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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 10:15 AM
Republicans Want to Limit Your Access to (Insert lie here)

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Democrats will make up stories about their own mothers if they think it will advance their political agenda, so we cannot pretend to be surprised when the professional Lefts “Republican War on Women Blitzkrieg” embraces outright deception; the idea that Republicans want to limit your access to (insert lie here.)

This idea is based on the Democrats obsession with positive rights. In the real world you are born with free speech and the right to defend your life and property whether there is a government or not. In the Democrat world these things cannot exist until there is a government to give them to you. This rule applies to everything. So we could just as easily say that Republicans want to limit your access to Starbucks Latte’s. The government isn’t standing over Starbucks making sure you get the Federally approved brand of coffee at taxpayer expense, therefore your “right” to that coffee is in danger.

The Lefts War on Women intifada applies this notion to abortion and contraception to broadcast outright lies about Republicans, and I’m here to tell you…if you believe the Democrats, you should demand an intellectual refund on your public school education because your mind has been robbed of common sense.



Let’s start with abortion. The premise is that Republicans want to overturn Roe v. Wade. This is true. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives the Federal government this authority. Abortion is left to the states to decide, each for themselves, based on the will of the people who live there. (Or in the case of New Hampshire, people who happen to be here on election day, even if they actually live someplace else.)

The fundamental truth about Roe v. Wade is that more than 30 states had abortion laws before the decision, with others considering them. Laws providing for abortion services existed without Roe v. Wade. All 50 states have them now and they are as varied as the states themselves. And if Roe were struck down tomorrow we would still have 50 states (and the District of Columbia), all of which have their own existing laws on abortion, laws that women and doctors have been complying with this whole time. And if, at any future date, the people of any particular state wanted to make abortion more or less accessible, they would be free to vote for state representatives who share those views to that end, and free to change things back as their populations positions evolved one way or the other.

This isn’t about abortion it is about local control.

Why is local control important? Becasue the Federal government uses Roe as an excuse to mandate abortion, to mandate taxpayer support of it, to mandate that institutions that object provide coverage for it, and that individuals who view it as immoral, cannot conscientiously object to their forced participation in the matter, across the entire nation. That is a tyranny that violates the personal and religious rights upon which freedom is based. If the government can deny you these they can deny you others. And if you support that variety of tyranny, then you are capable of every other. Roe is not about abortion, it is about power and control. Most Republicans object to the killing of the unborn, but they are willing to let the states decide because they (should) object more to the despotic abuse of power that Roe and decisions and laws like it have facilitated at the hands of progressives and Democrats, the same ones who are now lying about access to abortion.

So the Left’s Roe v. Wade fraud is a lie of epic proportion.

The only Republicans that are lying about this issue are the moderate ones who are repeating the lefts lie. And the conservative and libertarian position should be that it is, and always was, a state sovereignty issue and should be returned to the people and the states. That is not limiting access to abortion, it is improving access to local control.

Contraception is not much different, but astronomically more laughable.

Democrats are claiming that Republicans want to limit…’Your access to contraception.” This brings me back to the Starbucks latte. Democrats want you to believe that before they rammed the Federal government into the contraception debate, there was no access to contraception. I’m here to remind you that contraception is readily available almost everywhere, and has been for decades. And there is no fourteen day waiting period to get them. There are ads on TV promoting different brands. You can order them online form hundreds of retailers, in thousands of varieties. And if you want the kind with the calendar, those are not much more difficult to get.

What Democrats actually mean is that Republicans believe most of us can get and pay for contraception without the government involved and that’s bad. But its not bad. In fact it is just the opposite, whether it is contraception, Starbucks Latte’s, wood flooring, widgets, appliances, a 32 oz carbonated beverage, or hundreds of thousands of other things we may need or want in varying degrees, none of which we should be forced to pay for if we don’t want them.

Republicans understand that there are plenty of private and public private options for access to contraception. And that this is not any business of the Federal government. That injecting the Federal government into the situation, any situation, actually increases the chances that access will be denied.

Consider: The moment taxpayer dollars are applied to a monopoly interest in anything, federal oversight takes over. The government picks winners and losers whether it means to or not. And when it means to, it can and it will. Federal intervention and the coercive power of the state increases costs of compliance with mountains of bureaucratic demands that reduce competition. That reduction in competition creates monopoly interests that lobby the power brokers for continued preference, which they inevitably get.

Government has now limited access and increased costs by the mere act of forcing its participation. At some point in the future these costs will come under scrutiny, affecting either quality or availability. It is entirely possible that in a budget crunch (be it insurers or the government as provider) reducing costs will result in a wholesale abandonment of support for the program for which the force of the federal will has made millions of people dependent. These people are cut loose to fend for themselves with little or no warning, and no other market available to them.

We’ve got a pension bubble, and student loan bubble, a huge deficit, the impending costs of Obama care, Social Security and Medicare are in trouble, even the housing bubble was a result of government meddling and that bubble is being re inflated as we speak. So government meddling in contraception isn’t going to end well.

Long story not short enough, we on the Right could care less about your contraception, what you use, when, where, how often, or with whom. That’s your decision. They just don’t think the federal government has a place in that transaction, one you were free to engage in at your convenience long before the Left Wing’s Republican War on Women was even invented. We just don’t think taxpayers should pay for it unless they want to buy it for themselves or are willing to donate their money to groups who fill those gaps when and where they actually exist.

There’s another word for that. It’s called choice. Real choice.

The left is lying about abortion and contraception. And they will keep lying as long as they think it will win them votes.

No one is trying to use the federal government to limit your access to contraception and abortion. They don’t even want to limit your access to left wing Bullsh*t. It’s your right to be a fool, and I for one will protect that right. But you have the right to know that Democrats are lying to you and using you. What you do after that is your decision.

 
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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 12:32 PM
Wedge issues.

 

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Wedge issues.
Perhaps, but they are effectively used in a campaign of deception to peel off some voters and distract them from much larger issues that they should be basing their vote upon. Right on these pages some wrote before the last major election about how their vote was based on a variety of things, many of them trivial non-issues like this. Why worry that our currency is run by unaccountable fiscal despots whose identities are kept private, or we're being lied to every month about about unemployment, inflation, and the state of our economy. My candidate says they are going to get gov't to pay for my contraception, so they've got my vote!

We're getting exactly the gov't we deserve.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:11 PM
The fact that you are telling women this is a 'trivial non-issue' is exactly why the republicans/conservatives are in the trouble they are in..........

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:19 PM
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The fact that you are telling women this is a 'trivial non-issue' is exactly why the republicans/conservatives are in the trouble they are in..........


Ditto.

Everyone has a right to the issues that they find most important. What is number 1 on one person's list may be number 10 on another person's list. There is no wrong or right here - only wrong information when opinions are offered up as facts. Fact is that states have introduced several hundered pieces of legislation in the last few years to trample women's choice, and this is a loosing issue for the GOP to continue pursuing. Check out Texas, NC, Va as starting points.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:22 PM
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The fact that you are telling women this is a 'trivial non-issue' is exactly why the republicans/conservatives are in the trouble they are in..........
If we've reached the point where half of the population votes based on whether gov't pays for otherwise readily available contraception or not, then we're too lost to worry about the outcome of any election.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:34 PM
That is not the only issue for women......

So, it's ok that Texas says that identification for voting has to have the same name as a drivers license - mostly impacting women who have married/divorced?

It's ok that a state can require an invasive ultrasound if you want an abortion?

This isn't about who pays for contraception, like you are claiming.

Look again at Paul Ryan and his 'a rapist can sue you if you try to abort a kid from the rape' to see what women are up against .................


You know, trivial non-issues............


 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:55 PM
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The fact that you are telling women this is a 'trivial non-issue' is exactly why the republicans/conservatives are in the trouble they are in..........


Some will never grasp this. They don't see the extremism in some of these whacko candidate's moronic ideologies. They ignore and deny the obvious. The GOP loss in Virginia the other night made it quite obvious that women care very much about these so called wedge issues. Want to call them wedge issues fine, but in the case of Virginia what those issues equated to was putting a wedge between the Republicans and victory.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 01:56 PM
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If we've reached the point where half of the population votes based on whether gov't pays for otherwise readily available contraception or not, then we're too lost to worry about the outcome of any election.


Vaginal probes? Prison time for oral sex?

 

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This isn't about who pays for contraception, like you are claiming.

Look again at Paul Ryan and his 'a rapist can sue you if you try to abort a kid from the rape' to see what women are up against .................
Re-read the article. This is about Federal control vs state's authority, egregious redefinitions of what someone's "rights" are, and then forcing others to pay for those questionable "rights".

The Federal gov't gets inserted into every nook and transaction in our society, and some wonder why we have an inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful system. Good lord!

 

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This isn't about who pays for contraception, like you are claiming.

Look again at Paul Ryan and his 'a rapist can sue you if you try to abort a kid from the rape' to see what women are up against .................
Re-read the article. This is about Federal control vs state's authority, egregious redefinitions of what someone's "rights" are, and then forcing others to pay for those questionable "rights".

The Federal gov't gets inserted into every nook and transaction in our society, and some wonder why we have an inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful system. Good lord!


Some state governments are literally inserting themselves in to a very specific "nook" and those who scream the loudest about government intrusion have no problem with that.

I don't think I'm alone in observing that little contradiction.

 

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This isn't about who pays for contraception, like you are claiming.

Look again at Paul Ryan and his 'a rapist can sue you if you try to abort a kid from the rape' to see what women are up against .................
Re-read the article. This is about Federal control vs state's authority, egregious redefinitions of what someone's "rights" are, and then forcing others to pay for those questionable "rights".

The Federal gov't gets inserted into every nook and transaction in our society, and some wonder why we have an inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful system. Good lord!





Then what does he mean by:

No one is trying to use the federal government to limit your access to contraception and abortion. ?

 

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"Then what does he mean by:
No one is trying to use the federal government to limit your access to contraception and abortion. ?"

The believe is tax payer's money shouldn't be going to other's contraceptives and abortions. There are many who are prolife that don't feel they should be financially supporting this.

Then of course there is the late term abortion debate that is on going, is this what on here are referring to? or is it for the 16 year old that some believe that there parents should be made aware of before they get an abortion?

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"So, it's ok that Texas says that identification for voting has to have the same name as a drivers license - mostly impacting women who have married/divorced? "

Anoter issue -Voter ID , I thought that was just the war on the poor.


 

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This isn't about who pays for contraception, like you are claiming.

Look again at Paul Ryan and his 'a rapist can sue you if you try to abort a kid from the rape' to see what women are up against .................
Re-read the article. This is about Federal control vs state's authority, egregious redefinitions of what someone's "rights" are, and then forcing others to pay for those questionable "rights".

The Federal gov't gets inserted into every nook and transaction in our society, and some wonder why we have an inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful system. Good lord!
Then what does he mean by:

No one is trying to use the federal government to limit your access to contraception and abortion. ?
Can you name any potentially serious, organized threat to the access of these products or services? That doesn't mean some nutball comment from a random politician. No? That's what he means, despite all the contrived promotion of a war on women.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 06:14 PM
Sure there is. There is a reason this topic is the major discussion topic every time a Supreme Court nomination comes up.. There is absolutely an effort among those on the far right to use everything in their power to limit abortion, and to a lesser extent birth control. The war on women is a lot more real than the made up war on Christmas that I'm sure will be a topic among conservatives in a few weeks, once they hear someone say those horrible words Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings for the first time this year.
 

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"Can you name any potentially serious, organized threat to the access of these products or services? That doesn't mean some nutball comment from a random politician. No? That's what he means, despite all the contrived promotion of a war on women."


Substitute "guns" into this sentence and you've got something.

 

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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 08:21 PM
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The Federal gov't gets inserted into every nook and transaction in our society, and some wonder why we have an inefficient, corrupt, and wasteful system. Good lord!


Why do you insist the government will screw up everything it gets involved in? It seems as though you have much more faith in the private sector, but there are many like me who have much more faith in the goverment than private citizens. Imagine how many monopolies we'd have without government regulation. Imagine what our cities and towns would be without zoning laws. I think our society would be in a much worse place if the government did not get involved in these topics.

Regarding the garbage article in the original post, every taxpayer pays a school tax, whether they have kids or not. Why? Because developing education in our children is probably the most important ingredient to our future (now I have Whitney Houston stuck in my head.) When the government gets involved in this contraception issue, it's to prevent an onslaught of unwanted teen pregnancies. By doing so, we minimize the amount of abortions which all people want. We minimize the spread of STD's. We minimize the amount of kids growing up in foster homes. We minimize the amount of children born into a life of dysfunction and neglect, thus minimizing the need for SOCIAL WELFARE. By having taxpayers fund it, we make it easier to obtain for teens. The taxes we pay for contraception are a fraction of what it would be to cover the costs of an over-abundance of unwanted children in foster care. I know, it's the parents who should do a better job....of course, but does anyone expect that to ever happen? There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that is ever going to happen, so the only other option is to regulate it.

The problem with Republicans is that they reject any type of government involvement even if it's for the good of the country and for everyone involved because they have a paranoid fear of a "right" being taken away. That's what I got out of that article. "I shouldn't have to pay a contraception tax if I don't have a kid". I, I, I, I. That's like saying you shouldn't have to pay towards local police because you won't ever call 911. That's all you hear from Republicans is "I". Never about what's best for the country.



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  posted on 11/7/2013 at 09:37 PM
In the interests of accuracy, I think what we have may be a War on Unlimited Abortion on Demand or something of the like. Maybe.

However, still nothing measures up to a supposed "War on Women." For instance, aren't roughly half of all women pro-life? How could the GOP at "war" with them?

 

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In the interests of accuracy, I think what we have may be a War on Unlimited Abortion on Demand or something of the like. Maybe.

However, still nothing measures up to a supposed "War on Women." For instance, aren't roughly half of all women pro-life? How could the GOP at "war" with them?


It goes well beyond abortion:

The GOP opposed the renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, the city council in Topeka, Kansas decriminalized domestic violence as a response to budget cuts, Wisconsin repealed the Equal Pay Enforcement Act, the entire redefinition of "legitimate rape," and in Georgia there is an effort to change the legal term for women victims of rape, stalking and domestic violence from "victim" to "accuser." Say what you want, but there certainly reasons beyond just abortion that women may feel like that they are being made second class citizens by the GOP.

 

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In the interests of accuracy, I think what we have may be a War on Unlimited Abortion on Demand or something of the like. Maybe.

However, still nothing measures up to a supposed "War on Women." For instance, aren't roughly half of all women pro-life? How could the GOP at "war" with them?


Here are some interesting stats from the far right Ken Cucellini loss in Va Governor's race.


Women, Unmarried Voters Key To McAuliffe's Virginia Victory

The Huffington Post | By Ariel Edwards-Levy Posted: 11/05/2013 11:28 pm EST
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Women and unmarried voters played a crucial role in Democratic businessman Terry McAuliffe's surprisingly narrow win in the Virginia governor's race over Republican state attorney general Ken Cuccinelli.

Polls throughout the race found Cuccinelli, a tea party-backed social conservative, lagging among women. While final exit poll results weren't yet available, data late Tuesday showed McAuliffe leading Cuccinelli by 9 percentage points among women, 51 percent to 42 percent. Cuccinelli had a 3-point lead among men, 48 percent to 45 percent.

The division along the lines of marital status was especially stark.

Cuccinelli was ahead among married people of both genders, with a 6-point lead among married men and a 9-point lead among married women. But unmarried voters, especially women, preferred McAuliffe by wide margins. He beat Cuccinelli by 25 points among unmarried men and 42 points among unmarried women. Unmarried voters made up about a third of Tuesday's electorate, according to polls.

“Tonight’s victory reaffirms the significance of marital status, more than just gender, in determining election outcomes," said Page Gardner, president of the non-profit Women’s Voices Women Vote Action Fund. "Candidates who ignore issues that matter most to unmarried women do so at their own peril.”

Cuccinelli made a late campaign appeal to women, highlighting his work as attorney general to fight domestic violence and human trafficking. "I'm the only candidate in the race who's actually ever done anything to protect women," he told radio host Laura Ingraham on Friday. He argued his opposition to the Affordable Care Act puts him in line with women voters.

But Cuccinelli's efforts were overshadowed by his outspoken social conservatism, including his staunch opposition to abortion.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 04:49 PM
Nothing at the federal level by the GOP to restrict womens' choice?


Sen. Lindsey Graham introduces abortion bill

By Jackie Kucinich
November 7 at 4:42 pm

U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) (R) speak during a push for new bipartisan media shield legislation during a news conference at the U.S. Capitol in Washington, July 17, 2013. Also pictured is co-sponsor Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN) (L). REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst (UNITED STATES - Tags: POLITICS MEDIA)

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) (Jonathan Ernst/Reuters)

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) called on Senate leaders to allow a vote before the midterm elections on a proposal that would ban abortions after 20 weeks, even if it might not have the support to pass.

"I'm asking for Senator McConnell and Senator Reid to allow us to vote on this, in 2014. I know we are really busy around here and there's no room to do anything, but we'll find some time to talk about this issue," he said Thursday during a news conference with Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) and several other members of the antiabortion community.

While Graham conceded that there would be "short of 50" votes for the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," he said support would grow as the public better understood the legislation.

Graham's bill would ban abortions starting at 20 weeks of gestation except in cases of rape, "incest against a minor" or when the mother's life is in danger.

A similar bill passed the Republican-controlled House in June.

Graham's proposal marks the second time in as many weeks that the South Carolinian has publically pushed issues popular with the right.

Last week, Graham pledged to block executive nominations until Congress was able to interview survivors of the attack last year on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

Graham, who faces a primary challenge from the right next summer, brushed away a question about the timing of the proposal that has little chance of going anywhere in the Democratically controlled Senate.

"I came into the political arena pro-life, and I will leave pro-life," he said. "Now whether or not I leave next June or some later period, will be up to the voters in South Carolina."

The right blasted Graham as recently as last month for his refusal to support a proposal to tie the debt ceiling and government shutdown to defunding the Affordable Care Act.

On Thursday, Graham said this most recent proposal would likely do little to erase other issues with his record.

"Did I wake up because I got a primary and say, 'Hey, let's be pro-life?' No, I'm honored to do this, this is important to me, this is why I want to be a senator, " he said. "Will it wipe away all the other criticisms? No."

 

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OK, now I'm worried. Where's Bigann? She should own this thread.

 

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Wedge issue to who???? Maybe to you Doug but last time I looked you are not a woman and you don't live in Virginia. I guarantee that for women living in Virginia these issues are not wedge issues and those women are the ones whose votes count in Virginia. It cost the GOP Virginia and it would cost them another general election if whoever they nominate push such incredible stupidity.

 

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So we are talking about late term abortions . People who are agianst this are waging a war on women?
Just curious you have no problem with this. Do you think there should be any limits to abortion
is 8 month ok with you

Why don't we call this the democrat war on babies

 

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  posted on 11/8/2013 at 10:54 PM
Half the aborted babies are females. So tell us again, who's really fighting a war on women? Something wrong with that picture.
 
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