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  posted on 10/28/2013 at 07:42 PM
what other choice do we have? what is Fox News' motive for backing Obama?
 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.

 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


That's a relief. When I first read that Fox News agreed with Obama on something I was afraid that hell froze over.


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I am not saying that O'Reilly was pulling for Obama, but to say that Obama isn't in the loop and that is why he should get a pass on these issues just goes to show that they are all in bed together. The media is complicit on both sides and when O'Reilly is defectling blame from O'Buma, it makes me want to hurl.

O'Reilly is in the club and watching that crap is no different than drinking the kool-aid on MSNBC.

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


I would say that success in running the executive branch is not really something he is concrned about at all. Again I go back to a leader I really admire JFK. When Kennedy had a pressing thing, he deliberately brought into the room men with totally opposing perpsectives and views and would let them argue it out. At many of these meetings he would not say anything for say 30 minutes just listening and taking it in. Does this sound like our current president?

 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


I would say that success in running the executive branch is not really something he is concrned about at all. Again I go back to a leader I really admire JFK. When Kennedy had a pressing thing, he deliberately brought into the room men with totally opposing perpsectives and views and would let them argue it out. At many of these meetings he would not say anything for say 30 minutes just listening and taking it in. Does this sound like our current president?


Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work. Those opposing men back in the day didn't like Kennedy but they respected him. These opposing men don't and never did respect Obama from the very first day of his Presidency and they screamed that out to the world the day he was elected. Big difference and don't forget, Kennedy got screwed over with the Bay of Pigs and learned a very harmful lesson about trusting opposing views.

 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


I would say that success in running the executive branch is not really something he is concrned about at all. Again I go back to a leader I really admire JFK. When Kennedy had a pressing thing, he deliberately brought into the room men with totally opposing perpsectives and views and would let them argue it out. At many of these meetings he would not say anything for say 30 minutes just listening and taking it in. Does this sound like our current president?


Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work. Those opposing men back in the day didn't like Kennedy but they respected him. These opposing men don't and never did respect Obama from the very first day of his Presidency and they screamed that out to the world the day he was elected. Big difference and don't forget, Kennedy got screwed over with the Bay of Pigs and learned a very harmful lesson about trusting opposing views.
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Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work.


You're referring to Mitch McConnell? I seriously doubt McConnell or anyone like him is in the room when these "opposing perspectives" are thrown around.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 03:56 PM
Bill O'Reilly

Almost as bad as Hannity and Maher.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 04:08 PM
Bill O'Reilly is an entertainer. He says whatever he can to piss off liberals and appease the right. This formula equals ratings. I happen to enjoy his show because I consider it satire. He doesn't seem to truly believe what he says, which I find pretty funny. He even smiles as he says something off the wall. Want further proof? He writes children's books to teach them the "ways of the world". There is no better way to anger the left than to try and teach children that he is "right".
 

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Bill O'Reilly

Almost as bad as Hannity and Maher.
How can you put maher in with those two?, since when does maher lie about the issues on his show?, talk over and bully those on his show???. never that I have seen. is maher on a so-called news channel? is hbo now hbo news?? bill maher is billed as a comedy show with political discussion, maybe hannity and oreilly should be billed as comedy?.

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 07:30 PM
The only true place to get objective, classy, down the middle commentary with no bias is The Ed Show.
 

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 07:30 PM
I'm shocked that our spy agency is spying. What is this world coming to ?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 08:03 PM
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The only true place to get objective, classy, down the middle commentary with no bias is The Ed Show.


True.

I used to love when Ed had classic entertainment like Topo Gigio, the Little Italian Mouse. Loved it when that fella would spin all those plates on those poles. Also don't forget that The Beatles played his show, The Rolling Stones, and a bunch of other good bands. Yep they were the good 'ole days with no bias.

 

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  posted on 10/29/2013 at 08:58 PM
My bad. I meant Ed Maddow.
 

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  posted on 10/30/2013 at 04:45 AM
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Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work. Those opposing men back in the day didn't like Kennedy but they respected him. These opposing men don't and never did respect Obama from the very first day of his Presidency and they screamed that out to the world the day he was elected. Big difference and don't forget, Kennedy got screwed over with the Bay of Pigs and learned a very harmful lesson about trusting opposing views.


Of course, you have to have two sides willing to sit down in order have compromise. I see the "it is our way or stfu" from both sides, not just one side. I have seen zero indication that the Obama administration wants to listen to anything that Tea Party or the Conservatives have to say, not one. Of course, there are stark ideological spectrums we are dealing with here. One side is for fascism/socialism and the other side is for the free markets and capitalism. It is hard to compromise on freedom and when you feel you are fighting for the future of your country.

While JFK was fighting the same enemy, it was much more under the radar, while today it is much more visible.

 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


I would say that success in running the executive branch is not really something he is concrned about at all. Again I go back to a leader I really admire JFK. When Kennedy had a pressing thing, he deliberately brought into the room men with totally opposing perpsectives and views and would let them argue it out. At many of these meetings he would not say anything for say 30 minutes just listening and taking it in. Does this sound like our current president?


Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work. Those opposing men back in the day didn't like Kennedy but they respected him. These opposing men don't and never did respect Obama from the very first day of his Presidency and they screamed that out to the world the day he was elected. Big difference and don't forget, Kennedy got screwed over with the Bay of Pigs and learned a very harmful lesson about trusting opposing views.


What you keep missing is the role Obama plays in the dislike and disrespect. You absolve him of all responsibility for the state of his own administration. I am not talking about bringing Republicans into the cabinet room. I am talking about hos own advisors who might have different perspectives on an issue. JFK learned after the Bay of Pigs that he could NOT trust one view point. That is why he set up EXCOM during the Cuban Missile Crisis, to get all points of view. I shudder to think if Obama were in charge during a crisis like that. All he has around him are sycophants and yes men and women. He is so arrogant he thinks he knows everything. He is the polar opposite of JFK.

 

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Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work.


You're referring to Mitch McConnell? I seriously doubt McConnell or anyone like him is in the room when these "opposing perspectives" are thrown around.


Of course I was referring to people he would have as his advisors not the political opposition but his defenders can't get past the idea that Republicans are to blame for every failure of this failure.

 

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I'm not sure you were watching closely JBP. He opined that Obama's legacy is headed to be one of the 10 worst Presidents of all time due to his hands-off management. He properly identified the two interlocking issues of that form the basis of his failure: the disengaged style, and the appointment of weak and talent-less underlings. It's fine to delegate. But you have to first ensure that the people being tasked are competent. He neither appoints competent people nor holds anyone accountable.

I'd go beyond O'Reilly and say that his appointments are a direct result of his narcissism and ego. Hew appoints weak staff so that none will overshadow him. But O'Reilly wants to keep some of the Obamaites in his audience, so he wouldn't go that far.


I would say that success in running the executive branch is not really something he is concrned about at all. Again I go back to a leader I really admire JFK. When Kennedy had a pressing thing, he deliberately brought into the room men with totally opposing perpsectives and views and would let them argue it out. At many of these meetings he would not say anything for say 30 minutes just listening and taking it in. Does this sound like our current president?


Thing is you need men with totally opposing perspectives and views who are willing to go into that room to argue it out. When those men of opposing views are out to obstruct you and make you fail at all costs and openly state that the day after Obama was elected it doesn't work. Those opposing men back in the day didn't like Kennedy but they respected him. These opposing men don't and never did respect Obama from the very first day of his Presidency and they screamed that out to the world the day he was elected. Big difference and don't forget, Kennedy got screwed over with the Bay of Pigs and learned a very harmful lesson about trusting opposing views.


What you keep missing is the role Obama plays in the dislike and disrespect. You absolve him of all responsibility for the state of his own administration. I am not talking about bringing Republicans into the cabinet room. I am talking about hos own advisors who might have different perspectives on an issue. JFK learned after the Bay of Pigs that he could NOT trust one view point. That is why he set up EXCOM during the Cuban Missile Crisis, to get all points of view. I shudder to think if Obama were in charge during a crisis like that. All he has around him are sycophants and yes men and women. He is so arrogant he thinks he knows everything. He is the polar opposite of JFK.
so, you know him personally do you?.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2013 at 07:18 PM
O'Reilly again, tonight, wants to give the President a pass because he has so much on his plate and he can't be a micro manager?

What a mouth piece for the New World Order and a total POS.

 

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What you keep missing is the role Obama plays in the dislike and disrespect. You absolve him of all responsibility for the state of his own administration. I am not talking about bringing Republicans into the cabinet room. I am talking about hos own advisors who might have different perspectives on an issue. JFK learned after the Bay of Pigs that he could NOT trust one view point. That is why he set up EXCOM during the Cuban Missile Crisis, to get all points of view. I shudder to think if Obama were in charge during a crisis like that. All he has around him are sycophants and yes men and women. He is so arrogant he thinks he knows everything. He is the polar opposite of JFK.


Obama has tried to reach across the aisle from the 1st day of his 1st presidential campaign. It was one of his biggest platforms. It's what attracted everyone to him in the first place. But Republicans not only refuse to even speak with him, but they promise to oppose any idea he puts forward. It's interesting how blind hatred can distort reality.

 

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What you keep missing is the role Obama plays in the dislike and disrespect. You absolve him of all responsibility for the state of his own administration. I am not talking about bringing Republicans into the cabinet room. I am talking about hos own advisors who might have different perspectives on an issue. JFK learned after the Bay of Pigs that he could NOT trust one view point. That is why he set up EXCOM during the Cuban Missile Crisis, to get all points of view. I shudder to think if Obama were in charge during a crisis like that. All he has around him are sycophants and yes men and women. He is so arrogant he thinks he knows everything. He is the polar opposite of JFK.


Obama has tried to reach across the aisle from the 1st day of his 1st presidential campaign. It was one of his biggest platforms. It's what attracted everyone to him in the first place. But Republicans not only refuse to even speak with him, but they promise to oppose any idea he puts forward. It's interesting how blind hatred can distort reality.


Nothing changes the fact that there is no common ground between the Republicans and Obama.

 

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What you keep missing is the role Obama plays in the dislike and disrespect. You absolve him of all responsibility for the state of his own administration. I am not talking about bringing Republicans into the cabinet room. I am talking about hos own advisors who might have different perspectives on an issue. JFK learned after the Bay of Pigs that he could NOT trust one view point. That is why he set up EXCOM during the Cuban Missile Crisis, to get all points of view. I shudder to think if Obama were in charge during a crisis like that. All he has around him are sycophants and yes men and women. He is so arrogant he thinks he knows everything. He is the polar opposite of JFK.
Obama has tried to reach across the aisle from the 1st day of his 1st presidential campaign. It was one of his biggest platforms. It's what attracted everyone to him in the first place. But Republicans not only refuse to even speak with him, but they promise to oppose any idea he puts forward. It's interesting how blind hatred can distort reality.
Yes, his willingness for ideas and dialog with the other side are summed up nicely in two statements: "elections have consequences" and "I will not negotiate".

Listening to what he says is a worthless exercise. Actions speak louder than words. And by his actions and his leadership, it's obvious he has little tolerance for any vision but his. It's well reported that he fosters almost no relationships. Even within his own staff, his principle strategies are the exclusive domain of him and Valerie Jarrett. It's interesting how blind devotion can so easily excuse so many failures.

 

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Yes, his willingness for ideas and dialog with the other side are summed up nicely in two statements: "elections have consequences" and "I will not negotiate".

That's just foolish and you should know it. That came in response to one issue that the GOP, led by a minority faction of the party, tried to blackmail him into capitulation. He has governed more from the center than many people will admit or can see, not because he wanted to perhaps but because that's were he moved to meet his political opposition on almost every single issue.

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