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  posted on 12/5/2014 at 04:34 PM
http://us.cnn.com/2014/12/05/us/rolling-stone-uva-apology/index.html?hpt=hp _t1

Maybe this will finally spell doom for that rag. Then again, people still buy the National Enquirer.

 

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  posted on 12/5/2014 at 05:04 PM
The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.
 

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  posted on 12/5/2014 at 05:21 PM
I have no doubt that rape and sexual assault is a problem on campuses nationwide. But when I read the Rolling Stone article the first thing I noticed was lack of identifying ANYBODY by name. There was a lot of , "let's call this person, "Phil"" type stuff. Not an expose' by journalistic standards (if those still exist).

They got their feet called to the fire because the frat' that they named didn't have a party on the night of the allegations, didn't have a staircase as described by the "plaintiff" and a host of other discrepancies. This doesn't mean that an attack did not happen, but Rolling Stone didn't serve themselves or any offended party any justice by pseudo-fictionalizing a chain of events and characters. It could very well be a case where they just didn't corroborate information very well.

I'm no fan of late of Rolling Stone, but they have provided some great journalism in recent years. Their coverage of the waterworks/sewer project scandal in Birmingham, AL was the most comprehensive story pertaining to the event that I ever read.

 

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The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.


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  posted on 12/5/2014 at 11:45 PM
actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.

 

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actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.


Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 01:49 AM
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actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.


Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.
people make mistakes, are you not human?

 

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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 07:38 AM
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actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.


Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.
people make mistakes, are you not human?



Well maybe if RS had misspelled a word or two in the article, that would be a mistake. By not verifying details of what is a very serious and emotional subject, that's incompetence and irresponsibility. Vetting and corroborating someone's account of an event is journalism 101. RS flunked and I hope that fraternity sues the hell of it.

[Edited on 12/14/2014 by StratDal]

 

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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 12:59 PM
AEKDB . Exactly. These sons of Babylon will never change, and you support them.Their letter did not acknowledge even the remotest possibility of dishonorable behavior by their frat, when their anthem spells out their predilections quite clearly. Rolling Stone is a yellow rag so you can safely bet that they barely scratched the surface of this issue. What is actually occurring is likely far worse. So they win a suit against RS, but they won't be able to hide their dirt forever. All Evil Killer Despots Bond. AEKDB
 

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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 07:04 PM
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AEKDB . Exactly. These sons of Babylon will never change, and you support them.Their letter did not acknowledge even the remotest possibility of dishonorable behavior by their frat, when their anthem spells out their predilections quite clearly. Rolling Stone is a yellow rag so you can safely bet that they barely scratched the surface of this issue. What is actually occurring is likely far worse. So they win a suit against RS, but they won't be able to hide their dirt forever. All Evil Killer Despots Bond. AEKDB


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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 08:54 PM
let's face it . An expose of an Illuminati devil worship sex cult is bound to create some backlash
 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 12:37 PM
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actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.


Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.
people make mistakes, are you not human?



Are you serious? A major magazine prints an entirely fabricated story that accuses unnamed but discernbile individuals of a major felony and you say "Well people make mistakes." Is that the standards we are reduced to? I fear for the future.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 12:54 PM
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The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.


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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 01:10 PM
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actually it has nothing to do with rolling stone, the biatch lied.


Oh please… if Rolling Stone had acted responsibly (more like basic common sense), this story would have never gone to press.
people make mistakes, are you not human?



Are you serious? A major magazine prints an entirely fabricated story that accuses unnamed but discernbile individuals of a major felony and you say "Well people make mistakes." Is that the standards we are reduced to? I fear for the future.


Let's be realistic, Rolling Stone did not purposely publish the story knowing is was inaccurate. Not verifying the sources was their only crime so lets not be too high drama on this.

What they did was inexcusable, so I am not defending their practices, but let's be honest Doug if this had been a conservative news source you would not be as outraged and we would not have heard a peep out of you on the issue.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 03:15 PM
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The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.


This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 03:35 PM

Your frat probably wouldn't get away with this crap then.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 05:11 PM
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The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.


This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.


Or the bitter rant of someone who never got accepted into a fraternity.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2014 at 07:10 AM
Its a political Rag that has lost its way and most of its original readers.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2014 at 11:35 AM
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The rich white boys are just trying to get the spotlight off their foul tradition. As ever, they will use their money and connections to weasel out of this. Behavior learned in their frats and continued all they way up to CEO. The article only referred to events in general, there was nothing concrete, but it is clear that these frat bas*tards have been up to no good for too long, and deserve this attention. It is too bad that the RS source was weak, but the overall picture the article painted was sound, and timely. Congrats to RS for stepping out on a limb and covering this issue. Too bad the branch broke, but the news is out anyway, and hopefully will put these d*cks on notice.


This looks a lot like profiling. A blanket indictment of fraternal organizations in general -- comprised of rich, silver-spooners that can get away with anything they want. Mine sure wasn't like that.


Or the bitter rant of someone who never got accepted into a fraternity.


I graduated Duke in 1977. The fraternities lived by different rules; and it was all because (as the Rolling Stone article stated) fraternity alumni contribute a lot more on average to the schools. Because of legal worries the frats there no longer reside on campus. There was a lot of truth in the tone of the article. This is happening all over the place.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2014 at 08:39 PM
When I attended UCLA, the greeks ran the campus and deservedly so. We were the ones that bused out to the football games. We showed up at basketball games and participated in student government. The greeks had the best parties. Lots of jealous students but so what. We weren't saints but we weren't sinners either. Plenty of non Greeks were involved in student life and plenty caused their share of problems too.

More greeks alums donate and are involved at UCLA than other groups. It's not because we lived by other rules. It's because we appreciate what UCLA provided for us and we want to give back. GO BRUINS!







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  posted on 12/12/2014 at 02:25 PM
Strat

I usually don't stand opposed to your views; but read your response - it reeks of entitlement. There are other aspects of campus life at every school other than the ones you mentioned. Going to the games doesn't entitle one to have run of the campus any more than if one supported the theater program. Plenty of people didn't go Greek cause they wanted a different lifestyle - everything is not attributed to jealousy.

I stand by more original statement; that this is all about fund raising. There is no doubt that Greek Alumni contribute more - and the schools are generous to them in return (allowing them the run of the campus.)

 

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  posted on 12/12/2014 at 07:56 PM
"… reeks of entitlement." It's more of participation and making the most of one's opportunities. Most of the students I knew in the Greek system never felt entitled to anything. And on a personal level, you can ask anyone who knows me that I don't have any sense of entitlement whatsoever.

If students didn't like the Greek system for whatever their reasons, I didn't care. It's their business. I enjoyed being in a fraternity and it enriched my college experience. I made some good friends that I still hold dear to this day. If being a Greek wasn't your gig, okay. If you think it's all about fundraising and money, knock yourself out.

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  posted on 12/13/2014 at 10:23 AM
I don't think the Greek System is all about fundraising. One of my kids is actively involved; everyone picks their comfort level. I do think for the Colleges their actions are all about income; be it lightening up on discipline for Frats and kissing the rears of parents on "parents weekend" a bizarre invention of the last 20 years as when we went to school our parents weren't part of the experience. I don't know you personally - but the only comment I had issue with was "We ran the campus and deservedly so." If I read it wrong so be it.

ps if you got to see Walton play college ball - not seeing that myself - now that would be a source of jealousy

 

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  posted on 12/13/2014 at 01:15 PM
I see your point. Again, my comment was about participation in overall campus life and at the time, the Greeks did most of it. Sounds like I should have said it differently.

This isn't directed at your emr but I'm tired of all the hate on fraternities and sororities these days. Sure, they have their share of malcontents but that holds true for all college student bodies. In addition to their campus obligations, Greeks contribute time and resources to a many charitable and community organizations.

As for seeing Bill Walton, he was before my time. When I was at UCLA, the basketball program was nothing but drama (talk about entitled…). Other than one game I purchased a ticket to, the only ones I attended were to clean up afterwards (my rowing coach at the time thought it was good way to raise money for the rowing program but that's another story ). If I had my choice, I'd trade all the basketball championships for another football championship.

 

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