Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2    3    4  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Obama Address on Immigration Reform

Zen Peach





Posts: 19844
(20310 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 09:23 PM
President Obama spoke to the American people to explain the Executive Order that he has signed to provide Immigration Reform. You didn't see it on the major networks, which I think is totally wrong. Whatever side a network is on an issue, they should do their reporting responsibility and carry any Presidential addresses. You know hostile media doesn't stop us from reporting. Applause to CNN for not going along with the other naysayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbnTB7hfsI

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/224930-obama-to-protect-5-millio n-illegal-immigrants

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-immigration-speech/index.html? hpt=hp_t1

FULL TEXT OS HIS SPEECH

http://us.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-immigration-speech-transcript/? cid=ob_articlesidebarall&iref=obnetwork

The main point is that 5 million Americans will be eligible to stop being in the shadows as the President called it, if they come forward, register, they will be able to begin the process towards getting visas to be here, until they can apply for citizenship. If they have been here 5 years or longer they are eligible.

He highlighted families whose children are born here, and the children have citizenship, but other family members do not.

He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnesty, amnesty is more like what we have going on right now, we don't have the manpower, money to find them and deport them, so they just get a free pass with no one knowing what to do for them.

His program will bring them into accountability, they will pay taxes and be on the path to responsible citizenship.

Remarks: I think it is good that he did something when Congress just wants to flex their muscle and stonewall him. Congress has threatened to sue the President for taking action. This is beyond the pale.

"Still, some GOP lawmakers have suggested they ought to hold up presidential nominees unless Obama reverses course, or attach riders to must-pass legislation prohibiting the implementation of Obama’s new programs. "

“If President Obama acts in defiance of the people and imposes his will on the country, Congress will act,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Thursday. “We’re considering a variety of options. But make no mistake. When the newly elected representatives of the people take their seats, they will act.”

Further remarks: If Congress wants to keep playing games with people's lives, safety, security, then we can start using the good old state referendum process to deal with that. Maybe it is time the people actually have something to say about what goes on in Washington, when some of our representatives couldn't even show up on the evening before the Presidential address because they wanted to rock with Billy Joel.











[Edited on 11/21/2014 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
Replies:

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5032
(5027 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 10:14 PM
I don't understand why there would be any controversy. The only ones who believe he is breaking the law are his Republican foes. All the research I've seen says he is acting within the laws of the Constitution. Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed? If they fail to do their job, why wouldn't he use executive action, especially if the Constitution permits him to do it?

Furthermore, the reform seems to play both sides of the aisle: one one hand he provides an easier path to citizenship for certain law-abiding, family-oriented illegals if they fit the criteria, while at the same time earning federal tax revenue from their back taxes. One the other hand, the dangerous illegals that don't contribute will be targeted and deported. And he's creating tougher border security and tougher deportation laws going forward for anyone who tries to enter, no matter what the criteria.

Seems fair and balanced to me.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 10:21 PM
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20269
(20329 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 10:31 PM
quote:
He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnesty



That is exactly what it is.

 

____________________

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 10:46 PM
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 10:59 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:01 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


You are the only one saying that.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:03 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


You are the only one saying that.



That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:11 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


You are the only one saying that.'



That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.


No, you missed the point once more. I can see once again you have nothing to add so you act like stroll. Let me know if you wish to discuss this or if you just want to continue with your simple linear thinking.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:16 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


No, they had 6 years to produce a bill and they didn't. The American people wanted something to be done, Congress sat on their butts and Obama took action. Now maybe Congress will wake up and craft a bill. Maybe.


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


You are the only one saying that.'



That seems to be the implication. I'm not the only person saying it.


No, you missed the point once more. I can see once again you have nothing to add so you act like stroll. Let me know if you wish to discuss this or if you just want to continue with your simple linear thinking.


You said it yourself. Congress wouldn't get off their butts so Obama took it into his own hands.
If this so urgent why did he wait six years? He would have done it a lot sooner if he could have found a way to blame Republicans for it. Now he doesn't care. Nothing left to lose.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:20 PM
Getting back to talking to the adults on here, I think that the GOP controlled Congress will now try to create a bill that would appeal to Obama and the Dems. I believe that was the point of today's address, to get Congress moving.
 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5032
(5027 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:44 PM
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4277
(4275 all sites)
Registered: 8/26/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:45 PM
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Not at all. They need to either pass a bill Obama will sign or one that is popular enough that they can override his veto. There is always a choice.

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5032
(5027 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/20/2014 at 11:49 PM
In all seriousness, why would the Republicans challenge the legality of this reform, when it's clearly within his right. Doesn't it make them seem uninformed of the law? And obviously a lawsuit isn't going to happen, so why waste their own time with that angle?

How about the Republicans analyze the content of the reform instead? What parts of it do they support and why? What parts do they oppose and why? For the parts that they oppose, what would they propose instead?

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 20269
(20329 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:03 AM
I didn't listen to his speech, but I'll wager very little was directed at hiring more Border Patrol agents, or punishing those who hire people here Illegally.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:03 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:08 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?



Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:14 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?



Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha.


Obama got him, not me.

Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4397
(4408 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:20 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?



Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha.


Obama got him, not me.

Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.

A valid scenario with only one hitch. A Republican has to get elected president first.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 16027
(16019 all sites)
Registered: 10/13/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:24 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?



Ooooooooooooh. Hey BB, he gotcha.


Obama got him, not me.

Of course, the Republican will give the opposition a chance to agree with him before going ahead with whatever he wants, then call that negotiation and trying to compromise.

A valid scenario with only one hitch. A Republican has to get elected president first.


I was waiting for that one.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 69251
(69612 all sites)
Registered: 11/28/2001
Status: Online

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 12:44 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?




Isn't it already?

 

____________________

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 12503
(12493 all sites)
Registered: 4/4/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 08:18 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/reagan-and-bush-made-immigration-executive-o rders-2014-11

 

____________________
I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities. http://www.r-word.org/

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5032
(5027 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 08:34 AM
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?


So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?


Yes. Or else he will use his executive powers that are within his Constitutional right.


Fine. When a Republican gets "frustrated with Congress" and passes his own law that brings the corporate income tax rate to zero, you'll be OK with that?


I'm ok with the legality of it and I would blame Congress for their failure to do their job. Why can't Congress act like adults and compromise? It's silly at this point that they can't get anything done and I blame both sides. The game of politics that our country plays on a daily basis to support their interests instead of what's good for the country is the single worst attribute of the US. I'd rather a President make a decision I don't like than have nothing done at all, because maybe, just maybe, that President knows something I don't and might end up being a good decision, whatever it may be.



 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 12503
(12493 all sites)
Registered: 4/4/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 08:57 AM
quote:
quote:
Didn't Congress have ample time to pass a bill and they failed?



So basically the Congress has to pass any bill a President wants, or else?

Yes, that is the example set by previous presidents, including Saint Ron.

Congress can also pass bills that the president doesn't want, including changing any lawful action he may take as chief executive by passing bills that "correct" him, and can even override his vetoes. And the 3rd branch of our gov't can also step in and hold the other two accountable if/when they overstep their legal authority. It's called checks and balances.

 

____________________
I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities. http://www.r-word.org/

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5032
(5027 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/21/2014 at 09:13 AM
quote:
quote:
He also pointed out the new legislation is NOT amnesty



That is exactly what it is.


It's amnesty for only 3 years, and consider the implications of that. What happens after the 3 years? Our government will then have a list of illegals, know where to find them, and decide who stays and who gets deported. Some Hispanics believe this puts them at a greater risk, and they are better off staying in the shadows. Furthermore, if a Republican President wins in 2 years, he/she can scratch the whole thing, so then all of the brave ones who did come forward would have done it for nothing.

His reform isn't exactly friendly towards illegals by any stretch, and some Hispanics strongly oppose his policies on immigration for years now.



[Edited on 11/21/2014 by BoytonBrother]

 
<<  1    2    3    4  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com