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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 08:15 PM
Based on Mountain Jam, it's not hard to see why Warren and Derek decided to move on from the ABB and focus on their solo bands.

I heard some of the Mule show on the Mountain Jam stream, and even though the quality was crappy, the band sounded really solid. It seems to have gone over well with others on this website. They have gelled nicely with Jorgen on bass and you can't blame Warren for wanting to play more with the Mule, a band he already left the ABB to focus on once. Govt Mule has been Warren's main musical outlet for 20 years and long may they run!

I watched the entire Tedeschi-Trucks show on Youtube and was dumbfounded by how much better they sounded since Wanee, only a couple months ago. It may have taken them a few years to find their sound, but I think they have really turned a corner and are one of the best live bands going right now. You can't fault Derek for wanting to focus more on a band with such potential, one that seems to be going in the right direction and getting better all the time.

In contrast, the ABB set was a literal retread of 2 albums recorded over 40 years ago, and didn't sound very fresh or compelling. While the show had its moments, it seemed to me that the ABB has lost their mojo, especially compared to the display put on by Mule and TTB this weekend.

I don't blame them one bit. Thanks to Warren and Derek for carrying the ABB torch for so many years, and I wish them all the best in their current bands, both of which are well deserving of their undivided attention.

 
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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 08:35 PM
Agreed, they have taken a couple of steps backwards since their peak in 2009. There have been some nice moments over the past few years but not enough to sustain moving forward. They looked bored playing SB as the encore (as well they should)
 
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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 08:53 PM
I was at Mountain Jam this year and I thought the band sounded great. Loved seeing my favorite band play in front of a large crowd. I knew going in what was coming next but many others did not know. The crowd sure was digging the Brothers. Statesboro encore was a sing along. Not sure why Every Hungry Woman was MIA. I do agree with you Rob that TTB gets better every time I see them. They are finding their groove. That Mule set was off the charts.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 09:17 PM
The ABB show had some enjoyable moments, but tori hit the nail on the head. Listen to 3/26/09, a show from only 5 years ago with the exact same setlist, and it's hard to argue that the band is on the way up. They are still better than most bands, but they are not as good as they used to be even 5 years ago, much less 40.

On the other hand, both TTB and Mule seemed not just good, but hungry and getting better all the time. I think both band are worthy of the singular focus that Derek and Warren are going to be giving them.

That is the decision I am saying is the right call, more so than the decision to leave the ABB, although they are obviously connected.

 
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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:07 PM
Completely agree. Simply put, Warren and Derek play extremely inspired and animated when with their own bands, and uninspired with the ABB. They are clearly bored with the songs. And I don't think the lack of new material is the only problem. They should change up tempos and structures, but for some reason, the 3 orignal members haven't done that lately. That used to be their selling point. When I started seeing them in '99, I never heard the same song played the same way twice. But these 2 guitarists clearly want to move on, so I've finally accepted it. After seeing what the Mule did, it was very clear that they should leave.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:18 PM
I too thought the performance was sub-par (and may have been influenced somewhat by the album gimmick stealing any surprise factor). Maybe part of it is the interpersonal dynamics as a result of the announcement, rather than the band being on the decline and therefore the announcement. A chicken-egg thing.

Do the old-timers resent the announcement, thus ending their gravy-train? Do Warren and Derek resent the half-assed attempt of the legacy members to go on w/ replacements? All of the above?

It's probably not fair to compare a single performance almost in the middle of a 4 month gap between shows to one a good two weeks into a Beacon run. The band is always dialed in to the familiar surroundings of the Beacon, and rehearse for it.

Regardless, I too think it is the right call, as the 45th is as good a time as any to end it before there is a marked drop in quality or health issues prevent continuing. It's been a much longer run than I possibly could have imagined, and I'm grateful and prepared for the end (even though it should be in MACON!).

 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:18 PM
During the Wannee shows, I noticed a little less motivation from Derek, warren, and oteil. don't get me wrong, the band sounded great. After watching the streams from Mountain Jam, I have to say that Derek, warren, and oteil see the end is near. They performed like they had to complete a job that they don't necessary want to do. Why would Derek and Warren want to really blow the doors off the roof in ABB. They save that mojo for their own bands. They make much more with their own bands than being in the ABB. I do find it sad that Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe have to end the ABB this way, but they seem like they are ready to focus on other projects.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:24 PM
I was at the Beacon on 3-26-09 and listened to the stream from Mt Jam last night. Comparing the two performances is almost like comparing apples to oranges.

3-26-09 was a special night and a milestone for the ABB. They expressed their sentiment and emotion in the music they played and it was seen, felt, and heard by the audience. Its hard for me to even put into words how magical that evening was for me, and I'm sure almost everyone else in the Beacon that night, ABB included.

The same songs were played at Mt Jam last night as were played at the Beacon on 3-26-09. There were a few good moments for me, but there was nothing special or magical about the performance. For the most part, it seemed as if the band was just going through the motions of playing the songs, but without any emotion, and almost as if they were just fulfilling an obligation.

I still have mixed feelings about the end of the ABB, but after last night, I too am starting to think Derek and Warren are doing the right thing by moving on.


 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:28 PM
I also like to add....I do not like the fact that Derek has made and continues to make comments indirectly or directly about the original members. At this point, Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old. Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential. I don't know if its the case, but could Derek be trying to shift ABB fans and the spotlight onto his band and projects. Maybe I am wrong.

[Edited on 6/10/2014 by mulelouisville]

 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 10:36 PM
mulelouisville, I completely agree. I'm not thrilled about Derek's comments. I find them to be disrespectful and inaccurate. First, while they may not be at their 2009 status, Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe can still put out an A product. They are nowhere near done performing at a high level....maybe not as high as 2009, but still a very high level. For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate. If he is bored, that's fine. But he should be commenting on his boredom, not the quality of the 3 remaining guys and their abilities. At Mountain Jam, those 3 originals sounded great, period.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 11:05 PM
"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.

"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?

If the original members don't have the sense to know when to bow out gracefully, that is on them, not Derek.

"For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate."

It's all subjective, but listen to that 3/26/09 show, then listen to last night and tell me they aren't a shell of what they were just 5 years ago.

I suppose if I didn't agree with Derek's statements to some degree, I wouldn't have made this thread and given it this title.


 
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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 11:28 PM
I don't recall these interviews with Derek that go to those lengths. However, I do agree with a lot of those points that he didn't directly make.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 11:36 PM
last night was just last night. Some of the shows I've seen in the past 2 or 3 years were WAY better than last night. I also went to a Beacon show on a Tuesday night back in '04 and it was awful. Last night was a festival show. All artists say that festival shows are tough to play because they don't get a soundcheck. I'm anxious to hear the October Beacon shows. Those will be the true representation of what this band can still do. I'l be there on 10/22. I'll bet my bottom dollar they blow the roof off the place and floor everyone.

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  posted on 6/9/2014 at 11:54 PM
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"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.

"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?

If the original members don't have the sense to know when to bow out gracefully, that is on them, not Derek.

"For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate."

It's all subjective, but listen to that 3/26/09 show, then listen to last night and tell me they aren't a shell of what they were just 5 years ago.

I suppose if I didn't agree with Derek's statements to some degree, I wouldn't have made this thread and given it this title.




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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 12:27 AM
I do agree and see your points. Its sad seing Gregg take hits from and oxygen tank and seeing Jaimoe stay seated while everyone takes a break. BUT no other bands did two albums worth of material.

For some of use it was an awesome show !!
I enjoy Derek and Warrens playing more with the ABB.
For many of us MTJ was our last chance to see the greatest Live band ever.
And they did not disappoint. Some of us have never been to the beacon and prob won't be.
Derek and Warren are making the right call for all of us.
And yes some of the older ABB fans are starting to sound just as bad as the older Deadhead's.

 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 01:36 AM
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I do agree and see your points. Its sad seing Gregg take hits from and oxygen tank and seeing Jaimoe stay seated while everyone takes a break. BUT no other bands did two albums worth of material.


It is sad. Maybe they have given all the can due to their health. It is sadder still to see people be so negative about them on their band's site. They have given us plenty over the years. Will people ever give Greg any credit for his talent? So he's old. All people get old. Does that translate into....He's old let's bash him. He gave us 45 years....He doesn't deserve any respect. I'll bash him and make fun of him on his band own site.

I remember when Levon Helm could barely sing...I still enjoyed listen to the man. giving him the respect due him.

"I know y'all came to hear our songs, we like to play 'em for you but without Gregg here it's really hard for us to do. He sings & plays
so much & does such a good job. He's really sick, 103* He might've come, but no one would let him." Duane

The edit is this postscript.....No offense to anyone on this thread this just happen to be the thread where I voiced my feelings about the negativity that is through out this site.



[Edited on 6/10/2014 by Lissajess]

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 04:47 AM
quote:
"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.
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Agreed.

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"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?


Let's see, Gregg does not write anymore, the main songwriter is departing...and add to that the bass player and two guitarists......and what does this leave?...A singer/keyboardist and two percussionists...Do the math.



 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 04:49 AM
I am glad they are moving on,they will continue to make many more albums. But my main interest will be to see if Gregg is really going to make an all compositions by Gregg allman album...

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 05:17 AM
Bingo, but I think they peaked before 2009

 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 06:43 AM
quote:
"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.

"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?

If the original members don't have the sense to know when to bow out gracefully, that is on them, not Derek.

"For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate."

It's all subjective, but listen to that 3/26/09 show, then listen to last night and tell me they aren't a shell of what they were just 5 years ago.

I suppose if I didn't agree with Derek's statements to some degree, I wouldn't have made this thread and given it this title.


Your missing my point. Derek should not be making comments that shape the perceptions of the ABB fans base and the legacy of the band during its final year of performance. The comments if any should be made by the original members or management. As it stands, the word nostalgia act, fading away, being to old to give all you can, and other comments about Gregg have been made by Derek in recently interviews. All those comments have made the perceptions of the ABB fan base change. My point is he should not be making those types of comments, right or wrong, about the band and legacy. I remember when Derek was a shy kid on stage in awe of everything. Now he has ascended to a level to change peoples perceptions negatively of the ABB's final year. Warren has not made any comments that are remotely like Derek's comments.

 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 07:17 AM
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"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.

"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?

If the original members don't have the sense to know when to bow out gracefully, that is on them, not Derek.

"For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate."

It's all subjective, but listen to that 3/26/09 show, then listen to last night and tell me they aren't a shell of what they were just 5 years ago.

I suppose if I didn't agree with Derek's statements to some degree, I wouldn't have made this thread and given it this title.


Your missing my point. Derek should not be making comments that shape the perceptions of the ABB fans base and the legacy of the band during its final year of performance. The comments if any should be made by the original members or management. As it stands, the word nostalgia act, fading away, being to old to give all you can, and other comments about Gregg have been made by Derek in recently interviews. All those comments have made the perceptions of the ABB fan base change. My point is he should not be making those types of comments, right or wrong, about the band and legacy. I remember when Derek was a shy kid on stage in awe of everything. Now he has ascended to a level to change peoples perceptions negatively of the ABB's final year. Warren has not made any comments that are remotely like Derek's comments.


mulelouisville,

Great post. I totally agree with your perceptions.

I must have missed Derek's comments along the way, but if made then they seem surprising.

 

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"Derek makes Gregg and the originals members look like they are lost and old."

I think the original members do a good job of that without Derek's help.

"Derek has basically framed the current ABB band as a nostalgia or soon to be nostalgia act that should hang it up because its has no potential."

I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. Do you really see "potential" in the ABB at this point?

If the original members don't have the sense to know when to bow out gracefully, that is on them, not Derek.

"For Derek to imply that they are shells of themselves, or a fighter who has fought one too many fights, is completely unfair, and not accurate."

It's all subjective, but listen to that 3/26/09 show, then listen to last night and tell me they aren't a shell of what they were just 5 years ago.

I suppose if I didn't agree with Derek's statements to some degree, I wouldn't have made this thread and given it this title.


Your missing my point. Derek should not be making comments that shape the perceptions of the ABB fans base and the legacy of the band during its final year of performance. The comments if any should be made by the original members or management. As it stands, the word nostalgia act, fading away, being to old to give all you can, and other comments about Gregg have been made by Derek in recently interviews. All those comments have made the perceptions of the ABB fan base change. My point is he should not be making those types of comments, right or wrong, about the band and legacy. I remember when Derek was a shy kid on stage in awe of everything. Now he has ascended to a level to change peoples perceptions negatively of the ABB's final year. Warren has not made any comments that are remotely like Derek's comments.


mulelouisville,

Great post. I totally agree with your perceptions.

I must have missed Derek's comments along the way, but if made then they seem surprising.


Thing is ... they are perceptions.

I read all the same things. From Derek, Warren, Gregg and Butch.

Mostly what I got from Derek is he is ready to move on to do his own thing.
Warren made a comment he was surprised they talking about moving ahead without him and Derek.

Derek just wants the band to go out on top. That's it. Not limping along. Which a lot of fans have said for some time that that's all they've been doing. Various debates about whether they were a nostalgia or oldies act for a couple years now.

It is what it is, and the fans already have preconceived notions or have thought this without any mention from Derek.

Furthermore, none of us are really in the room with this band to know the dynamics (or lack thereof) and after 15 years, I'm guessing Derek has more right than any fan to make comments about this band.

Of course that's my opinion.

That, and I agree with what Rob said starting this thread.





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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 08:48 AM
How can any band play this type of music with any kind of off-the-charts quality when they only play here and there every few months?

 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 08:51 AM
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I also like to add....I do not like the fact that Derek has made and continues to make comments indirectly or directly about the original members.


Is there a link you can post to verify that this is accurate? At least one person here has questioned this statement.

 

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  posted on 6/10/2014 at 08:53 AM
I think Derek's comments are honest, which is something of a rarity around the ABB!

He has, by the sound of things, given his services to the band for five years longer than he planned, probably out of family loyalty.

The original members, while Butch still puts in a great shift for a man of his age (or much younger), have had their day. I have always thought that performers who go on long past their best almost to the point of ridicule are to be pitied, and I sincerely hope that Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe won't add themselves to the list. They can't need the money and are sitting on a trove of archive recordings if they ever do.


 
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