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  posted on 11/18/2014 at 09:10 PM
So much for your conservative majority.

 

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  posted on 11/18/2014 at 10:02 PM
How this thing got politicized is as stupid as it is sad.

It's a pipeline!

 

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  posted on 11/18/2014 at 10:23 PM
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So much for your conservative majority.
Which doesn't happen in the Senate till the new year, though I doubt calling them "conservative" is a very good fit

 

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  posted on 11/18/2014 at 10:40 PM
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So much for your conservative majority.


Which doesn't happen in the Senate till the new year


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  posted on 11/18/2014 at 11:37 PM
It will be back.

 

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Too bad more people don't know about the Mayflower, Arkansas pipeline spill. It is almost like Exxon has super powers in the way they kept this disaster out of the news.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115624/exxon-oil-spill-arkansas-2013-how -pipeline-burst-mayflower

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 11:21 AM
Yes, the democrat controlled senate killed another job creating bill and in doing so, put the final nail in Sen. Landrieu’s (D-LA) attempt to get reelected. She didn’t have a chance of winning on her merits. As chairwoman of the senate energy committee she missed over 70% of the committees meetings.

Reid was also able to provide cover for obama who now does not have to veto a bill the majority of the people wanted passed.

The Canadian oil is and has been flowing into the U.S. by polluting trains and trucks for years but why should we build the pipeline and reduce emissions!

Good job liberals. You have but a few more weeks of obstruction left in your failed tenure in congress.



 

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Too bad more people don't know about the Mayflower, Arkansas pipeline spill. It is almost like Exxon has super powers in the way they kept this disaster out of the news.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115624/exxon-oil-spill-arkansas-2013-how -pipeline-burst-mayflower


A very sad and tragic incident, but most every worthwhile endeavor carries some risk.

 

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Yes, the democrat controlled senate killed another job creating bill and in doing so, put the final nail in Sen. Landrieu’s (D-LA) attempt to get reelected. She didn’t have a chance of winning on her merits. As chairwoman of the senate energy committee she missed over 70% of the committees meetings.

Reid was also able to provide cover for obama who now does not have to veto a bill the majority of the people wanted passed.

The Canadian oil is and has been flowing into the U.S. by polluting trains and trucks for years but why should we build the pipeline and reduce emissions!

Good job liberals. You have but a few more weeks of obstruction left in your failed tenure in congress.



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Yes, the democrat controlled senate killed another job creating bill and in doing so, put the final nail in Sen. Landrieu’s (D-LA) attempt to get reelected. She didn’t have a chance of winning on her merits. As chairwoman of the senate energy committee she missed over 70% of the committees meetings.

Reid was also able to provide cover for obama who now does not have to veto a bill the majority of the people wanted passed.

The Canadian oil is and has been flowing into the U.S. by polluting trains and trucks for years but why should we build the pipeline and reduce emissions!

Good job liberals. You have but a few more weeks of obstruction left in your failed tenure in congress.





It will create about 2,000 jobs for about 2 years and after it is completed estimates are it will have created about 50 permanent jobs so please lets stop making this sound like some grand jobs creation project.

And how about the people who might permanently lose their jobs in the industries that currently transport the oil once the pipeline is up and running? Never considered that eh Mule?

Nice try with your spin thought. keep them coming.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 01:01 PM

Is it better to give a man employment for two years or keep him dependant on foodstamps until the perfect Democrat-approved job opportunity comes along?

To me it seems like a no-brainer, create JOBS- long term, short term, whatever. Give people work. If someone aquires a skill building a pipeline they ultimately become more marketable in other opportunities.

 

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Yes, the democrat controlled senate killed another job creating bill and in doing so, put the final nail in Sen. Landrieu’s (D-LA) attempt to get reelected. She didn’t have a chance of winning on her merits. As chairwoman of the senate energy committee she missed over 70% of the committees meetings.

Reid was also able to provide cover for obama who now does not have to veto a bill the majority of the people wanted passed.

The Canadian oil is and has been flowing into the U.S. by polluting trains and trucks for years but why should we build the pipeline and reduce emissions!

Good job liberals. You have but a few more weeks of obstruction left in your failed tenure in congress.





It will create about 2,000 jobs for about 2 years and after it is completed estimates are it will have created about 50 permanent jobs so please lets stop making this sound like some grand jobs creation project.

And how about the people who might permanently lose their jobs in the industries that currently transport the oil once the pipeline is up and running? Never considered that eh Mule?

Nice try with your spin thought. keep them coming.

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Your numbers come straight out of the liberal talking points and are factually wrong.

Why the liberals are against Americans getting good jobs is disturbing but typical. Just another reason the democrats were dumped across all sectors of the last election.

Speaking of jobs, where is the democrats job bill?
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist.

No spin here. the democrats failed yet again to do the peoples work.

 

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Yes, the democrat controlled senate killed another job creating bill and in doing so, put the final nail in Sen. Landrieu’s (D-LA) attempt to get reelected. She didn’t have a chance of winning on her merits. As chairwoman of the senate energy committee she missed over 70% of the committees meetings.

Reid was also able to provide cover for obama who now does not have to veto a bill the majority of the people wanted passed.

The Canadian oil is and has been flowing into the U.S. by polluting trains and trucks for years but why should we build the pipeline and reduce emissions!

Good job liberals. You have but a few more weeks of obstruction left in your failed tenure in congress.





It will create about 2,000 jobs for about 2 years and after it is completed estimates are it will have created about 50 permanent jobs so please lets stop making this sound like some grand jobs creation project.

And how about the people who might permanently lose their jobs in the industries that currently transport the oil once the pipeline is up and running? Never considered that eh Mule?

Nice try with your spin thought. keep them coming.

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Your numbers come straight out of the liberal talking points and are factually wrong.

Why the liberals are against Americans getting good jobs is disturbing but typical. Just another reason the democrats were dumped across all sectors of the last election.

Speaking of jobs, where is the democrats job bill?
Don't look too hard, it doesn't exist.

No spin here. the democrats failed yet again to do the peoples work.



These number come from a State Department report. Of course it must not be true as it did not come from Fox News right?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/state-to-release-keystones-f inal-environmental-impact-statement-friday/2014/01/31/3a9bb25c-8a83-11e3-a5 bd-844629433ba3_story.html

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 01:36 PM
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A very sad and tragic incident, but most every worthwhile endeavor carries some risk.


How close is your favorite fishing hole to the proposed Keystone route?

"Carries some risk." Some? How long do you think it will take to recover from the environmental damage caused by a spill?

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 01:37 PM
Amazing. Conservatives attack unemployment and job growth numbers saying that they are temp jobs or low paying jobs. Then this pipeline that does nothing to provide oil for this country is hailed as this big job creator even though they are short term (temp) jobs.
 

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Too bad more people don't know about the Mayflower, Arkansas pipeline spill. It is almost like Exxon has super powers in the way they kept this disaster out of the news.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115624/exxon-oil-spill-arkansas-2013-how -pipeline-burst-mayflower


A very sad and tragic incident, but most every worthwhile endeavor carries some risk.


Maybe, but the risk to our environment from a pipeline that carries oil we don't produce to other countries than us doesn't seem like an idea that has much merit in this country.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 06:18 PM
Here is some insight to the environmental damage being experienced in Alberta, Canada.

Why are we risking our environment for oil that won't even stay in the United States?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/17/1345431/-There-s-Been-HOW-Many-Pip eline-Spills-in-Alberta-in-The-Last-Four-Months?detail=email#


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Alberta, Canada is basically a petro state. Oil and gas production rule everything and it's happening everywhere in the north of the province. Pipelines criss cross most of Alberta. As a result, leaks of wells, facilities and pipelines are a constant thing all over the province.

But we Canadians almost never hear about them. Our main media, CBC, does not provide any coverage of the many, many spills and gas releases that happen every month, nor the efforts to clean up the messes. They're simply not considered news...at least not on the scale of disasters like some attention grabber showing up at the War Memorial on Remembrance day in uniform and bedecked with medals..none of which (uniform included) belonged to him. The guy is under arrest for impersonating an officer.

But back to the non news. It seems someone is taking notice. West Coast Native News (WCNN) has been quietly keeping tabs on all the spills and leaks. What they have found is shocking!!

More past the toxic orange spill...careful you don't get any on your shoes!!

The WCNN is reporting on all the spills and natural gas releases and have kindly provided the incidence reports to back up their claims

Over the past year WCNN has reported on many Crude oil and Toxic produced water spills all over Alberta, in fact we have reported over 600,000 Litres of toxic crap that has been spilled just last month and yet not one mainstream media outlet has picked up the incidents. So lets take a look back at just the last month (October) and see just what the mainstream is not telling you.
Oct 3, 2014 – Canadian Natural Resources Limited – 11Km East of Delia – 10,000 litres of Crude oil
Oct 5, 2014 – Nexen Energy ULC – 2.5Km SouthWest of Kinosis – 5,800 litres of Toxic water
Oct 5, 2014 – Cenovus Energy Inc – 56Km East of Brooks – 9,800 litres of Toxic water
Oct 5, 2014 – Nexen Energy ULC – 41Km SouthEast of Ft. McMurray – 13,000 litres of Condensate
Oct 10, 2014 – Husky Oil – 30Km SouthEast of Vermilion – 50,000 litres of Crude oil and 25,000 litres of toxic water
Oct 13, 2014 – Arc Resources – 5Km North of Redwater – 150,000 litres of Toxic water
Oct 11, 2014 – TAQA North Ltd – 44Km SouthWest of Spirit River – 24,000 litres of Crude oil
Oct 14, 2014 – Whitecap Resources Inc – 37Km NorthWest of Sexsmith – 10,000 litres of Toxic water
Oct 15, 2014 – Penn West Petroleum Ltd -14Km SouthEast of Slave Lake – 52,000 litres Crude oil
Oct 14, 2014 – Zargon Oil & Gas Ltd – 26Km NorthWest of Vauxhall – 8,000 litres of Toxic water
Oct 17, 2014 – TAQA North Ltd – 32Km NorthWest of Rocky Mountain House – 18,000 litres of Toxic water
Oct 21, 2014 – Harvest Operations Corp – 20Km East of Galahad – 200,000 litres of Toxic water
Oct 26, 2014 – Apache Canada Ltd -9Km East of Zama City – 50,000 litres of Toxic water
Total = Over 625,000 Litres of toxic crap spilled in Alberta for just the month of October and not one Mainstream media reports about it.
https://sheet.zoho.com/...
Curious, I went back to July, August and September of this year, and found that October's incidents weren't unusual at all!! In July, 27 incidents were reported --16 of which involved pipelines spilling either crude oil or gas production. August saw 39 spills or releases happen, 28 of which involved pipelines. September--26, of which 22 were pipeline spills or releases. October-- 41 total incidents ( 24 pipeline incidents).

The grand total for four months....133 incidents of which 90 involved pipeline spills....68%!!!!

What is produced water that is mentioned in the incident reports? OilfieldWiki states that it is either water mixed with the oil as it comes up from the ground and from two sources: with the oil, or separate from it...OR..it's injected fluid.

Sources of this water may include flow from above or below the hydrocarbon zone, flow from within the hydrocarbon zone, or flow from injected fluids and additives resulting from production activities. This water is frequently referred to as “connate water” or “formation water” and becomes produced water when the reservoir is produced and these fluids are brought to the surface. Produced water is any water that is present in a reservoir with the hydrocarbon resource and is produced to the surface with the crude oil or natural gas.
I regret to say that due to my non-existent maths skills, I can't calculate the volume of the spills into liters for you all. Perhaps someone else can do the maths for me.
I have provided an interactive map of Alberta here so that anyone interested in seeing exactly where the spills have happened can do so.

I noticed that in the report of an incident document, every single report mentions that no effects to wildlife or waterways occurred... WHAT?? How can spilling even a small amount of oil not affect the soil and water, and in turn affect the wildlife. Even the removal of the contaminated soil will have an effect. This is the kind of glossing over important facts that happen when there is only self-reporting done. No-one follows up or studies the results. And no-one calls them on their shoddy reporting.

It shouldn't need to be said, but those who think that putting a pipeline that carries oil, dilbit, or natural gas over any agricultural, environmentally sensitive or heavily populated areas should have their little heads examined. Pipelines are neither safe nor infallible. I see the US House of Representatives have passed a bill to allow the Keystone XL to be built and used...folly...sheer idiocy!

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 08:24 PM
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Too bad more people don't know about the Mayflower, Arkansas pipeline spill. It is almost like Exxon has super powers in the way they kept this disaster out of the news.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115624/exxon-oil-spill-arkansas-2013-how -pipeline-burst-mayflower


A very sad and tragic incident, but most every worthwhile endeavor carries some risk.


Maybe, but the risk to our environment from a pipeline that carries oil we don't produce to other countries than us doesn't seem like an idea that has much merit in this country.

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The so-called environmental damage is hyped by the usual “we are all gonna die” extremists.
Same things were said about the Alaska pipeline which turned out to be a load of crap.
The Canadian oil is already coming to The U.S. by truck and train. By using a pipeline the emissions would be greatly cut.

Industry experts say the pipeline construction will provide 5k to 6k jobs in the first year and 10k to 12k jobs in the ensuing years 2, 3 and 4.
Permanent pipeline jobs would be about 3,000 and the other businesses would provide thousands of jobs and tax revenue for the states.

The exported oil itself would bring in billions. For the liberals that is called income.

Of course we are still looking for the liberal’s jobs plan.
We are still waiting for any plan from the liberals to reduce our massive national debt.



 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 08:47 PM
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/feb/10/van-jones/cnns- van-jones-says-keystone-pipeline-only-creates/


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he report says the project would provide jobs for about 35 permanent employees and 15 temporary contractors.

The full-timers would be "required for annual operations, including routine inspections, maintenance and repair." Some would work in Canada. The U.S. employees would work at pump stations along the pipeline route as well as a Nebraska office.

The project’s impact on housing, property taxes and service industries once in operation? Not much. Not much is known about the contractors’ workload except they would provide additional specialized support.

Still, arguments about the relatively small number of permanent jobs from the pipeline often belie the nature of construction jobs, which are comprised of temporary projects by definition, said Matt Dempsey, a spokesman for a coalition of pro-Keystone groups known as Oil Sands Fact Check.

"You build it, you move on," Dempsey said.

Our ruling

Jones said the Keystone pipeline will only result in 35 permanent jobs after construction.

The numbers, as reported by the State Department, back him up, though that’s the nature of any big construction project, be it a highway or monument.

Jones’ claim is True.

 

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The liberals love to quote left-wing media and internet site so here ya go:

Poll: Majority of Americans Want Keystone Pipeline Built

by Kristin Tate 18 Nov 2014

HOUSTON, Texas -- A new USA Today poll finds that Americans overwhelmingly approve of the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline.

More specifically, 60 percent of those surveyed believe that both Congress and Obama should approve of the construction. The Keystone pipeline would carry oil from Canada, through the Midwest, and ultimately to Texas-based refineries.

Interestingly, the majority of those surveyed by USA Today were not self-identifying conservatives.

"But on an interesting combination of other issues, the poll finds sweeping consensus in an electorate that isn't firmly tied to the views of either party," USA Today reported. "Those surveyed side by more than 2-1 with Obama on a just-announced climate agreement with China, for instance, and with Republicans on approval of the Keystone XL pipeline."
Last week Breitbart Texas reporter Sarah Rumpf reported that a bipartisan effort has been spurred the enact legislation to approve the pipeline. A bill could be sent to President Obama's desk as early as next week.

Action on the Keystone pipeline has been put off by the Obama Administration for about six years. Senate President Harry Reid has not even allowed debate on Keystone-related bills passed by the House.

In her article, Rumpf pointed out that the nation's one undecided Senate seat, in Louisiana, has had an impact on the recent push to approve the pipeline. While most Senate Democrats will not approve the pipeline, Mary Landrieu -- a Louisiana Democratic Senator up for re-election -- sides with the Republicans on this issue. She said last week, "It is time for America to become energy independent and that is impossible without the Keystone pipeline and other pipelines like it."


 

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Too bad more people don't know about the Mayflower, Arkansas pipeline spill. It is almost like Exxon has super powers in the way they kept this disaster out of the news.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115624/exxon-oil-spill-arkansas-2013-how -pipeline-burst-mayflower


A very sad and tragic incident, but most every worthwhile endeavor carries some risk.


Maybe, but the risk to our environment from a pipeline that carries oil we don't produce to other countries than us doesn't seem like an idea that has much merit in this country.

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The so-called environmental damage is hyped by the usual “we are all gonna die” extremists.
Same things were said about the Alaska pipeline which turned out to be a load of crap.
The Canadian oil is already coming to The U.S. by truck and train. By using a pipeline the emissions would be greatly cut.

Industry experts say the pipeline construction will provide 5k to 6k jobs in the first year and 10k to 12k jobs in the ensuing years 2, 3 and 4.
Permanent pipeline jobs would be about 3,000 and the other businesses would provide thousands of jobs and tax revenue for the states.

The exported oil itself would bring in billions. For the liberals that is called income.

Of course we are still looking for the liberal’s jobs plan.
We are still waiting for any plan from the liberals to reduce our massive national debt.





Those employment numbers were pulled out of your butt. And oil produced in Canada and shipped to other countries does not equal big income in this country. But keep making things up. You are entertaining,

This is 3 years old, but still valid

http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/oil-leak-is-latest-mishap-for-troubled- alaska-pipeline-system


Keep those low info posts coming, muleboy.

[Edited on 11/20/2014 by jkeller]

 

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  posted on 11/19/2014 at 09:39 PM
The debate over Keystone took a weird turn somewhere along the line. Should a project be scrapped because it doesn't create enough jobs? Is that the new measuring stick?

On that score, whether it creates 2,000 or 20,000 construction jobs -- I'll take it. NO jobs is better? Also, the 35 permanent job claim is BS. Every pumping station along the line will require a full-time staff of 15-20 just by themselves.

And if you feel that pipelines are too hazardous, let's try transporting this Oil exclusively above ground. Use only rail tank cars and move it on the interstate in tankers. In two days folks will be howling to get the pipelines opened back up.

This is the type of project that Americans once were dying to tackle. That spirit helped make us what we are, the envy of the whole world. Now we give it the thumbs down because it won't create enough jobs, or might be too dangerous? Something's wrong.

 

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The debate over Keystone took a weird turn somewhere along the line. Should a project be scrapped because it doesn't create enough jobs? Is that the new measuring stick?

On that score, whether it creates 2,000 or 20,000 construction jobs -- I'll take it. NO jobs is better? Also, the 35 permanent job claim is BS. Every pumping station along the line will require a full-time staff of 15-20 just by themselves.

And if you feel that pipelines are too hazardous, let's try transporting this Oil exclusively above ground. Use only rail tank cars and move it on the interstate in tankers. In two days folks will be howling to get the pipelines opened back up.

This is the type of project that Americans once were dying to tackle. That spirit helped make us what we are, the envy of the whole world. Now we give it the thumbs down because it won't create enough jobs, or might be too dangerous? Something's wrong.


Every link I can find says 35 permanent jobs in the US. I don't know where you got your info from.

As to the temp jobs, aren't you one of the people here who says the job numbers are skewed because of temp and part time jobs? Now you are for temp jobs?

And how does this country benefit from oil produced in Canada and shipped to other countries? The only thing we get is a chance at environmental disasters. Nice trade off, eh?

 

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The debate over Keystone took a weird turn somewhere along the line. Should a project be scrapped because it doesn't create enough jobs? Is that the new measuring stick?

On that score, whether it creates 2,000 or 20,000 construction jobs -- I'll take it. NO jobs is better? Also, the 35 permanent job claim is BS. Every pumping station along the line will require a full-time staff of 15-20 just by themselves.

And if you feel that pipelines are too hazardous, let's try transporting this Oil exclusively above ground. Use only rail tank cars and move it on the interstate in tankers. In two days folks will be howling to get the pipelines opened back up.

This is the type of project that Americans once were dying to tackle. That spirit helped make us what we are, the envy of the whole world. Now we give it the thumbs down because it won't create enough jobs, or might be too dangerous? Something's wrong.


Every link I can find says 35 permanent jobs in the US. I don't know where you got your info from.

As to the temp jobs, aren't you one of the people here who says the job numbers are skewed because of temp and part time jobs? Now you are for temp jobs?

And how does this country benefit from oil produced in Canada and shipped to other countries? The only thing we get is a chance at environmental disasters. Nice trade off, eh?


1. I get my information from years working in the Oil and Gas industry.

2. Construction projects are all temporary. That doesn't mean I don't want the jobs that come along with them.

3. When the pipeline is completed, go down to Baytown TX and check it out. Shipping crude and or/other refined products around the world can be quite profitable.

 
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