build new advanced weaponry that will be worthless in a terrorist attack, subsidize big oil and corporate farms. But money for healthcare and feeding the poor,,, not so much.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 05:37 PM
So true Peach.
Also, the old line of Human Rights abuses is a line to feed us.
Human Rights Absuses.

Well, China has HRA.
China also freely sides with North Korea.
China owns us and makes fun of us.

Many other countries have HRA.
Russia has HRA.
The Phillipines has HRA.

 
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