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  posted on 11/30/2013 at 05:17 PM
My son signed up here in California , where O-care hasn't been sabotaged , and got a silver plan for about $80 a month . He's 26 with a pre-exsisting condition . When he aged out of our plan thanks to O-care he was able to stay on until he was 26 the insurance co wanted $800 a month. That's our gift from Obamacare....thanks

 

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  posted on 11/30/2013 at 05:45 PM
You might consider thanking whatever collection of citizens are paying for the subsidy that makes up the rest of that policy's full cost. Obamacare is just the mechanism that transfers their money to your son's care. You better hope there are plenty of them participating, or else that artificial rate won't last long.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2013 at 07:36 PM
Yes and myself and 171,000 other Veterans lost our TRICARE coverage.

 

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Yes and myself and 171,000 other Veterans lost our TRICARE coverage.


So where does that leave you Scotty? Will you have any healthcare? We had to fight hard for my Dad's benefits but, with the help of Congressman Marshall, we were able to get his injuries associated with combat time.

I found the following about TriCare. I assume you fall into one of the bolded categories?


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Q: How are military service members and retirees going to be affected by Obamacare? - J.W., Autryville

A: The Defense Department says the Affordable Care Act - aka Obamacare - will have little impact on Tricare beneficiaries because they already have the minimum essential coverage that's required by the law.

In a news release issued last month, the department said that's the case for beneficiaries who receive Tricare benefits, whether it's at no cost, by electing to pay an enrollment fee or by paying monthly premiums. It said that includes Tricare Prime, Prime Remote and Standard. It also includes Tricare Reserve Select; Tricare Young Adult; Tricare Retired Reserve; and the Continued Health Benefit Program, all of which are premium-based plans.

The department said eligibility alone for the premium-based Tricare plans doesn't constitute minimum essential coverage. Eligible beneficiaries must purchase that coverage and be in good standing (with their premiums paid) in order to qualify as having minimum essential coverage.

Meanwhile, it said, two groups of Tricare beneficiaries don't meet the minimum essential coverage requirement - those receiving care only for line-of-duty conditions and those who are only eligible to receive care in military hospitals or clinics.

Starting with the 2014 tax season, the Defense Department will annually send every Tricare beneficiary a notification detailing whether sponsors and their dependents had minimum essential coverage the previous year. Beneficiaries can use that information when filling out their tax forms.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2013 at 10:50 PM
Fuj, I have to thank the thousands of others whompaid into Untied Health Care which I had on a past job and I jsut happen to befall a serious situation then. the health situation 2005 was nothing I did, asked for or anything else.

2000-I should be thanked by all those who used Cigna when I was on another job and I never used Cigna for anything. I think my annual docotrs' visit was paid for by me after noith meeting the deductable.

Point? My point is an equal answer to your point.

I shpould also be tahnked for paying Soc. Security which I will never get because I have been told by the time I get 65, that will not be. Also,with my current job/career, I will not be able to calim at retirment Soc. Sec. and the retirement from which I work.

It is tit for tat.

Not everyone can be pleased.

Scotty, there is ,msut be soemthing that can be done in your situation.
Our US Military and I am pro military all the way, 100% Red, White and Blue American flag waver, but we treat our military like SH*T.
Still do. Always did.
Ever been to a VA hospital?
Dangerous places. Always have been.
Good, great nurses and doctors and equipment and other staff but simply not enough of any .

 

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  posted on 11/30/2013 at 11:00 PM
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Point? My point is an equal answer to your point.
Sadly, it is not.

You're comparing unequal market conditions and choices. While it is true that any insurance is a shared pool of risk, that pool existed in a more free market that offered more choices before. Now, choice is being defined by gov't mandate. And as many who pay for their own insurance have found, those mandates are forcing coverage of many things they will never use, while forcing premiums that are far higher than anything they have paid before.

Not remotely the same thing, is it?

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 07:48 AM


[Edited on 10/7/2014 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 09:47 AM
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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.

Why can't I shop for an MRI like I can an airline ticket? Now that would be a true marketplace. If I could pull up on-line my local hospitals with a list of services and cost, and doctor ratings, well, I could see cost dropping and an increase in productivity.

Isn't it funny how the cost of plastic surgery is kept in check. It isn't driven by insurance, people pay for it out of pocket, and thus prices are kept in check.

Being forced to pay for insurance coverage you don't want or need and being fined (taxed) if you don't comply is the most un-American thing I have ever seen, well, next to the bailouts.

Health savings accounts are the answer ... Dr. Ben Carson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZf9Y6BiKk

If I wreck my car, can I go buy insurance after the accident and have them pay for it? Of course not. You should pay more, but not be denied, for pre-existing conditions.

The death panels are real, just ask Mark Halperin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bbYDJqrsk

From Freedom to Fascism .... by Aaron Russo
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Elective/cosmetic plastic surgery is free-market. Reconstructive is not. And; the worse the insurance the better off they do - as things such as breast reconstruction/reconstruction after cancer surgery are mandated if no one is in network the insurance companies then are mandated to pay very high rates. The whole system is broken; there are limited resources; we as a society have to decide how to divide the pie. BUT THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PIE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED - HOWEVER IT IS DONE SOME WILL BE HAPPY AND SOME UNHAPPY

 

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[Edited on 10/7/2014 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 11:10 AM
Unless you are ready to enforce a system where people with no resources are denied care in an emergency it is a matter of semantics; that is the only way no one is paying for someone else.
 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 11:25 AM
A market based solution has never and will never work because of greed. That's why Medicare was created to begin with. Reagan pushed and signed the bill in 1986 that made emergency rooms render service to people regardless of their ability to pay for it. So I guess Reagan was a socialist and Un-American.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 11:52 AM
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Being forced to pay for someone else's piece of the pie is un-American.





Well, you must live in a different America.

Like I have said before, it happens in almost every industry...

You pay for theft at retail stores in the form of higher prices....

You pay for the people who do not pay their electric, gas, and water bills through higher rates....

You pay for those without insurance through higher rates......health and auto.........

You pay for roads, infrastructure, schools, fire and police protection through taxes.......

Welcome to living in a society.........

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 12:04 PM
Sang is.........(gulp).......right.

 

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  posted on 12/1/2013 at 02:57 PM
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A market based solution has never and will never work because of greed.
But the incompetence and gross waste of public systems are acceptable? Medicare has an estimated waste of 20%, which is far higher than the profits of health insurance providers.

Folks on your side of the debate are fond of asking "what's the GOP alternative" in order to shut down discussion. In same the manner; "what's the alternative to public health care systems with such high cost and waste?" The ones we have are fiscally unsustainable, with enormous waste. What's the alternative to those other than blind faith?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 12:31 AM
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Unless you are ready to enforce a system where people with no resources are denied care in an emergency it is a matter of semantics; that is the only way no one is paying for someone else.


Exactly. If you are in a car accident and have no proof of insurance and don't have $10,000 in tour wallet, then move them to the gutter on the side of the road and leave them there. That is the only way that you won't be paying for others health care.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 01:56 AM
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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.


But right now I'm paying for all those who don't have insurance. Shouldn't they have to carry their weight? How long should we let those people without insurance suck the lifeblood out of our economy?

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 06:38 AM
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A market based solution has never and will never work because of greed.
But the incompetence and gross waste of public systems are acceptable? Medicare has an estimated waste of 20%, which is far higher than the profits of health insurance providers.

Folks on your side of the debate are fond of asking "what's the GOP alternative" in order to shut down discussion. In same the manner; "what's the alternative to public health care systems with such high cost and waste?" The ones we have are fiscally unsustainable, with enormous waste. What's the alternative to those other than blind faith?


You are dead wrong. Medicare has controlled costs far better than the private sector.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 06:40 AM
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You might consider thanking whatever collection of citizens are paying for the subsidy that makes up the rest of that policy's full cost. Obamacare is just the mechanism that transfers their money to your son's care. You better hope there are plenty of them participating, or else that artificial rate won't last long.


I'd much rather have our money towards helping our own citizens that need health care than supporting the 700 military bases outside our borders and the billions in corporate welfare we fork out.

 

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A market based solution has never and will never work because of greed.
But the incompetence and gross waste of public systems are acceptable? Medicare has an estimated waste of 20%, which is far higher than the profits of health insurance providers.

Folks on your side of the debate are fond of asking "what's the GOP alternative" in order to shut down discussion. In same the manner; "what's the alternative to public health care systems with such high cost and waste?" The ones we have are fiscally unsustainable, with enormous waste. What's the alternative to those other than blind faith?
You are dead wrong. Medicare has controlled costs far better than the private sector.
Proved by what? Google "Medicare waste" and get thousands of examples to the contrary. Estimates of just improper payments last year were $50 billion - 10% of their budget...

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/09/27/How-Medicare-Wastes-Almos t-50-Billion-a-Year

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 11:52 AM
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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.

Why can't I shop for an MRI like I can an airline ticket? Now that would be a true marketplace. If I could pull up on-line my local hospitals with a list of services and cost, and doctor ratings, well, I could see cost dropping and an increase in productivity.

Isn't it funny how the cost of plastic surgery is kept in check. It isn't driven by insurance, people pay for it out of pocket, and thus prices are kept in check.

Being forced to pay for insurance coverage you don't want or need and being fined (taxed) if you don't comply is the most un-American thing I have ever seen, well, next to the bailouts.

Health savings accounts are the answer ... Dr. Ben Carson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZf9Y6BiKk

If I wreck my car, can I go buy insurance after the accident and have them pay for it? Of course not. You should pay more, but not be denied, for pre-existing conditions.

The death panels are real, just ask Mark Halperin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bbYDJqrsk

From Freedom to Fascism .... by Aaron Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak




Elective/cosmetic plastic surgery is free-market. Reconstructive is not. And; the worse the insurance the better off they do - as things such as breast reconstruction/reconstruction after cancer surgery are mandated if no one is in network the insurance companies then are mandated to pay very high rates. The whole system is broken; there are limited resources; we as a society have to decide how to divide the pie. BUT THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PIE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED - HOWEVER IT IS DONE SOME WILL BE HAPPY AND SOME UNHAPPY


The thing everyone continues to ignore is that Obama as leader did not enroll the nation in the idea you describe above. Instead he lied about it claiming that nobody would either lose their insurance or be harmed in any way and that costs would come down. He did this because he knew it would not pass if the nation realized the truth. The ends appear to justify the means for the left but the reality is that this bill was passed on false pretenses. Truly false pretenses. To me that is the beginning of the true slippery slope towards tyranny.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2013 at 12:17 PM
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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.

Why can't I shop for an MRI like I can an airline ticket? Now that would be a true marketplace. If I could pull up on-line my local hospitals with a list of services and cost, and doctor ratings, well, I could see cost dropping and an increase in productivity.

Isn't it funny how the cost of plastic surgery is kept in check. It isn't driven by insurance, people pay for it out of pocket, and thus prices are kept in check.

Being forced to pay for insurance coverage you don't want or need and being fined (taxed) if you don't comply is the most un-American thing I have ever seen, well, next to the bailouts.

Health savings accounts are the answer ... Dr. Ben Carson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZf9Y6BiKk

If I wreck my car, can I go buy insurance after the accident and have them pay for it? Of course not. You should pay more, but not be denied, for pre-existing conditions.

The death panels are real, just ask Mark Halperin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bbYDJqrsk

From Freedom to Fascism .... by Aaron Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak




Elective/cosmetic plastic surgery is free-market. Reconstructive is not. And; the worse the insurance the better off they do - as things such as breast reconstruction/reconstruction after cancer surgery are mandated if no one is in network the insurance companies then are mandated to pay very high rates. The whole system is broken; there are limited resources; we as a society have to decide how to divide the pie. BUT THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PIE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED - HOWEVER IT IS DONE SOME WILL BE HAPPY AND SOME UNHAPPY


People should be happy only when that healthcare pie is divided equally.

 

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You might consider thanking whatever collection of citizens are paying for the subsidy that makes up the rest of that policy's full cost. Obamacare is just the mechanism that transfers their money to your son's care. You better hope there are plenty of them participating, or else that artificial rate won't last long.


I'd much rather have our money towards helping our own citizens that need health care than supporting the 700 military bases outside our borders and the billions in corporate welfare we fork out.


Ditto!!!

 

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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.

Why can't I shop for an MRI like I can an airline ticket? Now that would be a true marketplace. If I could pull up on-line my local hospitals with a list of services and cost, and doctor ratings, well, I could see cost dropping and an increase in productivity.

Isn't it funny how the cost of plastic surgery is kept in check. It isn't driven by insurance, people pay for it out of pocket, and thus prices are kept in check.

Being forced to pay for insurance coverage you don't want or need and being fined (taxed) if you don't comply is the most un-American thing I have ever seen, well, next to the bailouts.

Health savings accounts are the answer ... Dr. Ben Carson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZf9Y6BiKk

If I wreck my car, can I go buy insurance after the accident and have them pay for it? Of course not. You should pay more, but not be denied, for pre-existing conditions.

The death panels are real, just ask Mark Halperin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bbYDJqrsk

From Freedom to Fascism .... by Aaron Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak




Elective/cosmetic plastic surgery is free-market. Reconstructive is not. And; the worse the insurance the better off they do - as things such as breast reconstruction/reconstruction after cancer surgery are mandated if no one is in network the insurance companies then are mandated to pay very high rates. The whole system is broken; there are limited resources; we as a society have to decide how to divide the pie. BUT THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PIE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED - HOWEVER IT IS DONE SOME WILL BE HAPPY AND SOME UNHAPPY


The thing everyone continues to ignore is that Obama as leader did not enroll the nation in the idea you describe above. Instead he lied about it claiming that nobody would either lose their insurance or be harmed in any way and that costs would come down. He did this because he knew it would not pass if the nation realized the truth. The ends appear to justify the means for the left but the reality is that this bill was passed on false pretenses. Truly false pretenses. To me that is the beginning of the true slippery slope towards tyranny.


I would rather false pretenses for a good cause then false pretenses for a bad cause, like to start a war that cost tons of money and American lives. At least these false pretenses if they were false were to try to help Americans in need. I can live with that.

 

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There has to be a better way to get your son covered reasonably than to cancel millions of policies or doctor choices for others.

 

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Fascism at its best. The many are forced to pay for the few thru government coercion.

Why can't I shop for an MRI like I can an airline ticket? Now that would be a true marketplace. If I could pull up on-line my local hospitals with a list of services and cost, and doctor ratings, well, I could see cost dropping and an increase in productivity.

Isn't it funny how the cost of plastic surgery is kept in check. It isn't driven by insurance, people pay for it out of pocket, and thus prices are kept in check.

Being forced to pay for insurance coverage you don't want or need and being fined (taxed) if you don't comply is the most un-American thing I have ever seen, well, next to the bailouts.

Health savings accounts are the answer ... Dr. Ben Carson.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHZf9Y6BiKk

If I wreck my car, can I go buy insurance after the accident and have them pay for it? Of course not. You should pay more, but not be denied, for pre-existing conditions.

The death panels are real, just ask Mark Halperin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51bbYDJqrsk

From Freedom to Fascism .... by Aaron Russo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNNeVu8wUak




Elective/cosmetic plastic surgery is free-market. Reconstructive is not. And; the worse the insurance the better off they do - as things such as breast reconstruction/reconstruction after cancer surgery are mandated if no one is in network the insurance companies then are mandated to pay very high rates. The whole system is broken; there are limited resources; we as a society have to decide how to divide the pie. BUT THERE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A PIE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DIVIDED - HOWEVER IT IS DONE SOME WILL BE HAPPY AND SOME UNHAPPY


The thing everyone continues to ignore is that Obama as leader did not enroll the nation in the idea you describe above. Instead he lied about it claiming that nobody would either lose their insurance or be harmed in any way and that costs would come down. He did this because he knew it would not pass if the nation realized the truth. The ends appear to justify the means for the left but the reality is that this bill was passed on false pretenses. Truly false pretenses. To me that is the beginning of the true slippery slope towards tyranny.


I would rather false pretenses for a good cause then false pretenses for a bad cause, like to start a war that cost tons of money and American lives. At least these false pretenses if they were false were to try to help Americans in need. I can live with that.


Unbelievable. False pretenses for a good cause? Unbelievable.

 

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