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  posted on 11/1/2013 at 03:17 PM
Miami Dolphins OL ....Jonathon Martin.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2013 at 03:39 PM
It's a pretty simple concept. He wasn't physically bullied of course. He was ridiculed by his own teammates and it set him off. We don't know what was said, how it was said, or how often it was said. We weren't there. But anyone who is verbally abused, harassed, and made to feel like an outcast, regardless of age and size, can be hurtful and damaging. Anyone can snap when they are pushed to their limit.
 

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  posted on 11/1/2013 at 04:01 PM
The story I heard was that they were having lunch at the training complex and when Martin sat at one of the tables everyone got up and left. He had a tantrum, throwing his food tray and storming out of the building. His nickname is "Big Weirdo."
 

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  posted on 11/2/2013 at 03:09 PM
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It's a pretty simple concept. He wasn't physically bullied of course. He was ridiculed by his own teammates and it set him off. We don't know what was said, how it was said, or how often it was said. We weren't there. But anyone who is verbally abused, harassed, and made to feel like an outcast, regardless of age and size, can be hurtful and damaging. Anyone can snap when they are pushed to their limit.


Please, this is a grown man who should be really familiar with this environment. Add, if you can't fight back on the practice field.. you are pretty damn weak.

"Hazing" ..maybe. But "Bullying"?....

"Coach...these guys are picking on me"......

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  posted on 11/2/2013 at 04:06 PM
It's the media outlets that are labeling it "bullying". You are a clueless jackass. It is not common in a locker room to be cruel to teammates, in fact it's the opposite. I'm very familiar with football and basketball locker room enviornments. Hazing is done in good friendly spirits. What happened to Martin was not hazing.

And since he's a peaceful guy who doesn't believe in violence to solve problems makes him weak? You think hitting a guy on the practice field a little harder than usual would solve the problem and things would get better?

You've revealed a lot about yourself with this thread you created. It says more about you than it does about Martin. I hope you feel tough and better now, having insulted a good man for walking away from an abusive environment.

Here's an excerpt from Fox Sports.

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Martin left Dolphins headquarters on Monday when finally reaching his limit with the persistent bullying and teasing from some teammates that has plagued him since joining Miami as a 2012 second-round draft choice. As first reported by FOX Sports NFL insider Jay Glazer, the latest taunt – a group of players stood up and left when he tried joining them for lunch – led to Martin getting up himself and walking out the door.

There is no timetable for a return, which could lead Miami to ultimately place him on the reserve/non-football injury list. It also raises questions about his future with the franchise.

This wasn't an abrupt action by Martin, who is Stanford-educated and the son of two lawyers who attended Harvard University. A source said Martin has tried dealing with a slew of indignities that crossed into personal and family insults, including being bestowed with the nickname of "Big Weirdo."

Knowing his background, the 6-foot-5, 312-pound Martin probably felt that challenging teammates to fistfights wasn't the answer to the situation.

Dolphins head coach Joe Philbin refused to provide any details about Martin's absence when asked by the media earlier this week. Miami downgraded Martin from "doubtful" to "out" for Thursday night's home game against Cincinnati after listing him on their injury report as having an illness.It's believed the Dolphins were aware that the cruel actions of some teammates toward Martin went well beyond the customary hazing sometimes given to NFL rookies and youngsters, the source said. Martin experienced some of that when the Dolphins appeared on the 2012 season of HBO's Hard Knocks.

The Dolphins declined comment to FOX Sports on Thursday night about whether they were aware of the bullying issue allegedly surrounding Martin.

Veteran players also apparently failed to help support Martin and draw a line as to where the bullying should end.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2013 at 04:18 PM
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You are a clueless jackass.


Let me be clear in stating that I have the exact same amount of respect for most of the opinions you write here....

Haha.

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  posted on 11/2/2013 at 04:31 PM
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You've revealed a lot about yourself with this thread you created. It says more about you than it does about Martin. I hope you feel tough and better now, having insulted a good man for walking away from an abusive environment.

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  posted on 11/2/2013 at 08:25 PM
I posted on a Sports Website that if you want o experience bullying try life in an Infantry Platoon. I put up with but I came out stronger and eventually became one of the boys. Too much of this bullying stuff is getting overblown if you ask me.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2013 at 11:17 AM
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Let me be clear in stating that I have the exact same amount of respect for most of the opinions you write here....

Haha.

Good day to you Sir.


You made it abundantly clear with your ignorant, snide, low-class remarks in just about every thread, and we know I'm not the only one saying this about you. Does the statement "BIGV is an appropriate name for you" ring a bell?

And for the record, Mike Ditka, Chris Berman, Shannon Sharpe, all condemned the actions of the Dolphins players and coaches for allowing this abusive behavior to occur. They were gushing over the character of Jonathan Martin, saying he did the right thing. I guess Ditka and Sharpe are weak too, huh? Good job aligning yourself on this topic with the bullies - that was a great choice you made. I'm happy to be in the same group as Ditka.

 

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"Bullied" being the key word in this thread...and also in the thread where I belittled the Father of the H.S. Team in Texas for attempting to sue the opposing Coach for "Bullying" when his Son's team was defeated 91-0. It's the word "Bullying" that I tire of...As in " Can somebody please explain how a 6'-5", 315 pound NFL offensive lineman, can be "Bullied"?....The answer?

He can not. It is becoming too easy to use this word.....Maybe he was "Hazed"...Maybe they treated him worse than The San Diego Chargers did when their behaviors led to Leaf's meltdown. There was another incident like this years back with the L.A. Dodgers when a Japanese player had the sleeves of his new suit come off when his fellow players removed the stitching... this too resulted in a "Leaf like" blow -up.

Typical of you Leftists, it always has to be the emotional side of the argument....Screw Political correctness.

Here's a question you asked me....followed by my response...

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You think hitting a guy on the practice field a little harder than usual would solve the problem and things would get better?


Yes I do. It serves notice. "I'm not going to take this sh*t from you any longer and I'm serving notice right here and now.....I'm angry about the things you say and do to me and rather than act out emotionally in public...I'm gonna kick your a** out here on this field and I'm going to continue to do so until you stop and apologize"

It's NFL football. Arguably some of the toughest men on the USA. All there voluntarily.....If you can't take it, can't defend yourself?

You obviously do not belong.

Now show me where I've called you any derogatory names.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2013 at 12:43 PM
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He can not. It is becoming too easy to use this word.....Maybe he was "Hazed"


I didn't realize you were in the locker room these past few years to know what was going on. The NFL insiders that I mentioned, Ditka, Sharpe, Lewis...all clearly agree that there is a big difference between hazing and harrassment, as I also mentioned earlier. If a stand-up guy with an excellent reputation chose to leave, then the more likely scenario is that he was a victim of harrassment, not innocent hazing. Again, Ditka, one of the greatest and most revered men in the history of sports, condemned the Dophins organization and backed Martin 100%. I stand by my previous comments, and proud to be in his corner. It's unreal that you are not.


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Yes I do. It serves notice. "I'm not going to take this sh*t from you any longer and I'm serving notice right here and now.....I'm angry about the things you say and do to me and rather than act out emotionally in public...I'm gonna kick your a** out here on this field and I'm going to continue to do so until you stop and apologize"


Yes, because men normally become friends after engaging in violence and fighting. Great logic.

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.....If you can't take it, can't defend yourself?

You obviously do not belong.


The only word I need to use here, is once again, Ditka! If you believe this, then you believe that Ditka does not belong in the NFL, because he said the greats of the past, including Lombadi, would never in a million years allow such behavior to occur.

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Now show me where I've called you any derogatory names.


You didn't. But by insulting Martin, and calling him weak, and basically calling him a p*ssy, then you insult millions of good men and women who don't believe in "kicking someone's a$$" to solve problems. So on behalf of Martin and the rest of us who commend him, I stand by my comments.

And one more thing.....DITKA!

 

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  posted on 11/3/2013 at 12:56 PM
It is sad that people like Martin (who is probably a bit off - perhaps he has Asperger's or Social Anxiety Disorder) are so misunderstood. Part of the very essence of these type of social disorders is the impartation to others that the people are weird - they are not far enough off for people to recognize the severity of the condition. This is society wide. Ricky Williams had a potentially great career turned into somewhat of a disappointment because of his social anxiety.

That said it is hard to mandate more than tolerance (people shouldn't be bullied but it is hard to befriend people with these type of illnesses). It takes a special standup type of person to recognize this; and a strong leadership to enforce. This is not like ARod who deserves to be a pariah. Yes; a Lombardi would have come down hard and the behavior would have stopped; the feelings behind it, however, can't be altered in unenlightened minds.

That said my dad always told me the only way to stop bullying is to stand up; if you don't the bullying will continue as the goal is to keep you tormented. "No one will ever beat you up twice" he told me (RIP) when I was about 12. And he was right; got my head handed to me once or twice but the immediate response was the a**hole went on to torment someone else.

 

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Now show me where I've called you any derogatory names.


You didn't. But by insulting Martin, and calling him weak, and basically calling him a p*ssy, then you insult millions of good men and women who don't believe in "kicking someone's a$$" to solve problems. So on behalf of Martin and the rest of us who commend him, I stand by my comments.

And one more thing.....DITKA!



"kicking someone's a$$"..Yes, definitely. They are wearing Helmets and pads at practice, are they not?

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then you insult millions of good men and women


"Millions"?..Haha. Are you for real?... Thank all that is good that you have anointed yourself protector of the helpless. Too funny.

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That said my dad always told me the only way to stop bullying is to stand up; if you don't the bullying will continue as the goal is to keep you tormented. "No one will ever beat you up twice" he told me (RIP) when I was about 12. And he was right; got my head handed to me once or twice but the immediate response was the a**hole went on to torment someone else.


Exactly. Thanks for sharing.

 

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Can somebody please explain how a 6'-5", 315 pound NFL offensive lineman, can be "Bullied"?....The answer?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/miami-dolphins-lineman-jonathan-martin-a wol-bullying-by-teammates-103113

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/11/02/jonathan-martin-miami-d olphins-bullying-jarrett-bell-column/3393497/

From the USA Today article above...

"What this shows is that NFL players are human beings, too," former all-pro NFL safety Brian Dawkins told USA TODAY Sports. "Just because you are an outstanding athlete and on the NFL level, you might not have some of the same types of problems as other people, you still have to deal with emotional stuff."

Dawkins, currently an analyst for ESPN, doesn't have first-hand knowledge of Martin's case. But he's seen and heard the various reports. Knowing the culture that exists in NFL locker rooms, he believes it is plausible that a pro football player, too, can be bullied.

"It's hard to understand until you break it down and realize that he's an individual," said Dawkins, who played 16 NFL seasons with the Eagles and Broncos, and earned nine Pro Bowl selections.

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Typical of you Leftists, it always has to be the emotional side of the argument....Screw Political correctness.

Screw people who try to speak from a position of authority on topics about which they are woefully ignorant, screw people who want to turn important issues such as this into a left/right thing, and screw people who don't think the emotional side of an argument should matter.





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That said my dad always told me the only way to stop bullying is to stand up; if you don't the bullying will continue as the goal is to keep you tormented. "No one will ever beat you up twice" he told me (RIP) when I was about 12. And he was right; got my head handed to me once or twice but the immediate response was the a**hole went on to torment someone else.
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Exactly. Thanks for sharing.


In a situation where someone was being picked on physically, then I agree, that the victim of bullying should fight back. This is not what happened in the Martin case. He was targeted by verbal abuse and harrassment...made to be an outcast, ridiculed, and isolated, for some reason that we don't know. Despite the fact that the NFL is a tough guy business, it's still a business nonetheless, and that type of behavior should not be tolerated, as per legends Mike Ditka and now Brian Dawkins - 2 of the most respected athletes of all time.

What is your defense again of the Dolphins and the bullies? And what did Martin do wrong? He walked away from a dysfunctional environment. Why call him weak for that?


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  posted on 11/3/2013 at 09:52 PM
As a life-long Philadelphian, and die-hard Eagles fan, thank you Gondicar, for giving us Dawkins' response to the incident. In Philly, we give a standing-O wherever we see B-Dawk, and he doesn't pay for a dinner bill anywhere. We bow down to his greatness. For fans of B-Dawk, I highly recommend watching ESPN's "Weapon X" 10-min documentary on him. It's awesome.

BIGV, no matter how you slice and dice it, the greatest men in the sport are condemning the player and the Dolphins, and support Martin. Do you really want to continue to align yourself with the villains? It's ok to admit you are wrong. I did it just yesterday in the Obamacare thread. It feels good, you should try it.

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That said my dad always told me the only way to stop bullying is to stand up; if you don't the bullying will continue as the goal is to keep you tormented. "No one will ever beat you up twice" he told me (RIP) when I was about 12. And he was right; got my head handed to me once or twice but the immediate response was the a**hole went on to torment someone else.
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Exactly. Thanks for sharing.


In a situation where someone was being picked on physically, then I agree, that the victim of bullying should fight back. This is not what happened in the Martin case. He was targeted by verbal abuse and harrassment...made to be an outcast, ridiculed, and isolated, for some reason that we don't know. Despite the fact that the NFL is a tough guy business, it's still a business nonetheless, and that type of behavior should not be tolerated, as per legends Mike Ditka and now Brian Dawkins - 2 of the most respected athletes of all time.

What is your defense again of the Dolphins and the bullies? And what did Martin do wrong? He walked away from a dysfunctional environment. Why call him weak for that?


[Edited on 11/4/2013 by BoytonBrother]


Read my whole post; didn't say he did anything wrong.

If only every situation could be handled as well as Durocher and Rickey handled Jackie Robinson's. Team chemistry does no always favor the right. Ownership/management really needs to be commited

 

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  posted on 11/4/2013 at 07:47 AM
The Dolphins organization definitely did the right thing by suspending Incognito. It's common knowledge Incognito is despised and known as a disruptive non team player d-bag throughout the league. NFL hazing is just another of these ridiculously stupid rite of passage traditions that will go by the wayside eventually.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2013 at 11:16 AM
info has come out about racially charged and threatening voice messages that the Dolphins have now heard. It also sounds like it's been going on for the 2 years Martin was on the team. I think Martin wasn't worried about Incognito beating him up he was probably more worried about being back rollled by Incognito on purpose to permanently injure Martin and end his career. That would be more the way a dirty player would hurt another on his own team. Incognito is infamous for dirty play. A player this year on the Texas team actually took his helmet off and swung it at Incognito....

 

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  posted on 11/4/2013 at 02:34 PM
Here's a report from ESPN:


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The Miami Dolphins made the right call suspending starting guard Richie Incognito on Sunday night. If most or all of the allegations against Incognito are true, he forced the Dolphins’ hand on this matter and deserves to be suspended.

Miami's Richie Incognito has been suspended indefinitely for conduct detrimental to the team.This was not a football decision. Incognito is a solid veteran player who made the Pro Bowl in 2012. Suspending him certainly doesn’t make the offensive line better. But, it makes the Dolphins better in the locker room moving forward.

Representatives for Miami right tackle Jonathan Martin contacted the Dolphins with their claims on Sunday. According to a report by ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Chris Mortensen, Martin was forced to pay $15,000 for a players’ trip to Las Vegas that Martin did not attend and was the victim of persistent harassment, among other things. Martin also was in possession of threatening text messages from Incognito and at least one voicemail, according to ESPN's report.

Also, transcripts of voice mail messages and text messages left for Martin by Incognito indicate a pattern of racial epithets and profane language.

This level of player misconduct by Incognito cannot be tolerated. The Dolphins had no choice but to remove the biggest culprit and set an example for the rest of the locker room.

The irony is Incognito was part of Miami’s six-player leadership counsel this year. He was expected to set an example. The sign on his locker in recent weeks that read, “There are two things Richie Incognito does not like: Taxes and Rookies” now has a lot more meaning and context. Martin was a second-year player but claims to have been harassed since his rookie season.

Knowing what the Dolphins now know there was no way they could allow Incognito to show up and address the media on Monday. The distraction from this story is big enough. Miami is a .500 team with plenty left to play for and eventually would like to get back to football.

With Incognito out of the picture, the focus is now back on the Dolphins’ organization.


James Walker on Incognito
ESPN Dolphins reporter James Walker shares his thoughts on Miami's handling of Jonathan Martin's complaint, the events that led to Martin's departure, Richie Incognito's reputation and more. Listen
Here is the first question: How did Miami allow this Martin situation to happen?

Were the Dolphins and head coach Joe Philbin completely unaware of these issues within the locker room? Or did the Dolphins know details and choose to ignore them?

Whatever the situation, the Dolphins deserve credit for finally taking control of a bad situation. By suspending Incognito, the Dolphins took a strong stance against harassment in the workplace.

It’s a step in the right direction.


I guess ESPN analysts are weak too.

 

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Here's a list of some of the Voice messages Incognito sent martin

1: Richie Incognito left this VM for Jonathan Martin in April 2013: "Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of (expletive)...

"I saw you on Twitter, you been training ten weeks. (I want to) (expletive) in your (expl) mouth....

"(I'm going to) slap your (expletive) mouth. (I'm going to) slap your real mother across the face (laughter).

"(Expletive) you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

I guess this is acceptable locker room behavior

 

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  posted on 11/4/2013 at 06:45 PM
And also forced him to pay a $30,000.00 strip club tab.

It's awfully quiet in this thread from the original poster, now that these details have emerged. I wonder why.

 

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And also forced him to pay a $30,000.00 strip club tab.

It's awfully quiet in this thread from the original poster, now that these details have emerged. I wonder why.


Yeah, I was wondering where this would go after the stories came out.

 

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  posted on 11/4/2013 at 08:45 PM
Psychotic behavior to tell someone you want to s_it in their mouth. Incognito has serious issues.

 

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One former lineman was quoted in a story today about what an idiot Incognito is -- effin' redneck ****

 

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