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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 02:23 PM
was anybody as bored as I was. Granted I am a hockey fan but in thinking about NBA

if you combined Golden State and Cleveland teams and let the rest of league pick another team from all the other players to play them. Who would win? I think the 2 team combo wins.

That is pretty pathetic? Thoughts

 
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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 03:00 PM
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That is pretty pathetic?


I guess so.............unless you happen to be a Warriors fan.

BUT: As "dadof2" pointed out in an article he posted in my previous thread about the playoffs, there are some who think that the Warriors dominance is actually good for the NBA. Yeah, of course they have a LOADED team. But look way beyond that: The unselfishness, the emphasis on the joy of the game, the passing, the shooting, the great and aggressive defense which every great offensive player on the Warriors is coached to play. According to that author, the Warriors are not only loaded but are playing the game the right way. I tried to load the article in question here but got a message that it is longer available. You might find it at cbssports.com.



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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 03:09 PM
i dont necessarily think its bad because you do get to see amazing teams but its a little skewed in that i think combining CAVS and GS you can beat a team of the other 30 or so ball clubs. There is something wrong with that picture IMO
 

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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 05:04 PM
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unless you happen to be a Warriors fan.


Fair enough, but that does leave the fans of the other 29 franchises on the outside, looking in. And 100X that if you count the people who find the NBA just flat out boring.

Let me ask this of anyone who cares to answer..."What could happen in an NBA game we've never seen before"?

The NFL is different because there are only 16 games. You have endless possibilities for scoring.
Baseball, even with its 162 game season is the ultimate chess match.

I feel like If I chose to, I could watch the first and last two minutes of any NBA game and feel like I had not missed a thing. Not a thing.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 06:37 PM
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The NFL is different because there are only 16 games. You have endless possibilities for scoring.
Baseball, even with its 162 game season is the ultimate chess match.

I feel like If I chose to, I could watch the first and last two minutes of any NBA game and feel like I had not missed a thing.


This just sounds like you don't enjoy or understand basketball as much as football or baseball. I enjoy all 3 sports, but I can switch off a baseball game and feel the same way. Basketball is just as much of a chess match each possession as a baseball game is for each batting situation. If you like the sport, you'll enjoy watching that. It's like an Allman Brothers' drum solo - I loved them when they're hot, but for others it was a bathroon/beer break.

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"What could happen in an NBA game we've never seen before"?


Until I see a walk off RBI or a punt intercepted for a Field Goal, I'd say the same thing about those sports. There's nothing new, but watching it unfold is a lot of fun.

I'll admit, basketball (college too) has a problem with timeouts in the final minute, but so long as that extends broadcasts and commercials, it's not going anywhere.

 

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  posted on 6/16/2017 at 06:45 PM
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This just sounds like you don't enjoy or understand basketball as much as football or baseball.


Being just a tad over 6' 3". I played BBall all through H.S. and 2 years of summer leagues at the JC /University level. I've coached all ages and understand the game all to well. Just bored with the Pro game is all.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 06:25 AM
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I feel like If I chose to, I could watch the first and last two minutes of any NBA game and feel like I had not missed a thing. Not a thing.


And miss Steph Curry criss-crossing in front of a driving LeBron James, cleaning stripping him of the ball while never touching his body? Or LeBron flipping the ball off the backboard to himself from 15 feet out, so he can soar over everyone for a tremendous slam? How about 7 foot Kevin Durant getting the rebound at one end then flying past everyone else, leading a one man fast break once thought impossible for a 7 footer, then dunking at the other end?

Anyone who makes a statement like you just did, that you could watch only the first and last two minutes of a game and not miss ANYTHING, certainly does not appreciate the beauty of NBA basketball.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 09:02 AM
There are pros and cons to all sports. Soccer - not enough scoring. NBA - too much scoring. Baseball - you can watch the grass grow between pitches. NHL - some can't see the puck.

There is definite truth to BigV's statement of the last two minutes and that is why it has been said since the beginning of time. Most NBA games have the same basic point spread throughout the game with each team having scoring runs occasionally. But usually the spread at the half and the spread at the end are pretty much the same.

I prefer more parity in the leagues as opposed to stacked teams with free agents but those days are long gone. You will always have it. The NY Yankee type stacked teams are the norm in all sports and will continue to be.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 09:41 AM
For the next few years, it's going to be Cleveland vs. Golden State in the finals. Those two teams are too much better that any other team. I don't think it's bad for the league because they put on a great show.
I'm a Celtic fan. We have the top pick in the draft. Even with the top pick, and if we can sign a top free agent, we will still be far from being able to beat Cleveland or Golden State.
So, for the next couple years, I'll enjoy the greatness of those two teams and their super stars, and hope the Celtic can be the next great team in a few years.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 10:41 AM
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was anybody as bored as I was. Granted I am a hockey fan but in thinking about NBA

if you combined Golden State and Cleveland teams and let the rest of league pick another team from all the other players to play them. Who would win? I think the 2 team combo wins.

That is pretty pathetic? Thoughts


I also agree that the GSW + Cle all stars would be in great shape against the rest of the league all stars. It does happen from time to time though because of the unique dominance the best player in the league can exert over a basketball game. When that best player is a true all time great - if you surround them with a team of other superstars they'd likely take down a rest of the league all star team. So, the Heat/Spurs Finals teams would have a shot against the field, the Heat/ Thunder final from '12, the Bulls/Jazz, Bulls/Suns, and perhaps Bulls/Lakers Finals in the 90s, many of the Lakers/Celtics and even Lakers/76ers Finals from the 80s, possibly the Knicks/Lakers Finals in the 70s, and definitely the Celtics/vs Wilt Finals in the 60s. It's not a completely new phenomenon, though the incredible concentration of talent on GSW and the level LeBron is at right now made this year even more extreme. In general though, basketball is not a sport that lends itself to parity - a couple transcendent guys can exert so much influence over the outcome. The beauty for me is in watching them do it.
And hey - I bet fans of other bands don't find it fair the ABB had Dickey/Duane/Berry or Warren/Derek/Oteil all at the same time too. Not much parity there either.

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 10:57 AM
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And hey - I gets fans of other bands don't find it fair the ABB had Dickey/Duane/Berry or Warren/Derek/Oteil all at the same time too. Not much parity there either.


Great perspective! Love it.
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There is definite truth to BigV's statement of the last two minutes and that is why it has been said since the beginning of time. Most NBA games have the same basic point spread throughout the game with each team having scoring runs occasionally. But usually the spread at the half and the spread at the end are pretty much the same.


DISAGREE. Apparently you haven't watched many Warriors games this year, including the playoffs. There was only ONE game in the Finals this year that was decided in the last two minutes: Game three in Cleveland, which the Warriors won. Even the one game that Cleveland won in the series, they blew the Warriors out and the outcome was not even close to being decided in the last two minutes. How about the rest of the Warriors' playoff run? They SWEPT Portland, Utah and San Antonio. You'd be hard pressed to find one of those games which was decided in the last two minutes, such was the Warriors' dominance. The third quarter is when the Warriors routinely put teams away, and it was true in the Finals. The Cavs actually had me worried in game 5, with an 11 point lead in the first half. Then the Warriors went on something like a 20-2 run and the game was essentially over.

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For the next few years, it's going to be Cleveland vs. Golden State in the finals. Those two teams are too much better that any other team. I don't think it's bad for the league because they put on a great show.
I'm a Celtic fan. We have the top pick in the draft. Even with the top pick, and if we can sign a top free agent, we will still be far from being able to beat Cleveland or Golden State.
So, for the next couple years, I'll enjoy the greatness of those two teams and their super stars, and hope the Celtic can be the next great team in a few years.


Thanks for saying you'll "enjoy the greatness of those two teams". Very respectful of you.
And ANY Celtics fan should, because the Celtics 50 years ago had dominance over the NBA like no one will EVER have, including Golden State. Yeah, I know, I know, it was a vastly different game back then with MUCH fewer teams (I don't even know how many but it was comparatively small). Consider this: The Boston Celtics won the NBA title ELEVEN times between 1957 and 1969. Think about that!! That's a level of dominance that has never occurred in ANY sport, EVER. They won it in 1957, did not in '58, then went on a most amazing run from 1959-1966 in which they won it EIGHT consecutive years. They hiccupped in '67 but won it yet again in 1968 and '69. Now you can say what you want about levels of parity then, but they had to contend with the Lakers who had Jerry West and Elgin Baylor, not to mention Wilt Chamberlain's Philadelphia Warriors just to GET to the championship series.


 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 11:22 AM
You read my post wrong. I didn't say that it was decided in the last two minutes. I said that the spread is very often at the half as at the end. Which it is. Plus you are focusing on one team. How many games amongst all the teams were decided in the two minutes? Plenty. How many had a similar spread at the end of the game as at half? The majority.

I am not saying that only the two minutes count. But it usually is an indicator of how the entire game went. There is just too much scoring in the NBA for teams to have some big comeback to win.

But no need to get defensive of GS from me - great team and the champions. I would have preferred to see them do it without adding Durant. Also think Durant on OKC was better for the league and competition. But that isn't reality.

Again there are pros and cons to all sports and money changed/ruined everything depending on your opinion.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 11:32 AM
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Anyone who makes a statement like you just did, that you could watch only the first and last two minutes of a game and not miss ANYTHING, certainly does not appreciate the beauty of NBA basketball.


"Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder"...I stand by my statement, The NBA, bores me to tears.

Rob, you sound more like a Warriors fan, than a fan of the NBA. Would you have started this thread if the Cavs had won?

I sincerely doubt it.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 11:43 AM
Rob didn't start it.

It was those damn hockey fans causing trouble again.

 

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  posted on 6/17/2017 at 01:22 PM
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For the next few years, it's going to be Cleveland vs. Golden State in the finals. Those two teams are too much better that any other team. I don't think it's bad for the league because they put on a great show.
I'm a Celtic fan. We have the top pick in the draft. Even with the top pick, and if we can sign a top free agent, we will still be far from being able to beat Cleveland or Golden State.
So, for the next couple years, I'll enjoy the greatness of those two teams and their super stars, and hope the Celtic can be the next great team in a few years.
I am also ready for the Celtics to dethrown Lame-bron and the Cav's in the east.patience.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2017 at 06:55 AM
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For the next few years, it's going to be Cleveland vs. Golden State in the finals. Those two teams are too much better that any other team. I don't think it's bad for the league because they put on a great show.
I'm a Celtic fan. We have the top pick in the draft. Even with the top pick, and if we can sign a top free agent, we will still be far from being able to beat Cleveland or Golden State.
So, for the next couple years, I'll enjoy the greatness of those two teams and their super stars, and hope the Celtic can be the next great team in a few years.
I am also ready for the Celtics to dethrown Lame-bron and the Cav's in the east.patience.


They are working that way from what the rumors are. Possible trying to acquire Jimmy Butler and Gordon Hayward.

The Pacers sound like they will be losing George also. This was something that has been coming for awhile and I blame Larry on this. They really did not have a lot of leverage earlier in the year and now they have none. They wont get anything for him , he will be a one year rental. The Pacers will slip into irrelevance with him leaving , they have nobody , and who would want to come here now?

The trend of building "super teams" continue.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2017 at 07:41 AM
The Celtics are on the move, looks like they're trading the number one pick. I hope Ainge knows what he's doing.

 

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Anyone who makes a statement like you just did, that you could watch only the first and last two minutes of a game and not miss ANYTHING, certainly does not appreciate the beauty of NBA basketball.


"Beauty, is in the eye of the beholder"...I stand by my statement, The NBA, bores me to tears.

Rob, you sound more like a Warriors fan, than a fan of the NBA. Would you have started this thread if the Cavs had won?

I sincerely doubt it.


I recall rob being pretty excited for the game even when the Warriors were upset by the Cavs last season, which was some pretty great playoff basketball.

For the past several seasons there have been some amazing playoff runs. Even with the NBA's flagship teams (Knicks, Celtics, Lakers, Bulls) being out of the conversation for most of the past few seasons, fans in other markets have had something to watch. This season was pretty lop-sided between the Cavs and Warriors, but it is the exception to the rule since the Spurs, Rockets, Thunder and Grizzlies have all been competitive in the West during that period.

The NBA is the youngest of the 4 major pro sports leagues, but even when it was young it was pretty top-heavy between the Lakers/Celtics/Philadelphia Warriors. The competition from the ABA brought it some parity in the 1970s, leading to some great basketball in the 1980s. I think it expanded too quickly in the late-80s/early-90s and would benefit from fewer teams (does there have to be a Minnesota Timberwovles?) and a slightly shorter season.

The NBA bores you? Ok, fine, but your disinterest doesn't quantify the actual product.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2017 at 11:10 AM
agree with PCB.

this article may be useful to this discussion(Rob referenced it in his original post):

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-finals-how-the-warriors-dominance-can -help-forge-a-better-nba/

also, i adhere to the Bill Walton notion which emphasizes the poetic beauty inherent in the teamwork & individual skills of the players.But,that too is a matter of taste.Frankly,football bores me to tears.Am i right?wrong?NEITHER.It's an expression of taste-so too the NBA & hoops...& when it comes to hoops i'm gonna love most of it-it's been my passion since playing organized ball in grade school,HS & college.You hate it...finre by me-i love it

 
 


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