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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 07:05 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2405796/Fast-food-strikes-Hundreds- workers-walk-US-demanding-15-hour-pay.html

Common sense. Fairness.
There is nothing hard to understand here.
It is good to have a job doing any legal, honest work. It is your job and do it well and correctly and with pride.
I do not make fun of ones ' job.
I was a receptionist before and the poor fools, demeaning and belittlling never understood the recept /secretary is who they see and hear first. If you are condescending, and esp. if you are looking for a job or some contract with the company, guess who delays you? Guess who tells the BIGMAN that you were an azzhole so to speak?
Unn-huh!! The lowly recpt/secretary.
Hey, I am , was already in. The nasty person wanted to get in, LOL!!!

All jobs make the ecomony move and all jobs make society.

Some jobs do not have much job growth. If you have a job that does not have much job growth, advancment in pay, then look for one that does. Apply yourself for one that does.

We all are not going to mulitmillionaires from our jobs. Most of us don't want to be. Romney had that wrong. If one does, then you certainly would not be a : school teacher, fast food worker, janitor, city bus driver , RN, computer tech person , etc.

Fast food employees should be paid, as all service jobs, minimum wage.
Along with that, some kind of health benefits.
Restaurant waitstaff should be paid miminum wage for a real regular paydayand not rely on tips. Tipping should be an aditional thing. Also, some kind of HC.
Everyone should have some kind of HC from their jobs. Be it at a low cost for govt. HC for something if their jobs do not offer any HC Be it paying into a private HC carrier if they can afford it.
Many people pay into a private HC carrier from their jobs which emplyee thousands of people, tens of thousands of people.
Many people do not have that.

Back to FF strikers. Their wages are good .
I mean not to insult anyone. For the job they do and for what is required, their wages are fine.
If you are to increase their wages to $15 an hour, then you increase wages across the board.
So school teachers will earn $65,000 a year on average to start. RN's can earn $100,000 to start.
On and.

$15 and hour for fast food places. Well, then that is about $10.00 less on average than some careers where one needs a BA. such as a school teacher.

$15 an hour, well, then other jobs and careers need increases and prices will go up on things across the board too. Prices on average for things will double, triple.
Make that Chick-fil-a sandwich from $2.35 to $5.35. City newspaper at $10.00 a copy.
$4.00 for a soda. Make gas $6.49 a gallon.
A new basic, simple,lower priced , new car from $23,000 to $43,000 and so on.
Everything will go up double: pays and prices.

I understand about the cost of living. A city bus driver in NYC probably earns more than one in Baton Rouge , LA.

Still, you cannot have wages sort of blend into each other for all jobs. What would be the point. FF would , at an average of $15 an hour blend into school teachers, on average.
I do not think I left anything point uncovered. This is a common sense thing.
The mimimum wage for now is still a good deal.


It has gone up as the cost of living has gone up and will be at $10.00 an hour one day. Of course then, others in menial jobs, to college degreed jobs will see increases too and the cost things will greatly go up double, triple too.

We are not there just yet.

[Edited on 8/30/2013 by SGirl]

 
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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 07:43 PM
Fast food restaurant jobs have traditionally been part-time ventures for high school students and teenagers. These are non-skilled jobs and have never been intended to be supporters of entire families.

Enter the labor unions and we"ll have $8.00 Big Macs ... Which will result in diners choosing full-service restaurants for the same money.

Unions have been successful in sending manufacturing jobs overseas. Maybe they will be successful in sending fry cook jobs out of the country as well. Just doing their part to reverse the national obesity problem!

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 08:17 PM
Keeping the minimum wage at the lowest possible level is an old ploy used by the Supply side/ Trickle down types to stuff the pockets of the CEO's. Funny how these right to work states have the lowest median incomes and largest percentage of uninsured people and highest percentage on unemployment and food stamps.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 08:24 PM
I heard today that, when MLK gave his "I Have a Dream" speech the minimum wage was $2 an hour. Adjusted for today that comes out to be $13 an hour.

I didn't see a graphic comparing CEO pay then and now.

Who do you reckon is doing better?

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 09:18 PM
So much of these goes even further to tie into healthcare reform. How in the world can anyone afford health care on these wages? And; don't think that the wait staff is paid much better in diners and the like. How many higher end restaurateurs have been sued for not even letting their staff take home all their tips? As Billy mentioned this doesn't have to bring $5 Big Macs - maybe execs not making 5 million a year.
 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 09:52 PM
On striking low-wage workers: A critical role for consumers
By Arne L. Kalleberg

The strikes by fast-food workers this week across the United States are not merely disgruntled employees seeking higher pay. These actions reflect a growing desperation with and frustration over our current economic system.

The strikes at fast-food restaurants like McDonald’s and Burger King, as well as by employees of big-box retailers such as Wal-Mart, call attention to the alarming growth of low-wage work in the United States. Indeed, almost a quarter of all jobs in America now pay wages below the poverty line for a family of four. The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that seven out of 10 of the fastest-growing occupations in the next decade will be low wage – many of them in the fast-food and big-box retail industries. Moreover, low wages often coincide with a lack of health insurance and other benefits and too few hours to support families. Fast-food workers work only 24 hours a week on average.

Sure, this growth of low-wage jobs is not a new phenomenon: The last several decades have witnessed a growing polarization between high-wage and low-wage jobs, as the relatively well-paying manufacturing and white-collar service jobs that built the American middle class have disappeared.

Stagnant and poverty-level wages earned by those who are fortunate enough to be working in this economy have long had deleterious consequences for the economy, society and political life. But what marks these strikes as different is their magnitude; thousands of workers in hundreds of restaurants in every corner of this country are saying enough is enough.

Fast-food companies and big-box retailers are more than capable of providing higher wages and benefits to their employees. These chains are profitable and have recovered from the recession, reporting higher revenues and more cash than before the financial crisis.

McDonald’s, for example, made $5.46 billion in profits in 2012, a 27 percent increase over five years; Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer, earned $17 billion in profits in 2012. The CEOs of these companies have been compensated handsomely for these gains, but not their employees and sales associates.


Increasing the wages of these fast-food and big-box retail employees to something in the neighborhood of $15 an hour would help them lift their families out of poverty and enter the middle class. It would also stimulate the economy, as these folks are likely to spend this money on basic necessities, thereby creating demand for products and encouraging the creation of more jobs. More, it would increase tax revenues for the state and nation, and reduce the dependence of these employees on public assistance of various forms.

Importantly, such increases would come at relatively little cost to consumers. A report prepared by the staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that if Wal-Mart workers were paid $12 an hour, for example, and if Wal-Mart passed on all the costs to consumers, the cost for the average Wal-Mart shopper would rise only by an average of 46 cents per trip or $12.49 per year.

What will it take to improve the conditions of low-wage workers? The government can do a little, by increasing the minimum wage from the current level of $7.25. However, the opposition to President Obama’s modest proposal to increase the minimum wage to $9 highlights the political obstacles involved.

The key force is the consumer, who has become the central figure in our service economy. Consumers can pressure businesses to act in ways that benefit not just their shareholders but communities and stakeholders more generally. While we all like bargains and “good deals,” it is important to remember that relatively small sacrifices from consumers would benefit considerably those who supply our services – and ultimately ourselves.

As the low-wage movement continues to grow, it behooves us as consumers and as Americans to support the workers.

Arne L. Kalleberg is Kenan Distinguished Professor of Sociology at the University of North Carolina and Chapel Hill.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/08/28/3144511/on-striking-low-wage-workers -a.html

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 10:09 PM
$5.46 billion?

Can't wrap my mind around that much money.

Where does it go?

Why can't more go to the employees?

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 11:03 PM
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Importantly, such increases would come at relatively little cost to consumers. A report prepared by the staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that if Wal-Mart workers were paid $12 an hour, for example, and if Wal-Mart passed on all the costs to consumers, the cost for the average Wal-Mart shopper would rise only by an average of 46 cents per trip or $12.49 per year.


Wal Mart operates on a profit margin of around 3%. In order to pay an associate $12/hr instead of $9/hr an additional $100+ in sales per hour would be necessary to cover that increase in pay, or $800+ for an 8-hour shift of one worker . I seriously doubt that a .46 cent price hike per shopper would come close to covering the proposed increase in labor costs.




[Edited on 8/30/2013 by alloak41]

 

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Importantly, such increases would come at relatively little cost to consumers. A report prepared by the staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that if Wal-Mart workers were paid $12 an hour, for example, and if Wal-Mart passed on all the costs to consumers, the cost for the average Wal-Mart shopper would rise only by an average of 46 cents per trip or $12.49 per year.


Wal Mart operates on a profit margin of around 3%. In order to pay an associate $12/hr instead of $9/hr an additional $100+ in sales per hour would be necessary to cover that increase in pay, or $800+ for an 8-hour shift of one worker . I seriously doubt that a .46 cent price hike per shopper would come close to covering the proposed increase in labor costs.




[Edited on 8/30/2013 by alloak41]


How about $6.00 for an order of medium fries? That should cover it!

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 12:06 AM
How about if you want a 15.00 an hour job, you educate yourself or learn the skills that are necessary to obtain a 15.00 an hour job.
 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 12:19 AM
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How about if you want a 15.00 an hour job, you educate yourself or learn the skills that are necessary to obtain a 15.00 an hour job.


In NY metro area, $15 an hour is NOT a living wage, $26 an hour is. If they raise the fast food workers salaries, they will just raise everything else up to keep the underclass down under everybody else who has that $150,000 year + income. Nothing changes.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 01:49 AM
$15 an hour?

Do you know what that would do to the average small bidness owner?

It would kill his biz. Dead, as in doors closed. Find work elsewhere, we are done.

 

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$15 an hour?

Do you know what that would do to the average small bidness owner?

It would kill his biz. Dead, as in doors closed. Find work elsewhere, we are done.


I guess I'm just the lone **** here. My mom always told me that if I didn't apply myself, I'd end up flipping burgers or frying chicken.

As much as I'd like for EVERYONE to live on a large scale, why should folks be paid for non skilled labor on the same scale as folks who worked hard to educate themselves or learn skilled trades? What IS my degree worth?

Remembered that fable, "who will help me plant the wheat? "not, I", said the pig ..."

This will only lead to inflation on a large scale, mark. My word.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 08:39 AM
Doesnt anyone watch pawn stars? They are asking for 15/hr but i am sure they will be happy to settle around 11-12/hr.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 08:44 AM
I agree that these jobs were never meant for family's to support a whole household they are a starting job for kids and college students who need a little work, this crap is what has ruined this country everyone wants to make huge bucks no matter what they do...... unions have wrecked this country, the most expensive piece of a car now is Labor!!!! and these insane wages have driven up everything else in the country to where it is impossible to live on less than huge bucks. I hope they strike all fast food out of existence it sux for your health and makes people fat good riddens....

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 08:54 AM
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That is (and should be) the most expensive part of just about any well-made product. Certainly is true where I work, and we are not a union shop.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 10:02 AM
[quote ]$5.46 billion?
Can't wrap my mind around that much money.

Where does it go?

Why can't more go to the employees?


If you started counting dollars and placing them in a neat pile ( "$1,$2,$3,....$5.46 billion) it would take you 174.72 years. Have fun counting!

( a Neanderthal in his cave doing the same $1 counting would just now be reaching 1 Trillion )

[Edited on 8/30/2013 by TanDan]

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 10:04 AM
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$5.46 billion?

Can't wrap my mind around that much money.

Where does it go?

Why can't more go to the employees?


Billy, please accept my reply in the spirit it was intended.

A very dear friend of mine lost his restaurant business in Birmingham several years ago when the downtown building that he operated in decided to jack his rent up to the point where making a profit was just no longer doable.

"where do all the "profits" go?

Well, there is the aforementioned rent., which can be very high.
There is liability insurance,as well as benefits for employees (yes, some of the fast food chains do offer insurance, 401k and others).
Then there is "shrinkage" - the term used to describe theft, sometimes by the employees themselves. My friend told me that some of his workers, when caught pilfering from the cash register or the stockroom seemed to feel that their low wages (they weren't hired at gunpoint) ENTITLED them to take things from time to time.
There are energy and utility bills to consider.

We tend to look at the top line rather than the bottom.

My buddy was very despondent at the time that his business went under. He tells me now, that in retrospect, getting out from under the responsibility and onus of barely breaking even might have been the best thing that ever happened to him.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 10:06 AM
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If you started counting dollars and placing them in a neat pile ( "$1,$2,$3,....$5.46 billion) it would take you 174.72 years. Have fun counting!


The last thirty years sure went fast.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 10:13 AM
"It's a damn short movie,
How'd we ever get here?"-----'Just Us Kids' James McMurtry

[Edited on 8/30/2013 by TanDan]

 

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I bet the majority of those about to strike were born after PATCO.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 06:01 PM
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How about if you want a 15.00 an hour job, you educate yourself or learn the skills that are necessary to obtain a 15.00 an hour job.

I wonder how many people just out of college(where they went in to dept to educate themselves) are either working at, or applying for work at fast food restaurants because they can't find ANY work, let alone good wages, in the field they were educated in?!

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 06:02 PM
another thing that is always overlooked is employer matching of your federal and ss.so that alone makes that $15/hr job cost the owner about $18.00.most people don't even know that happens.
 

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How about if you want a 15.00 an hour job, you educate yourself or learn the skills that are necessary to obtain a 15.00 an hour job.

I wonder how many people just out of college(where they went in to dept to educate themselves) are either working at, or applying for work at fast food restaurants because they can't find ANY work, let alone good wages, in the field they were educated in?!


I'm sure that they're quite a few, however, that still isn't a justification for paying skilled (for lack of a better term) wages for non skilled jobs. It is not restaurant owners responsibility to subsidize the unemployment problem in the country. They are doing their part by providing the jobs that they have in the first place.

[Edited on 8/31/2013 by er1016]

 
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