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  posted on 2/6/2016 at 10:31 AM
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Black Sabbath vs. Metallica: They're both in town this week, Metallica tonight @ AT&T Park in San Francisco (SF Giants' stadium), Sabbath Tuesday at SAP Center in San Jose (San Jose Sharks' arena).

As far as head-to-head competition, that would be no contest for ME! Not a 61 year old former Sabbath freak who saw them in 1971 when I was 16, and five more times, including the 1999 reunion tour. No, not going Tuesday, at 61, I think six times is enough.

At least Jim Harrington of the Mercury News has a bit of sense: He rated Sabbath as winning over Metallica in 6 of 10 categories. And he rated Tony Iommi as Best Metal Guitarist and Ozzy Osbourne as Best Metal Vocalist. You saved me from writing a nasty email, Harrington. Nothing against them, and they are great musicians, but I just never quite got Metallica.




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  posted on 2/6/2016 at 11:21 AM
No Contest, Black Sabbath!!
 

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  posted on 2/6/2016 at 05:13 PM
Iron Maiden - Not playing the area I guess but they are the metal kings after all these years. Never broke up, always release material and tour like absolute animals and have maintained arena level crowds or higher the whole time. Even when grunge took all the other metal bands down.

The others have broke up, drug breakdowns, mental breakdowns and take years off to deal with shrinks.

Maiden's newest release opened #1 all over the globe which for a double album is pretty impressive and even more so that they are metal.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2016 at 09:25 PM
Maiden has been and always will be a very global band. Loved the early stuff with Paul, had a real raw street punk type vibe. Cant beat those first two! IM have almost gotten more of a progressive sound these days. Dont forget Priest!!

 

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  posted on 2/7/2016 at 12:52 AM
To me Black Sabbath inspired the creation of Heavy Metal but I just don't consider the metal. Likely an age thing for me but bands like Metallica can't even begin to be compared to them.

But we have seen Sabbath is some sad states over the years. Low point for me was when it was only Tony left and the arena barely had 1000 people in it.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2016 at 06:27 AM
I think Blue cheer is one of the most importasnt metal bands of all time, they never get enough credit.

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  posted on 2/7/2016 at 09:50 AM
LOVE Metallica....But Sabbath was my intro to hard rock/metal.

Impossible to choose for me

 

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  posted on 2/7/2016 at 01:12 PM
Sabbath for me. I've tried getting into Metallica several times over many years but they just never did anything for me musically. I do like some of their lyrics, though.

 

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Sabbath for me. I've tried getting into Metallica several times over many years but they just never did anything for me musically. I do like some of their lyrics, though.


Sabbath. No question. Isn't Metallica's drummer Lars considered to be one of the biggest d-bags in the music world? Same could be said for Sharon Osbourne I guess.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2016 at 11:48 PM
my two cents.

black Sabbath in the answer. why? they are the most influential.

metallica though is the biggest metal band there has ever been and ever will be.

iron maiden? sorry but metallica is more popular now and always will be. metallica have about 18 releases, iron maiden around 30 and metallica has outsold them globally

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 12:38 AM
I used their ten points and not just sales.

Metallica gains much of those sales from "selling out" anyway. They have been in therapy ever since. Iron Maiden absolutely buries them in touring and the number of headbangers buying a ticket. Which is what metal is all about.

Besides Maiden are awesome guys who gladly share their beer while Metallica are prima donnas. Although I did once witness Lars buy a round of drinks at a bar for everyone. The Maiden guys are so nice and down to earth.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 12:59 AM
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I used their ten points and not just sales.

Metallica gains much of those sales from "selling out" anyway. They have been in therapy ever since. Iron Maiden absolutely buries them in touring and the number of headbangers buying a ticket. Which is what metal is all about.

Besides Maiden are awesome guys who gladly share their beer while Metallica are prima donnas. Although I did once witness Lars buy a round of drinks at a bar for everyone. The Maiden guys are so nice and down to earth.


yes maiden tours a lot. metallica still plays stadiums everywhere though. maiden is not going to sell out a stadium in the usa alone anymore.

besides maiden sold out too. the first 2 albums are punky in vibe. then after bruce came was the classic sound and buy the late 80's the band was using synths trying to get a mainstream hit.

I do respect maiden though and seem to be one of the few people who thought x factor was a brilliant release

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 06:43 AM
I've only seen each band live once. Black Sabbath during the Sabbotage tour and Metallica (Acoustica) at the Bridge School Benefit in '97. Although I'm more into Sabbath's music Metallica did a great set at Bridge School.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/1997/shoreline-amphitheatre-mountai n-view-ca-6bd6dafe.html

They played Bridge School Benefit again 10 years later.

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/metallica/2007/shoreline-amphitheatre-mountai n-view-ca-4bd6dfde.html

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 07:21 AM
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I used their ten points and not just sales.

Metallica gains much of those sales from "selling out" anyway. They have been in therapy ever since. Iron Maiden absolutely buries them in touring and the number of headbangers buying a ticket. Which is what metal is all about.

Besides Maiden are awesome guys who gladly share their beer while Metallica are prima donnas. Although I did once witness Lars buy a round of drinks at a bar for everyone. The Maiden guys are so nice and down to earth.


yes maiden tours a lot. metallica still plays stadiums everywhere though. maiden is not going to sell out a stadium in the usa alone anymore.

besides maiden sold out too. the first 2 albums are punky in vibe. then after bruce came was the classic sound and buy the late 80's the band was using synths trying to get a mainstream hit.

I do respect maiden though and seem to be one of the few people who thought x factor was a brilliant release


Metallica does not play stadiums everywhere and never did. There are definitely markets where they have and still do. Outside of the US some of those markets are always stadium shows for pretty much most who will tour there.

I don't have the figures in front of me , Matt but the audience figures between the two are not even close. If Metallica worked and toured than they would be. I just looked back over Metallica's tours since 2000 and was shocked at how little they have played the US since then. There was also only a couple of stadium shows in the US in all those years. SF and NY and anything else was a festival. When they do tour, the tours are very short. Even arena show attendance is cut back as the stage (very cool) takes up the entire floor which takes up lots of seats.

They are basket cases who barely work. Sad But True.

Maiden sold out after Killers? You are a funny guy, Matt.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 07:57 AM
I've got nothing against Metallica, as they say just not really my cup of tea.

Recall one show. Opened for Guns & Roses. I think they played for 3 hours since Axl was later than usual. That must have been a great show.

One of my nephews who's an amazing guitar player learned most of his early chops listening to Metallica.

Also enjoy early Maiden.

 

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I used their ten points and not just sales.

Metallica gains much of those sales from "selling out" anyway. They have been in therapy ever since. Iron Maiden absolutely buries them in touring and the number of headbangers buying a ticket. Which is what metal is all about.

Besides Maiden are awesome guys who gladly share their beer while Metallica are prima donnas. Although I did once witness Lars buy a round of drinks at a bar for everyone. The Maiden guys are so nice and down to earth.


yes maiden tours a lot. metallica still plays stadiums everywhere though. maiden is not going to sell out a stadium in the usa alone anymore.

besides maiden sold out too. the first 2 albums are punky in vibe. then after bruce came was the classic sound and buy the late 80's the band was using synths trying to get a mainstream hit.

I do respect maiden though and seem to be one of the few people who thought x factor was a brilliant release


Metallica does not play stadiums everywhere and never did. There are definitely markets where they have and still do. Outside of the US some of those markets are always stadium shows for pretty much most who will tour there.

I don't have the figures in front of me , Matt but the audience figures between the two are not even close. If Metallica worked and toured than they would be. I just looked back over Metallica's tours since 2000 and was shocked at how little they have played the US since then. There was also only a couple of stadium shows in the US in all those years. SF and NY and anything else was a festival. When they do tour, the tours are very short. Even arena show attendance is cut back as the stage (very cool) takes up the entire floor which takes up lots of seats.

They are basket cases who barely work. Sad But True.

Maiden sold out after Killers? You are a funny guy, Matt.


maiden never sold out?

these sound similar to you?

stuff from the first 2 albums
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Hyz4pOXtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJDcVj3FTZ4


from the late 80's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJ__T1QGmY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9DBafBhDSc

commercial sounding, synths present, just reeks of trying to have a hit.


 

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Well first off, you skipped over a bunch of albums. Where is the "sell out" song from Number Of The Beast? Second those songs sound just like Maiden. Maybe not your favorite tunes but it is Maiden. They did not try to become a new beast which Metallica did.

Bob Rock trying to teach James how to sing instead of just the monotone yell and songs like Nothing Else Matters are clearly outside of the Metallica norm. Nothing wrong with that at all. But definitely an attempt at mainstream popularity. Again that is fine. It became the cool thing to like Metallica for non-metalheads. I worked tons of their shows after and the crowds included lots of people who didn't know the tunes at all. Just waiting for those hits. The same happened to Aerosmith after Pump where the crowds were divided between long time fans and those waiting for Janie's Got a Gun. Followed by all those soundtrack crap singles that are not "Aerosmith". It divided the band and they have never fully recovered either. Joe Perry hates those songs. Steven loves them. I side with Joe.

Metallica have struggled to regain/keep that popularity since and it has hurt each release since then. Not to mention it lead to all sorts of issues within the band and mentally for the members.

The Metal Madmen turned into pussies. Jason was the only one who kept his balls and was tossed because of it.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 09:06 AM
James was pissed that Jason played with Govt Mule. And yet, he does a song with them and it is OK. Double standard and I admire Jason for telling him to screw himself.

I hope Sabbath is able to get through this tour.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 12:07 PM
Any attempt to minimize what Iron Maiden have accomplished (and continue to accomplish) is effing comical.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 02:21 PM
Sabbath by a landslide. Metal does not exist without Sabbath, period.

I don't care about numbers of albums, sales figures, or even longevity, much less who is nicer. Sabbath is more influential, period.


Maiden vs Metallica is silly. Both are children of Sabbath.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 02:21 PM
Deep Purple wrote the book on metal.
 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 03:38 PM
I just don't see bands like Sabbath or Purple as metal bands. Again it may be an age thing for me.

Those bands definitely gave birth to metal but to me it is hard rock. I think to call them metal is limiting. But if calling them metal then they win hands down. There simply is no debate or fun with this then though. It would be like your existence without your parents ever being born. Impossible.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2016 at 07:15 PM
QUIEN ES MAS METAL?
 

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Well first off, you skipped over a bunch of albums. Where is the "sell out" song from Number Of The Beast? Second those songs sound just like Maiden. Maybe not your favorite tunes but it is Maiden. They did not try to become a new beast which Metallica did.

Bob Rock trying to teach James how to sing instead of just the monotone yell and songs like Nothing Else Matters are clearly outside of the Metallica norm. Nothing wrong with that at all. But definitely an attempt at mainstream popularity. Again that is fine. It became the cool thing to like Metallica for non-metalheads. I worked tons of their shows after and the crowds included lots of people who didn't know the tunes at all. Just waiting for those hits. The same happened to Aerosmith after Pump where the crowds were divided between long time fans and those waiting for Janie's Got a Gun. Followed by all those soundtrack crap singles that are not "Aerosmith". It divided the band and they have never fully recovered either. Joe Perry hates those songs. Steven loves them. I side with Joe.

Metallica have struggled to regain/keep that popularity since and it has hurt each release since then. Not to mention it lead to all sorts of issues within the band and mentally for the members.

The Metal Madmen turned into pussies. Jason was the only one who kept his balls and was tossed because of it.


I didn't skip a bunch of albums as my post clearly says by the late 80's, not as soon as bruce joined. by the end of the 80's maiden was clearly looking for a hit because their popularity was starting to slip in the usa and it lead to the terrible album no prayer for the dying with "bring your daughter to the slaughter" as the climax of trying to get a hit

 

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  posted on 2/9/2016 at 12:31 AM
I was 16 when Kill em all came out. My stoner buddies and I listened to that album all the time. No one got it but us and others like us.

You we're going against the grain of the Stones, Zeppelin, Clapton, Rush and Van Halen crowd listening to speed and death metal from that era (Slayer, Venom, Mercyful Fate).

By the time Metallica got popular (post and Justice for all) I did the end around and got into the dead and ABB, I know makes no sense. I think its because I didn't look good in black and my headbanging skills we're lacking.

I think Metallica was a ground breaking band but not to the level of Black Sabbath or Motorhead. I am not old enough to remember but I am assuming Black Sabbath scared the crap out of people with their early releases.

Motorhead started out in I think 77 with the release of Motorhead.

My vote would go to Motorhead over Metallica as being the leader and ground breaker for every metal band that came after them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNUyjRRjxM

Motorhead's Overkill from 1979!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNUyjRRjxM

Motorhead album from 1977, 1977!!!

 

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