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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 08:46 AM
Only an hour and a half? WTF?

Possible setlists:

Mule
Sco-Mule
Thorazine Shuffle
Trane
E:
Soulshine

Also, Opening for Primus? No disrespect to Primus just Mule has to be every bit the headliner Primus is.

Not sure I can justify coughing up twice the cash for half the show. Bummer.

 
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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 10:55 AM
kind of an odd booking with the rest of the bands they got. I may be peeking over the fence depending on how bad the weather is. patrick
 
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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 04:55 PM
That is always the set length for Gov't Mule at festivals with the exception of the first 7 Mountain Jams or so. Gov't Mule would headline those shows with their normal two sets and almost 3 hours. Man do I miss the old Mountain Jams!!!

 

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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 04:57 PM
As far as songs I would put my money on them breaking out 'Don't Step On The Grass Sam' for this particular show!!!

 

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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 05:04 PM
An hour and a half for the Mule is just too short. Period.

I was surprised to see the limit at Wanee especially with the Zappa conflict. I figured ZPZ would be playing Whipping Post when Gov't Mule was scheduled to start, and sure enough, they were.

That was really poor scheduling in my opinion.

"Don't Step on the Grass" is a good bet for the 4/20 show.

 

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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 06:11 PM
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That is always the set length for Gov't Mule at festivals with the exception of the first 7 Mountain Jams or so. Gov't Mule would headline those shows with their normal two sets and almost 3 hours. Man do I miss the old Mountain Jams!!!


Me too, Sixty....Mt. Jam was a great festival in it's day. Now it's too big, too expensive, too overly "policed" with the security state out in full force and getting worse by the year. Last year really rubbed me wrong with the crazy security presence and fees for everything under the sun.

In my opinion it lost the charm it once had right around the year they added Thursday night. It was at that point that they had to really nickel and dime every conceivable revenue stream possible in order to cover their costs. I'm not going this year for these very reasons. Only the second one I've missed since it started and probably won't ever go again.

 

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  posted on 4/18/2015 at 06:51 PM
Did LiveNation buy the Mountain Jam Festival? I think they bought Wanee. I think that selling festivals is a big money maker these days. Once the corporations get them I think the magic disappears.

 

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Did LiveNation buy the Mountain Jam Festival? I think they bought Wanee. I think that selling festivals is a big money maker these days. Once the corporations get them I think the magic disappears.




I'm not sure the legalities, but the original owners/promoters either hired or sold out to a new entity that now runs the festival. Every year the Hunter Mt. people do a little speech/thank you address type thing on Sunday evening and last year they specifically mentioned that they made some new arrangement that year as they "needed to step up the festival to the next level" and to do so was beyond their capabilities and thus required hiring or selling to true "professionals" as they suggested.

I'm sure it meant significant money in their pockets so good for them. However, I think it destroyed what was a great festival and created a corporate, squeeze every bit of revenue possible out of the concert attendee type business model. I understand the economics of all this, but again, it just isn't the same festival.

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 10:13 AM
They announced the schedule weeks ago, not sure why you are so surprised. Besides Mountain Jam or Wanee or other "family" festivals, Mule does not rate more than 90 minutes as a festival act. Most acts don't. In fact, there was no band at 420 fest who played a longer set than Mule.

Here is the setlist....

World Boss>
Brand New Angel
Steppin' Lightly
Broke Down On The Brazos>Tributary Jam
Captured
Rocking Horse>
Banks Of The Deep End
Trane (w/ Third Stone From The Sun and Norwegian Wood jams)>
St. Stephen>
Mule>
Wabash>
Mule>
Thorazine Shuffle>
Funny Little Tragedy (w/ Message In A Bottle lyrics)>
Thorazine Reprise

All in all, I thought it was a good show. Warren and company were in fine form. I especially liked the second half of the set from Trane on. Some really good jams that built up momentum as the set went on. Third Stone From The Sun is one of my favorite melodies of all time, such a treat to hear Warren play it, and Mule and Thorazine are two of my favorite old-school Mule tunes.

Primus isn't for everybody, but any opportunity to see Les Claypool play the bass is a privilege. They were their usual selves--weird, wacky and brimming with insane musicianship. At one point they went off into a bizarre jam that reminded me a great deal of Aquarium Rescue Unit. Hard to find bigger praise from me.

It wasn't actually raining during the Mule and Primus shows, but the stage area was an ungodly mud pit by the time Saturday afternoon rolled around. I may end up throwing away the pair of shoes I was wearing yesterday. It was THAT kind of mud

 
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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 10:50 AM
That is a fantastic set lists.

If I had known that was going to be the set lists I would have gone and coughed up the $50. And a pair of shoes!

 

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 10:57 AM
They were only scheduled for 90 minutes at Wanee as well. I suppose it will be the same at Lockn'. The first year it seemed more complete at Lockn' because the Warren Haynes Band played first, then String Cheese, then Gov't Mule, then String Cheese again.

Here is the setlist from Wanee:

1 Railroad Boy
2 Patchwork Quilt
3 Tell Me Something Good
4 Instrumental Illness
5 Have Mercy On The Criminal
6 Time To Confess
7 Jeep On 35 >
8 The Joker
9 Soulshine >
10 Tupelo Honey >
11 Soulshine
12 Feel Like Breaking Up Somebody's Home with Will It Go Around In Circles & Let Me Have It All lyrics

This is how the 2013 Lockn' festival performance shaped up:

1st SET
WHB Intro

Man In Motion
River's Gonna Rise
Sick Of My Shadow
A Change Is Gonna Come
Spanish Castle Magic
Pretzel Logic
Invisible
Hattiesburg Hustle

WHB Intro
Tear Me Down

Gov't Mule Set

Steppin Lightly
World Boss
Broke Down On The Brazos
Tributary Jam
Captured
Banks Of The Deep End
Scared To Live
Dear Prudence
Gold Dust Woman
Introduction
Whisper In Your Soul
Find The Cost Of Freedom
Southern Man
Thorazine Shuffle
Funny Little Tragedy
Thorazine Shuffle Reprise

ENCORE
Introductions
Soulshine

Grace Potter joined the band for Dear Prudence, Gold Dust Woman, Find the Cost of Freedom and Southern Man.

I'm thinking that set was longer than 90 minutes.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 11:07 AM
After looking at the Wanee setlist, I'm glad I got the setlist we saw in Atlanta.

I was just thinking that the 420 fest set was a pretty good "Greatest Hits" type of festival set, perfect for the casual fan. Compared to many on this website, I'm a pretty "casual" fan of Govt Mule, so it was just what I needed. Not a lot of deep cuts or rarities, but a good dose of my Mule favorites.

 
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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 12:06 PM
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They were only scheduled for 90 minutes at Wanee as well. I suppose it will be the same at Lockn'. The first year it seemed more complete at Lockn' because the Warren Haynes Band played first, then String Cheese, then Gov't Mule, then String Cheese again.

Here is the setlist from Wanee:

1 Railroad Boy
2 Patchwork Quilt
3 Tell Me Something Good
4 Instrumental Illness
5 Have Mercy On The Criminal
6 Time To Confess
7 Jeep On 35 >
8 The Joker
9 Soulshine >
10 Tupelo Honey >
11 Soulshine
12 Feel Like Breaking Up Somebody's Home with Will It Go Around In Circles & Let Me Have It All lyrics

This is how the 2013 Lockn' festival performance shaped up:

1st SET
WHB Intro

Man In Motion
River's Gonna Rise
Sick Of My Shadow
A Change Is Gonna Come
Spanish Castle Magic
Pretzel Logic
Invisible
Hattiesburg Hustle

WHB Intro
Tear Me Down

Gov't Mule Set

Steppin Lightly
World Boss
Broke Down On The Brazos
Tributary Jam
Captured
Banks Of The Deep End
Scared To Live
Dear Prudence
Gold Dust Woman
Introduction
Whisper In Your Soul
Find The Cost Of Freedom
Southern Man
Thorazine Shuffle
Funny Little Tragedy
Thorazine Shuffle Reprise

ENCORE
Introductions
Soulshine

Grace Potter joined the band for Dear Prudence, Gold Dust Woman, Find the Cost of Freedom and Southern Man.

I'm thinking that set was longer than 90 minutes.



I got both these Lockin sets off Mule Tracks and they are well worth it. The Mule set in particular. The Captured is as perfect a guitar solo as you can get it. I think you would be hard pressed to find a better version of Captured anywhere. The World Boss is also a "Worth the money alone" version.


 

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 01:00 PM
thankyou Billy & Chain. That explains a lot! The last few years we've noticed various festivals we've attended morph into something not-so-cool or entertaining eventually. We couldn't figure out why but came to the conclusion that it was best to catch festivals early on or at key points in their development as we've noticed they change into the 'same old,same old' & lose that 'special' feel that makes attending a festival so special. This seemed to apply to Rock,Blues,folk,jazz,jamband or whatever type but fairly consistently change for the worse. You've now explained exactly why that is & it just seals our observations and as to what exactly occurs to cause the lost identity & interest.
 

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That is always the set length for Gov't Mule at festivals with the exception of the first 7 Mountain Jams or so. Gov't Mule would headline those shows with their normal two sets and almost 3 hours. Man do I miss the old Mountain Jams!!!


Me too, Sixty....Mt. Jam was a great festival in it's day. Now it's too big, too expensive, too overly "policed" with the security state out in full force and getting worse by the year. Last year really rubbed me wrong with the crazy security presence and fees for everything under the sun.

In my opinion it lost the charm it once had right around the year they added Thursday night. It was at that point that they had to really nickel and dime every conceivable revenue stream possible in order to cover their costs. I'm not going this year for these very reasons. Only the second one I've missed since it started and probably won't ever go again.


I stopped going after the one where they did the Levon tribute set with Levon's band.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 02:22 PM
So betty... now's a really good time to come to Lockn'. This is the third year. I expect it will grow from the first two but the crowds have, so far, very easily fit the location. This year's line up is pretty cool. A lot of diversity, pre-announced band personnel morphing, and special tributes to Joe Cocker and the Jefferson Airplane.

The variety is dynamic. You've got a lot of the heavies from rock and roll represented. Robert Plant representing Led Zeppelin, Chuck Leavell and Karl Denson representing the Rolling Stones, Jorma & Jack for the Airplane, TTB covering the Beatles during the Joe Cocker tribute, Phil Lesh and Bill Kreutzman with separate bands playing Grateful Dead music, Gov't Mule, TTB, Soulive, Doobie Brothers, String Cheese, Umphreys McGee, Trombone Shorty, St. Paul and the Broken Bones, Slightly Stoopid, the Jayhawks...

Best of all you don't have to miss any of the music or run from stage to stage. The main stages are adjacent. The sound systems are married. You and your friends stake your claim early in the day, set up your folding chairs, sit back, dance, do whatever you want...

4 days of complete musical bombardment.

 

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thankyou Billy & Chain. That explains a lot! The last few years we've noticed various festivals we've attended morph into something not-so-cool or entertaining eventually. We couldn't figure out why but came to the conclusion that it was best to catch festivals early on or at key points in their development as we've noticed they change into the 'same old,same old' & lose that 'special' feel that makes attending a festival so special. This seemed to apply to Rock,Blues,folk,jazz,jamband or whatever type but fairly consistently change for the worse. You've now explained exactly why that is & it just seals our observations and as to what exactly occurs to cause the lost identity & interest.


You're welcome....Keep in mind my observations are just my opinion and Mt. Jam is still a fun, great weekend of music. It's now just very pricey, inconvenient on many levels (parking for one) and over the top with security and frankly this years set list did not grab me. It seems nearly all festivals go through these sort of growing pains once the people who begin them are confronted with their own success. I think that's exactly what happened with Mt. Jam. But don't let me discourage you, go and see for yourself if you've never been. I guarantee you'll have fun.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2015 at 05:35 PM
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  posted on 4/21/2015 at 06:20 PM
I remember when most of the bands played 2 1/2-3 hrs.Pink Floyd & ABB were best.
Lockn sounds great,new festival,great bands...too bad the dates don't line up for us.
Mountain Jam seemed good but not sure if its changed a lot from the early days & the camping seems expensive & parking/camping locations weren't great. Peachfest is a must & there's

 

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  posted on 4/21/2015 at 06:44 PM
Apparently Sweetwater is having to pay for re-sodding the park. That will eat into those festival profits!

By the way, I can't say enough good things about The Wailers set on Sunday. Aston "Family Man" Barrett is a living legend, and the rest of the band was excellent. The double encore of Could You Be Loved? and Exodus was the best 20 minutes of music I heard all weekend.

Bob Marley's music, played with exceptional musicianship and unparalleled integrity by some great musicians, including one of the folks who created that music in the first place. What's not to love? I feel like I need to make them a higher music priority going forward.


 
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  posted on 4/25/2015 at 01:10 PM
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That is always the set length for Gov't Mule at festivals with the exception of the first 7 Mountain Jams or so. Gov't Mule would headline those shows with their normal two sets and almost 3 hours. Man do I miss the old Mountain Jams!!!


I don't get you on this one. Mule still played over 3 hours last year and the whole set is right here with the length to prove it. Also I just listened to my Mule tracks of MJ 2013 yesterday and it as well is well over 3 hours long.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ve1I6h8y00

 

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That is always the set length for Gov't Mule at festivals with the exception of the first 7 Mountain Jams or so. Gov't Mule would headline those shows with their normal two sets and almost 3 hours. Man do I miss the old Mountain Jams!!!


I don't get you on this one. Mule still played over 3 hours last year and the whole set is right here with the length to prove it. Also I just listened to my Mule tracks of MJ 2013 yesterday and it as well is well over 3 hours long.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ve1I6h8y00


I think what he's getting at is that Mountain Jam, for the first 7 or 8 years, featured TWO nights of Gov't Mule headlining. They would headline both Friday and Saturday night and then a big act would headline Sunday night. Often times Warren would sit in with the headliner on Sunday night for a tune or two.

Mountain Jam was really one big Gov't Mule festival in a sense as Warren was actually one of the promoters up until 2-3 years ago and you could count on two nights of Mule with a great Sunday night headliner to top off a great weekend. I know I miss those Mt. Jams....

 

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  posted on 4/26/2015 at 06:42 PM
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Apparently Sweetwater is having to pay for re-sodding the park. That will eat into those festival profits!

By the way, I can't say enough good things about The Wailers set on Sunday. Aston "Family Man" Barrett is a living legend, and the rest of the band was excellent. The double encore of Could You Be Loved? and Exodus was the best 20 minutes of music I heard all weekend.

Bob Marley's music, played with exceptional musicianship and unparalleled integrity by some great musicians, including one of the folks who created that music in the first place. What's not to love? I feel like I need to make them a higher music priority going forward.



They were a highlight for me when the did the Exodus album in it's entirety @ Wanee '09.
The Wailers and the Mushroom stage. Good stuff, mon.

 

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