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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 02:13 PM
tomorrow they are going to rename English Muffins......Freedom Muffins"

and we no longer will speak English in the USA......we speak Freedom

 
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tomorrow they are going to rename English Muffins......Freedom Muffins"

and we no longer will speak English in the USA......we speak Freedom


But we still can have French fries, bread and toast.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 08:16 PM
This is laughable if it wasn't so typical of this gang. The POTUS paints himself in the corner with that 'Red Line' nonsense which he crossed once already
Now there will be a ' measured' response ... See Clinton's handful of missiles fired in response to the USA Cole bombing.

This guy has no stomach for this . It's hard to look tough when you're a community organizer .

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 09:21 AM
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This is laughable if it wasn't so typical of this gang. The POTUS paints himself in the corner with that 'Red Line' nonsense which he crossed once already
Now there will be a ' measured' response ... See Clinton's handful of missiles fired in response to the USA Cole bombing.

This guy has no stomach for this . It's hard to look tough when you're a community organizer .


+1 and less qualified than a Alaskan ex Governor..

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 10:03 AM
None of this should even be happening, should it? I thought Cowboy Bush was the problem and everything would calm down as soon as he was gone. All it would take was Barack sitting down and talking to guys like Bashar and everything would be fine...
 

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None of this should even be happening, should it? I thought Cowboy Bush was the problem and everything would calm down as soon as he was gone. All it would take was Barack sitting down and talking to guys like Bashar and everything would be fine...


It's a bigger conspiracy like I been saying since 2005 when I was awakened to what's really been going on here. World domination, handing every country over to the anti-Christ. The players doing it are the cabal of evil business leaders and tycoons who owe their wealth and positions to the Illuminati. It will take awhile for the world to catch up on this, but when they do, it will be too late. They will not be able to launch any type of meaningful rebellion or even defend themselves against the martial law that will be imposed upon them. All the legal methods to accomplish this have been being put in place. The most recent was the ratification of the Global Small Arms Treaty, giving the United Nations (who will become the one world governing power) the authority to order it to be so. The new global seat of this one world govt. will be Jerusalem, just as it was prophecied to be.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 12:07 PM
Now you will not hear a word about unilateralism (which we have now not under Bush) Nor a word about not going to the UN (which Bush did of course, we were enforcing UN resolutions) nor a word about not getting Congressional approval (which Bush did).

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 12:53 PM
This is an article from American Conservative contributer Daniel Larison. And btw, I couldn't agree more with the observation that Fran Macadam makes about "accountability".
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Fran Macadam says:

When the Parliamentary government that Americans rebelled against because it wasn’t accountable to the people, proves to be more accountable than America’s unitary executive, then former President Carter’s assessment of America being “no longer a functional democracy” shows as starkly true.


Personally, I think if Obama takes "military action" without the approval of Congress, then he needs to be "impeached", as he clearly violated his oath of office in defending the U.S. Constitution. Of course, we all know this will never happen, such as the "spine-less" nature of our Legislative Branch of Government.

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House of Commons Votes Down Motion for Military Action

By Daniel Larison • August 29, 2013, 6:19 PM

The House of Commons voted down the government motion to support military action against Syria:


British Prime Minister David Cameron has lost a vote endorsing military action against Syria by 13 votes, a stunning defeat for a government which had seemed days away from joining the U.S. in possible attacks to punish Bashar Assad’s regime over an alleged chemical weapons attack.

Cameron may now be regretting the decision to hold a vote on this, and it’s clearly something he would have preferred not to do, but he was right to do it anyway. Had he plunged Britain into yet another U.S.-led military intervention without a vote, no matter how brief it proved to be, he would have invited a huge political backlash from the opposition and from within his own party. If the U.S. is wrong to launch this attack, Britain has even less reason to be involved. While this will make the attack on Syria an almost purely American intervention, it is unfortunately not very likely to halt the attack or force a debate in Congress. The defeat for Cameron makes it that much more likely that Obama will proceed while ignoring Congress, since he won’t want to risk the same rebuke from our representatives. In truth, that rebuke would probably not be forthcoming, but it’s a chance that Obama isn’t going to want to take at this point. Despite the embarrassment for both Cameron and Obama that this vote represents, it is hard to imagine the administration won’t proceed with the attack because of this. This is good news for Britain, but regrettably won’t have much effect here except to cause a lot of whining about the state of the U.S.-British relationship.

The remarkable thing is that it has taken so long for British disillusionment with their government’s support for U.S. foreign wars to find expression among their political leaders. There was bound to be a price for our tendency to take British support for granted and to drag it into one war after another. The U.S.-U.K. relationship has been very one-sided and unhealthy for a long time, and there was going to be a reckoning sooner or later. Fortunately, it is coming in response to an unnecessary war rather than a more serious crisis.




 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 01:05 PM
The Brits and the rest of the world are pu$$ies!!! I have zero problem with us bombing the $hit out of Assad's missile sites, air fields, and whatever else that might help decimate his ability to use chemical weapons. Just no American boots on the ground. Bad precedent set if they go unpunished for using such evil weapons that the whole world deem outlawed. Nobody does anything now and they will use them whenever they want against whoever they want without fear of reprisal. No American boots on the ground and no taking sides in Syria's civil war. Just a strong message and punishment showing that the use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated!

 

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Now you will not hear a word about unilateralism (which we have now not under Bush) Nor a word about not going to the UN (which Bush did of course, we were enforcing UN resolutions) nor a word about not getting Congressional approval (which Bush did).



Yeah, with false and made up info. Unlike that bull$hit scenario we actually know that a crime against humanity has happened and who committed it. All of the Iraq info was foolish and incorrect assumption with zero actual evidence. Also, the UN are doing their investigation and today Obama said he is giving Congress all info and they will debate and vote on approval.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 01:48 PM
The English have spoken and we should respect that. They are not our lackeys.

Obama needs to respect the seperation of powers, something he seems to have a problem with. I can see him crying in the bedroom pounding the floor " They are not letting me rule, they are not letting me rule!! ". His wife freaks and picks up the phone, "Quick, Barry needs more face time on The View!".

 

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The Brits and the rest of the world are pu$$ies!!!



Nothing like a balanced, rational argument to smooth out the rough road to diplomacy.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 02:06 PM
Obama going before Congress.

http://rt.com/usa/obama-syria-strike-congress-259/

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 02:10 PM
A smart move politically speaking because I do not see a U.N. mandate on the horizon. If Congress says no then Obama can save face. If they say yes then what you have is a modern day equivalent to a "Declaration of War," then Obama can act unilaterally.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 03:18 PM
Hope they don't authorize action and we back away... It's not in our interest to separate the opposing parties IMHO...Let them duke it out.

Losing face should not be a concern, we haven't improved face too much with a Trillion $$$ or so spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.... Who wants to send their kids to these places to save our face?



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Nothing like a balanced, rational argument to smooth out the rough road to diplomacy.


Sorry but that is how I see it. If us and France are the only countries willing to enforce against what the whole world consider a use of banned and outlawed weapons against humanity then the rest of the world who would sit back and give Syria a complete pass are indeed a bunch of pu$$ies. Are we the only country with any morals left or do we let them go unpunished and pretty much say that chemical weapons are now allowed when an enemy feel cornered or threatened??? Next time they might be aimed at Turkey or Israel or at our troops somewhere. Also what message does Iran take from this if we were to let these horrid gas attacks go unpunished??? They will probably go into nuclear bomb production overload as well as feel that they too can use chemical weapons should they feel threatened. As long as there are no American boots on the ground I have no problem with us doing what is right and decent and moral.

 

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Now you will not hear a word about unilateralism (which we have now not under Bush) Nor a word about not going to the UN (which Bush did of course, we were enforcing UN resolutions) nor a word about not getting Congressional approval (which Bush did).



Yeah, with false and made up info. Unlike that bull$hit scenario we actually know that a crime against humanity has happened and who committed it. All of the Iraq info was foolish and incorrect assumption with zero actual evidence. Also, the UN are doing their investigation and today Obama said he is giving Congress all info and they will debate and vote on approval.


I stand corrected as he, apparently against the advice of his security team, has deigned to give Congress the opportunity to join in his crusade. It will be interesting to see what he does if Congress refuses as the British Parliament did. If he goes ahead anyway without a clear imminent threat to U.S. security I would say that would be an impeachable offense. I actually think the Libyan action without Congressional approval was an impeachable offense. There will likely never be another formal declaration of war again but it seems to have been commonly accepted, until this administration, that Congressional approval of the use of force is a constitutional substitute. But then Obama has never seen Congress as anything more than a nuisance or a target for blame as opposed to a co-equal branch of government.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 10:23 PM
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Nothing like a balanced, rational argument to smooth out the rough road to diplomacy. [/quote

Maybe Obama should tell them they are pussies. That might change their minds.

 

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Nothing like a balanced, rational argument to smooth out the rough road to diplomacy.


Sorry but that is how I see it. If us and France are the only countries willing to enforce against what the whole world consider a use of banned and outlawed weapons against humanity then the rest of the world who would sit back and give Syria a complete pass are indeed a bunch of pu$$ies. Are we the only country with any morals left or do we let them go unpunished and pretty much say that chemical weapons are now allowed when an enemy feel cornered or threatened??? Next time they might be aimed at Turkey or Israel or at our troops somewhere. Also what message does Iran take from this if we were to let these horrid gas attacks go unpunished??? They will probably go into nuclear bomb production overload as well as feel that they too can use chemical weapons should they feel threatened. As long as there are no American boots on the ground I have no problem with us doing what is right and decent and moral.


I don't understand. I thought we weren't the world's policeman. Now we are to punish another country for using a weapon we don't like? When they have been killing 4,000 a week for a year that's ok because they used conventional weapons? We have NO interest in this. Both sides are equally bad and this will not stop the death and atrocity. Obama should have never opened his undiplomatic trap last year and now he is cornered and he will make things worse. That is the only reason he is acting, to save face.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2013 at 11:16 PM
I cannot say it enough.

The United States of America has no right, no reason to enter war in the Syria or any country in the Middle East.
We should not have been there in 1991 for Kuwait.
We should not have been there in Iraq under Bush.
Not now in Syria.

Leave those people alone.
They are family and that is how that region lives and will live so until they kill each other or all of one side.
You stay out of family. They have lived like that since the time of Christ.
Earth was just formed that some of the bigest oil deposits are there.
Buy their oil for a fair pirce and get the hell out of there.

Our country would have bene so much better off over the decades if we would have learned that.
I was just a child, 5th or 6th grader when the Americans were taken hostage. The Atoyallh and people of Iran there wanted the Shah and family. So what. The USA should have let them have him. That is their family.

9/11 prehaps would have not happened if we would have learned to stay the hell out of their countries.

Let them poison gas, kill, each other. Let them mim the women. The Islamic faith and those people are so strong and the region has been in exisitance since Christ, for thousands of years. They region likes it that way.

Case in pint and I will post the link.
Mrs. Assad, a pretty White woman, yeah, she is White. She is not Black. Yeha, you can say Middle Eastern, Muslim, but she is White. Well, she , like all dictators, is living large at the expense of her people. $270,000 for chandeliers. Designer clothing....etc. the works.
When Assad and cronies get over thrown and they will one day, perhaps the people will be able to help themselves if there is not US interference which will only help the Assads.
Yes, help the Assads. They US interferring will make the Assads look like martyars. Look like going against eh evil empire of America when he is trying to be a father to his country and the Islamic world there and all of the other same propoganda that is said.

Mrs. Assad
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408054/As-Syria-implodes-Mrs-Assad -splashes-chandeliers-Western-food-fitness-fads-Bizarre-shopping-spree-Brit ish-beauty-holed-bunker-vile-dictator.html

Like the Shah. Gaddafi. Saddam .
Like other non-Middle East dictators: Michells and Baby Doc Duvillier, Marcos, etc.

[Edited on 9/1/2013 by SGirl]

 

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Nothing like a balanced, rational argument to smooth out the rough road to diplomacy.


Sorry but that is how I see it. If us and France are the only countries willing to enforce against what the whole world consider a use of banned and outlawed weapons against humanity then the rest of the world who would sit back and give Syria a complete pass are indeed a bunch of pu$$ies. Are we the only country with any morals left or do we let them go unpunished and pretty much say that chemical weapons are now allowed when an enemy feel cornered or threatened??? Next time they might be aimed at Turkey or Israel or at our troops somewhere. Also what message does Iran take from this if we were to let these horrid gas attacks go unpunished??? They will probably go into nuclear bomb production overload as well as feel that they too can use chemical weapons should they feel threatened. As long as there are no American boots on the ground I have no problem with us doing what is right and decent and moral.


I don't understand. I thought we weren't the world's policeman. Now we are to punish another country for using a weapon we don't like? When they have been killing 4,000 a week for a year that's ok because they used conventional weapons? We have NO interest in this. Both sides are equally bad and this will not stop the death and atrocity. Obama should have never opened his undiplomatic trap last year and now he is cornered and he will make things worse. That is the only reason he is acting, to save face.


I said I wanted no American boots on the ground. I also said I wasn't against using air power and or missiles if they could make an impact and take out Assad's ability to use chemical weapons. It is not just us who are against these weapons they are considered to be outlawed and illegal weapons by the whole world. If they go unpunished then they will use them more and more without fear of reprisal. Next time those gas bombs might be pointed right at Israel. I am all for destroying their air force, air fields, missile sites and anything else we can destroy that will decimate their ability to use chemical weapons. I also said if you read my posts that I don't want us taking any sides in their civil war. All I want is for them to know what happens when you use weapons of mass destruction that are outlawed by the entire world. No punishment = bad precedent IMO!

 

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None of this should even be happening, should it? I thought Cowboy Bush was the problem and everything would calm down as soon as he was gone. All it would take was Barack sitting down and talking to guys like Bashar and everything would be fine...


It's a bigger conspiracy like I been saying since 2005 when I was awakened to what's really been going on here. World domination, handing every country over to the anti-Christ. The players doing it are the cabal of evil business leaders and tycoons who owe their wealth and positions to the Illuminati. It will take awhile for the world to catch up on this, but when they do, it will be too late. They will not be able to launch any type of meaningful rebellion or even defend themselves against the martial law that will be imposed upon them. All the legal methods to accomplish this have been being put in place. The most recent was the ratification of the Global Small Arms Treaty, giving the United Nations (who will become the one world governing power) the authority to order it to be so. The new global seat of this one world govt. will be Jerusalem, just as it was prophecied to be.





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The Brits and the rest of the world are pu$$ies!!! I have zero problem with us bombing the $hit out of Assad's missile sites, air fields, and whatever else that might help decimate his ability to use chemical weapons. Just no American boots on the ground.


Pu$$ies ??? Are you f**kin' kidding? What is so courageous about "bombing the sh*t" out of people that can't bomb you back?
In the 60s British Prime Minister Harold Wilson had the balls to refuse to involve us in Vietnam, I wish Tony Blair had shown similar balls 10 years ago. Ironic to see the USAs only allies on this are the French y'all despise so much! Funny how times change eh?

 

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Blood and hair samples from eastern Damascus, Syria, have "tested positive for signatures of sarin" gas, Secretary of State John Kerry told CNN today.

http://on.cnn.com/QZYZDc

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 09:23 AM
Where was all this support for George W when saddam was gasing the kurds.... man this place jumps sides like a rat on a ship on fire right is right and wrong is wrong, I still say it is wrong BUT I also say now stay out of it bring all our troops home from this mess and let them have at it as long as they do not try and kill anyone outside of their own areas then let em have at it ..... then wait sooner or later someone will ask for help then give it don't cram it down their throats...

 

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