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Author: Subject: The President's Speech on US Intervention Against ISIL

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 03:13 PM
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Obama also made it clear, for the 100th time that we are not at war with Islam.

Well, we're not. So...

 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 03:41 PM
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Obama also made it clear, for the 100th time that we are not at war with Islam.

Well, we're not. So...

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So The American People, even Senators and Congressmen in his own party and calling for obama to take action against the Islamic Extremist Terrorists and stop with the word salad.

We know we are not at war with Islam. We don't need to be told daily that we are not.

The Nation and The World are crying out for the so-called leader of the free world to take action.

"Democrats, Republicans suggest Obama's military plan vs. ISIS doesn’t go far enough, has no actionable teeth.

Congressional Democrats and Republicans on Sunday criticized the proposal President Obama recently submitted to Capitol Hill on defeating The Islamic State, suggesting it doesn't go far enough and lacks strong leadership.

Some of the most pointed criticism came from Rhode Island Sen. Jack Reed, the top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

He said the part of the proposal that limits the use of U.S. military force to three years is "not appropriate."

"We don't want to send a signal to the world that we're there for just so many years,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “Unfortunately, this battle is going to take a long time. … I think we’d be better off with a resolution without a specific time limit.”




 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 03:52 PM
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"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them."




What's wrong with saying that?

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Because it says nothing about a plan to defeat terrorism.
It is nothing more than obama yet again in defense of him Muslim brothers.

In his daily speeches obama offers no plan while innocents are being killed.

No plan, no leadership.





Those words were spoken by President George W. Bush to a Special Joint Session of Congress nine days after 9/11.

Was he wrong?

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8 .html


mulemuffin, no comment on this?

 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 04:04 PM
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"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them."




What's wrong with saying that?

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Because it says nothing about a plan to defeat terrorism.
It is nothing more than obama yet again in defense of him Muslim brothers.

In his daily speeches obama offers no plan while innocents are being killed.

No plan, no leadership.





Those words were spoken by President George W. Bush to a Special Joint Session of Congress nine days after 9/11.

Was he wrong?

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8 .html


mulemuffin, no comment on this?


After seeing myself and others post links for him to read, I have come to the conclusion that he lacks the necessary skills to successfully click on a link.

 

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"I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them."




What's wrong with saying that?

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Because it says nothing about a plan to defeat terrorism.
It is nothing more than obama yet again in defense of him Muslim brothers.

In his daily speeches obama offers no plan while innocents are being killed.

No plan, no leadership.





Those words were spoken by President George W. Bush to a Special Joint Session of Congress nine days after 9/11.

Was he wrong?

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8 .html


mulemuffin, no comment on this?


After seeing myself and others post links for him to read, I have come to the conclusion that he lacks the necessary skills to successfully click on a link.

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You came to a conclusion?
That is hilarious.

I don't need to read history. I know it.

I also know that while almost everyone else clearly sees the need to remove the evil of ISIS and Al Al-Qaeda from this earth, obama's plan is to offer them economic opportunity and jobs and address their grievances.

There is your community organizer and chief.




 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 04:45 PM
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I don't need to read history. I know it.

I also know that while almost everyone else clearly sees the need to remove the evil of ISIS and Al Al-Qaeda from this earth, obama's plan is to offer them economic opportunity and jobs and address their grievances.




If you know your history, then certainly you would know that creation of economic stabilization with the goal of increased opportunity was a goal established by least three targeted benchmarks of our Iraq policy going back to at least 2007?

Several experts on terrorism have pointed to poverty as a stong factor when it comes to people becoming ensnared by radicalism. President Bush himself made that connection as far back as 2002.

So, I'm going to conclude that you would like to see full resumption of military activities in Iraq and the Middle East? Is that fair to make that assumption?

[Edited on 2/19/2015 by Bhawk]

 

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I don't need to read history. I know it.

I also know that while almost everyone else clearly sees the need to remove the evil of ISIS and Al Al-Qaeda from this earth, obama's plan is to offer them economic opportunity and jobs and address their grievances.




If you know your history, then certainly you would know that creation of economic stabilization with the goal of increased opportunity was a goal established by least three targeted benchmarks of our Iraq policy going back to at least 2007?

Several experts on terrorism have pointed to poverty as a stong factor when it comes to people becoming ensnared by radicalism. President Bush himself made that connection as far back as 2002.

So, I'm going to conclude that you would like to see full resumption of military activities in Iraq and the Middle East? Is that fair to make that assumption?

[Edited on 2/19/2015 by Bhawk]

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No.

I would like to see some leadership by obama to create an allied force with a definitive plan to defeat terrorism.

So far obama's "coallition" of 60 countries does not exist.
He won't name the countries nor what they are doing to help.

Obviously the sparse bombing of empty buildings is not working.
ISIS is expanding rapidly in Iraq and Syria and now into Libya amongst others.
Al-Qaeda has taken over Yemen, the country obama touted as one of his accomplishments.

obama's hashtag diplomacy is not getting the job done.





 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 05:48 PM
When the left-wing media goes after obama you know he is in trouble.


First MSNBC, Now Vox! Ultra-Left Ezra Klein Site Tells Obama to Stop ‘Outright Denying’ Radical Islam

Vox: Media, President Must End Political Correctness About Radical Islam

by John Sexton - 19 Feb 2015

One of Vox’s authors who has been at the forefront of the push to denounce critics of radical Islam as “Islamophobes” has dramatically reversed course on the issue of ISIS’ connection to Islam.

On Thursday, Max Fisher said it’s time for the president to stop pretending no such connection exists. Just as significant, he revealed that he and others in the media have been intentionally misleading Americans out of a desire to control what readers think about Islam.
Obama is faltering. He has veered so far into downplaying Islamist extremism that he appears at times to refuse to acknowledge its existence at all, or has referred to it as violent extremism. While he has correctly identified economic and political factors that give rise to extremism, he has appeared to downplay or outright deny an awkward but important fact: religion plays an important role as well. This is backfiring. Obama’s conspicuous and often awkward attempts to sidestep the role of religion in Islamist extremism end up only drawing more attention to it.

Fisher has previously written numerous articles for Vox claiming, for instance, that those who objected to his invocation of the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast were hate-mongers and Islamophobes. Today, Fisher said it’s time for Obama to tell the truth about ISIS: they are religiously and historically connected to Islam.

While ISIS’s Islam is reviled and rejected by the overwhelming majority of Muslims, the group and others like it are at least in part an earnest religious phenomenon, motivated by not-wholly-inaccurate revivals of puritanical medieval Islam, as well as by more modern — but still Islamic — strains of political Islamism. It is important for Americans to see that, and to see that their president sees it.

But Fisher goes beyond stating the truth to pointing out why he and so many others in the media have been seemingly eager to help the president conceal it.

To be fair to the Obama administration, the idea that ISIS and al-Qaeda are totally divorced from “real” Islam is one that the media — including me — have furthered as well. Motivated by a well-intentioned desire to curb Islamophobia, perhaps as well as a desire to undermine these groups’ ideology, this media narrative is nonetheless analytically incomplete. Worse, it is condescending, by suggesting that readers cannot be trusted with the truth.

The media knows what is true but they also know what they readers are supposed to think. Though he doesn’t use the phrase, what Fisher is describing is political correctness. Will anyone else in the media admit this has been driving coverage, or will Fisher become a pariah for doing so?

 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 09:58 PM
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If you know your history, then certainly you would know that creation of economic stabilization with the goal of increased opportunity was a goal established by least three targeted benchmarks of our Iraq policy going back to at least 2007?

Several experts on terrorism have pointed to poverty as a stong factor when it comes to people becoming ensnared by radicalism. President Bush himself made that connection as far back as 2002.
[Edited on 2/19/2015 by Bhawk]


It's heart warming to see Bush held up today as a voice of reason on these matters, with brilliance worthy of even being compared to Obama. Hell of a turnaround.

But maybe we should go back further. Had we propped up the German economy and instituted a jobs program there in the '30's, World War II could have been totally avoided.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2015 at 11:14 PM
Awww. Sticking up for your new boyfriend? That's cute!

 

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  posted on 2/20/2015 at 06:59 AM
I don't believe America, as a nation, has the will to do what it would take to defeat ISIS. Its not just Obama. We've been toying with Iraq and Afghanistan for well over a decade now, and ISIS is the result of our "efforts". All kinds of people are killed and maimed, defense industry warlords line their pockets, and most high school kids don't even know we're at war. I don't care how many bombs we drop or "boots we put on the ground", if we are not willing to go in, kill the enemy wherever we find them, destroy their infrastructure, safe havens, and means of supply, kill any and all who would hide, assist, or protect them in any way, take their lands and their homes, and destroy their will to engage us in war, nothing will change. We play at war like it was a video game and wonder why they don't just give up. They live in holes and eat bugs and know we don't have the will to defeat them. They're in it for the long haul, we don't want to see coffins coming home. They will burn innocents alive; we don't want any collateral casualties. We'd be better off staying home and taking care of our own than taking these tepid half measures that just increase and prolong suffering. They fight for something they believe in against something they despise on their home turf; we don't have a clue what we are doing or why. We haven't since WWII. If you're going to go to war, go all the way. That's how you defeat ISIS. Otherwise stay home.

 

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