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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 04:31 AM
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]

[Edited on 9/13/2013 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 08:21 AM
quote:
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

People who believe that our govt. created 9/11 are without a doubt, the dumbest aholes on the planet. They are duped into thinking that they are intelligent because they can accept something that is out of the box. I only regret that I don't have a ponzi scheme going to clean them out of their savings. They certainly are dumb enough and gulible enough to fall for it. Oh well.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 03:39 PM
Quoting Herman Goering.. there's a lot of credibility but suit yourself. In America, you can believe what you want to believe.

"A controled demolition" That has to be one of the silliest things I've ever heard.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 04:03 PM
quote:
quote:
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away





You're not very original, are ya?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 04:20 PM
Do we get extra points for originality? Who knew?

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 04:30 PM
And, of course, douchebaggery deducts points.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 08:11 PM
quote:
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away





You're not very original, are ya?


You really are turning into a troll. You come across as being impressed with your own intelligence but you write like a jerk. Others have noticed it too.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 08:12 PM
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And, of course, douchebaggery deducts points.


Yes again. You really are turning into a troll. You come across as being impressed with your own intelligence but you write like a jerk. Others have noticed it too.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 09:06 PM
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away





You're not very original, are ya?


You really are turning into a troll. You come across as being impressed with your own intelligence but you write like a jerk. Others have noticed it too.


Yet you are the one who once was referred to as "Buffalo Springtroll"???

Check my post count, and most of the people who post here know how long I have been around. That YOU would refer to me as a troll is **** ing laughable.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2013 at 09:24 PM
And, I'm a **** ing genius. FYI

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 01:46 AM
quote:
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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...





[Edited on 9/11/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away





You're not very original, are ya?


You really are turning into a troll. You come across as being impressed with your own intelligence but you write like a jerk. Others have noticed it too.


Yet you are the one who once was referred to as "Buffalo Springtroll"???

Check my post count, and most of the people who post here know how long I have been around. That YOU would refer to me as a troll is **** ing laughable.


You are a troll. An old troll at that with lots of posts.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 01:55 AM
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And, I'm a **** ing genius. FYI


Idiot is more like it and a troll as well. Roaming threads with nothing to offer but sarcastic, non witty comments. Troll with a ton of threads. Most of the old trolls with a ton of posts have been driven off but a few of you remain hoping that what you say actually means something.

Vulgarity is against forum guidelines so you could care less about Rowland. Phony and a troll all in one.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 06:39 AM
I consider myself a reasonable and logical person. I've watched all the videos, read all the accounts, and I am further convinced now that the only people who brought down the WTC were a group of maniacal, murdering, religious fanatics whose skewed version of their religion took 3,000 people from us. There's no way that I can make a jump to even imagining that 9/11 was anything but that.

The horror of that thought notwithstanding, conspiracy theories are just that - they're theories. Additionally, they exist at the height of arrogance. The theorist implies that they are smarter than everyone else, and the only one capable of identifying the truth. Personally, I think that the implication that any suggestion that 9/11 was "an inside job," or "a controlled demolition" is ridiculous, crazy and offensive to all who were affected by the events that took place that day.



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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 07:50 PM
You really believe that some guy in a cave took those buildings down and that he was so elusive that it took almost ten years to track him down? They can pinpoint my door knob from outer space with a satellite and we couldn't track this guy down?

The late Benazhir Bhutto, murdered in cold blood, tells of Bin Ladens death in Tora Bora
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euK87Vr5B4U

Geraldo Rivera reports from Tora Bora in 2001 that Bin Laden is cornered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoxYm53nwic

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denounce the peacemakers for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger


Your faith in the media and your government is not surprising in the least.

Ralph Nader
"To the youth of America, I say, beware of being trivialized by the commercial culture that tempts you daily. I hear you saying often that you’re not turned on to politics. If you do not turn on to politics, politics will turn on you."

George W. Bush
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

I consider myself a reasonable person but the death of Bin Laden doesn't seem so reasonable.

- A crack team sent in to get the most wanted man in the world and he has no security
- The crack team can't bring him in alive, they have to shoot him in the face, so brutal that they won't release any pictures.
- The body, out of respect to the Muslims is thrown overboard at sea, so there is no evidence.
- The US government called this operation "Geronimo", for obvious reasons. You see, the US government screwed Geronimo, just like they did Bin Laden. See photo of Obama aid and confident Zbigniew Brzezinski arming Bin Laden against then USSR during the Afghan/USSR war. I wonder how long Bin Laden was on the payroll? I wonder how he felt once he realized he was being double crossed?








[Edited on 9/13/2013 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 08:25 PM
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You really believe that some guy in a cave took those buildings down and that he was so elusive that it took almost ten years to track him down? They can pinpoint my door knob from outer space with a satellite and we couldn't track this guy down?

The late Benazhir Bhutto, murdered in cold blood, tells of Bin Ladens death in Tora Bora
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euK87Vr5B4U

Geraldo Rivera reports from Tora Bora in 2001 that Bin Laden is cornered.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoxYm53nwic

quote:
denounce the peacemakers for a lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger


Your faith in the media and your government is not surprising in the least.

Ralph Nader
"To the youth of America, I say, beware of being trivialized by the commercial culture that tempts you daily. I hear you saying often that you’re not turned on to politics. If you do not turn on to politics, politics will turn on you."

George W. Bush
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."

I consider myself a reasonable person but the death of Bin Laden doesn't seem so reasonable.

- A crack team sent in to get the most wanted man in the world and he has no security
- The crack team can't bring him in alive, they have to shoot him in the face, so brutal that they won't release any pictures.
- The body, out of respect to the Muslims is thrown overboard at sea, so there is no evidence.
- The US government called this operation "Geronimo", for obvious reasons. You see, the US government screwed Geronimo, just like they did Bin Laden. See photo of Obama aid and confident Zbignew Brzinski arming Bin Laden against then USSR during the Afghan/USSR war. I wonder how long Bin Laden was on the payroll? I wonder how he felt once he realized he was being double crossed?






[Edited on 9/13/2013 by jerryphilbob]


Only idiots refer to Bin laden as, 'some guy in a cave' He was much more than a guy by himself in a cave. He was the top guy in a well organized and funded terrorist organization who was operating at times from mountain village hideouts and caves where he preferrred to be.

So stop this b.s. crap about him being some lone wolf in a cave. People like you who advocate this nonsense are nothing more than a bunch of imbeciles. Get a life and grow up.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 09:54 PM
Yes, Bin Laden was more than some guy in a cave, he was very well funded by the US Government. Obviously they didn't need him anymore, and he was taken out in Tora Bora, the cave he was hiding in.

Fire does not collapse buildings. It never has and it never will. 3 buildings collapsed from fire that day, please explain the physics behind this. Go!

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 10:48 PM
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Yes, Bin Laden was more than some guy in a cave, he was very well funded by the US Government. Obviously they didn't need him anymore, and he was taken out in Tora Bora, the cave he was hiding in.

Fire does not collapse buildings. It never has and it never will. 3 buildings collapsed from fire that day, please explain the physics behind this. Go!


Sounds like you've never built a camp fire. Good bet you never heard of Dresden, Hamburg, or the Tokyo raid in March, 1945 and its significance. Then again, if you have all the answers, why don't you "explain the physics behind this. Go!"


[Edited on 9/13/2013 by StratDal]

 

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  posted on 9/12/2013 at 10:58 PM
buildings burn down, high rise buildings don't collapse from fire. Big difference.

The Bombing of Dresden was an attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, that took place in the final months of the Second World War in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city. The resulting firestorm destroyed fifteen square miles of the city centre. Between 22,700 and 25,000 people were killed.

This vs. two airplanes and 3,000 people and 3 high rise buildings collapsing. I see the connection.





[Edited on 9/13/2013 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 9/13/2013 at 10:04 AM
NOVA News Minutes
Deconstructing the Towers' Collapse

May 3, 2002

To many who witnessed the horrific attacks on the World Trade Center last September, it might appear obvious why the Twin Towers fell: They were struck at blinding speed by two massive aircraft carrying thousands of gallons of jet fuel, whose ignition generated a fire so searing that it weakened steel beams to the point of collapse.

But the exact nature of the buildings' implosion remains extremely complex. That is why it has taken a government-appointed team of some of the leading structural engineers in the country nearly eight months to release their official report, which is due out May 1st. NOVA's "Why the Towers Fell" explores the complexities of the collapse and the in-depth investigation that has taken place since September 11th.

The key to understanding starts with the unique structure of the towers. When he designed them in 1966, Leslie Robertson set out to create skyscrapers with more rentable office space than the current engineering techniques typically allowed. Standard skyscrapers of the day had support columns that were spaced evenly throughout the width of the building. Robertson decided instead to keep the columns in a main inner core (housing the elevators, emergency stairs, and other building services), and move the rest of the support columns to the exterior walls. This difference allowed the interior to have more open space. The only way to make it work was to connect the inner core and the exterior columns with a series of steel trusses below every floor. And it is the performance of these trusses that has come into question.

Like all the steel in the building, the trusses were protected from fire using a fire-retardant foam. But according to the findings of some of the forensic engineering teams -- which included researchers supported by the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the National Science Foundation, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) -- each plane's impact blew the foam away. The naked steel was weakened by exposure to the intense heat of burning jet fuel. This could have caused the floor trusses to sag and fall.

Likewise, there may have been a similar problem with fire-protection for the emergency stairwells and elevators in the inner core. Those areas were surrounded by drywall -- a kind of Sheetrock that is especially fire resistant. But the drywall was so lightweight that the impact of each plane blew it away, exposing the stairwells and inner core supports to the intense fires.

It is impressive that the World Trade Center towers held up as long as they did after being attacked at full speed by Boeing 767 jets, because they were only designed to withstand a crash from the largest plane at the time: the smaller, slower Boeing 707. And according to Robertson, the 707's fuel load was not even considered at the time. Engineers hope that answering the question of exactly why these towers collapsed will help engineers make even safer skyscrapers in the future. ASCE will file its final report soon, and NIST has been asked to conduct a much broader investigation into the buildings' collapse.


 

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buildings burn down, high rise buildings don't collapse from fire. Big difference.

The Bombing of Dresden was an attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, that took place in the final months of the Second World War in the European Theatre. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city. The resulting firestorm destroyed fifteen square miles of the city centre. Between 22,700 and 25,000 people were killed.

This vs. two airplanes and 3,000 people and 3 high rise buildings collapsing. I see the connection.





[Edited on 9/13/2013 by jerryphilbob]


How many stories are those structures in the picture? How many stories were the World Trade Center buildings? I'm sure gravity had quite a bit to do with it. Two jet airliners flying at 100+ knots into the structures is quite a bit of mass. Seems pretty simple to me. They were also more powerful than any single bomb load dropped on Dresden.

One thing about your conspiracy theory you haven't brought up. If indeed charges were placed in the buildings prior to 9/11, it would take quite a bit of people and recourses to set them. That's a lot of mouths to keep the secret quiet. People being people, someone would have spilled the beans by now. Believe what you want to believe jerry but I'm not buying it. All the best to ya.

 

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Yes, Bin Laden was more than some guy in a cave, he was very well funded by the US Government. Obviously they didn't need him anymore, and he was taken out in Tora Bora, the cave he was hiding in.

Fire does not collapse buildings. It never has and it never will. 3 buildings collapsed from fire that day, please explain the physics behind this. Go!


You are out of your mind. I was there that day. There was nothing "controlled" about what happens. Your indicating the U.S. government had anything to do with this is bizarre and actually deeply offensive. Have you read the 9/11 report? I seriously doubt it. It explains exactly how the towers collapsed. I suppose the Government attacked the Pentagon also.

 

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"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY." --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

The National Debt since 2000

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Ask the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were snuffed out how they feel about 9/11.

9/11 a controlled demolition ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3v4QUQpYjc

Now, off to more war and more bankrupting of America ...











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Did NOVA offer a good explanation of how WTC 7 collapsed so perfectly ? It wasn't hit by a plane.
I have always been interested in hearing some better details on that.

 

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Yes, Bin Laden was more than some guy in a cave, he was very well funded by the US Government. Obviously they didn't need him anymore, and he was taken out in Tora Bora, the cave he was hiding in.

Fire does not collapse buildings. It never has and it never will. 3 buildings collapsed from fire that day, please explain the physics behind this. Go!


You are out of your mind. I was there that day. There was nothing "controlled" about what happens. Your indicating the U.S. government had anything to do with this is bizarre and actually deeply offensive. Have you read the 9/11 report? I seriously doubt it. It explains exactly how the towers collapsed. I suppose the Government attacked the Pentagon also.


You don't even need to read the 9-11 report to know what happened. It is common sense physics. The extreme heat from the fire in the two twin towers where they were struck by the planes compromised the steel that was supporting the buildings. Once the steel was compromised to a certain point it could no longer support the weight above it and they collapsed.

Same thing with the third building that collapsed. Only difference was in time because the fire under the third building wasn't spread their underground until the towers collapsed. Once the towers collapsed the intense heat and fire spread underground to the third building. When the metal and steel supporting that building was compromised it could no longer support the massive weight above it and it collapsed.

No controlled explosions. That is complete nonsense and there is absolutely no way that could have happened. Might make a good fiction movie script but it is utter nonsense fabricated by the ultra paranoid.

 

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Did NOVA offer a good explanation of how WTC 7 collapsed so perfectly ? It wasn't hit by a plane.
I have always been interested in hearing some better details on that.


See my above post. You do know that the three buildings were connected to each other underground don't you??? It is easily explained. Physics 101.

 

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