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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 05:47 PM
Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 05:54 PM
Good luck blaming the Democrats. Had Trump not made his shortsided executive order we wouldn't be in this situation. Blame the failure on your great negotiator. First time ever a single party has held congress and the presidency and the government will shut down. Complete failure of the Republican leadership. Pathetic
 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 06:31 PM
If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 06:54 PM
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If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?


Read the second sentence of my previous response. Trump put the country in this predicament. It is also his job as leader of the country to show some of his great negotiation skills to get us out of a situation of his own creation.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 07:18 PM
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Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.


Trump said he would sign any bill that crossed his desk. He was presented with a biprtisan bill. He rejected it. Trump owns this.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 07:21 PM
The vote is supposed to happen within an hour. The deadline is Midnight, so they better get down to business.

If it does not work, this is what some of the leaders will be doing next week.

With the House scheduled to be out of session next week, several leaders have planned trips abroad. Vice President Pence will travel to Israel and Egypt, Ryan will visit Iraq, and House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows (R-N.C.) will accompany Trump to the World Economic Forum in the Swiss resort village of Davos. McCarthy spokesman Matt Sparks said the Davos trip would be canceled in the event of a government shutdown, but that did not stop Pelosi from criticizing the trip.

"Every year the Republicans plan the January schedule so that they can go to Davos. They want to spend next week hobnobbing with their elitist friends instead of honoring their responsibilities to the American people," she said.

On Jan. 30, Trump is scheduled to deliver his State of the Union address.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/government-shutdown-looms-as-senior -republican-signals-vote-within-hours/ar-AAuTlMT?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Tensions are running high on the hill.

https://twitter.com/SenThomTillis


WHAT HAPPENS IN A SHUTDOWN?

http://news.trust.org//item/20180119010656-2fygg/




[Edited on 1/20/2018 by gina]

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 11:08 PM
Hey Goob, 4 Republicans voted against the bill. Graham, lee, Flake and Paul.


The GOP owns the shutdown.

 

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Hey Goob, 4 Republicans voted against the bill. Graham, lee, Flake and Paul.


The GOP owns the shutdown.


I don't know man. I'm waiting for someone to blame Hillary.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2018 at 11:26 PM
Four Republicans vote no, five Democrats vote yes.

First one-party government shutdown in the history of ever.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 12:08 AM
Funny, everyone hurry to blame the party you don't like.

What is the root cause? Senate failures to pass budget appropriations. Be it Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell...the Senate is just flat broken. No actually, our country is broken.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 09:18 AM
Who wanted the shutdown? What the numbers say:

House Vote for Continuing Resolution -
224 Republicans voted Yea (95%)
11 Republicans voted Nay (5%)

6 Democrats voted Yea (3%)
186 Democrats voted Nay (97%)

Senate Vote for Cloture on the Continuing Resolution vote -

45 Republicans voted Yea (90%)
5 Republicans voted Nay (10%)

5 Democrats voted Yea (10%)
44 Democrats voted Nay (90%)


What do the numbers say who voted to fund the government and who voted to not fund the government?

What does the New York Times say?

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Senate Democrats blocked a spending bill on Friday night that would have prevented a government shutdown. The procedural motion to advance the bill needed 60 votes to pass.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/19/us/politics/government-shutdown.html


 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 09:22 AM
Shelton Whitehouse just tweeted he has some optimism the Senate may be able to reach some deal this weekend. We shall see.

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the lengthy Senate Floor conversations were productive and bipartisan. No guarantees, but there is a strong chance for a resolution over the weekend with good faith on both sides.
https://twitter.com/senwhitehouse



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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:11 PM
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said the Democrats wanted the shutdown, but the Senate will still keep working to try to fix things.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-takes-hard-line-after-fail ed-shutdown-vote/ar-AAuVkFi?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

"What we have just witnessed on the floor was a cynical decision by Senate Democrats to shove aside millions of Americans for the sake of irresponsible, political games," he said from the Senate floor. McConnell did not lay out a back-up plan, but instead said the Senate will vote again on the House-passed bill, signaling Republicans and the White House believe they have an advantage and will seek to pile on blame for Democrats on the shutdown.

"We're going to keep on voting. The government might be heading into shutdown, but the Senate's not," he said. His comments came after Democrats, and some Republicans, blocked a House-passed bill to fund the government through mid-February. Forty-five Republicans and five Democrats backed the bill, while 44 Democrats and four Republicans opposed it in addition to McConnell, who cast a "no" vote for procedural reasons to preserve his right to bring the bill up again.

McConnell referenced the White House statement, noting that the administration "will not negotiate the status of unlawful immigrants while Democrats hold our lawful citizens hostage over their reckless demands."

MEANWHILE, THE DEMOCRATS INTENSIFY OPPOSITION TO A STOP GAP BILL TO END THE SHUTDOWN, LED BY HOUSE MINORITY LEADER NANCY PELOSI

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/369926-house-dems-intensify-opposition-to -stopgap-bill-blame-trump-for-shutdown

She also criticizes Trump, which is what the crux of the opposition is REALLY all about. She said he gets an F for "big Fat failure" for his first year in office.



28 minutes ago, 12:40 p.m. the House says it will back a three week stop gap measure bill. Guess they don't want to be blamed for the shutdown.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/369922-house-gop-backs-three-week-funding -bill



Paul Ryan, the eternal optimist and partisan peacemaker.
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/369925-ryan-on-shutdown-this-is -utter-madness



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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:30 PM
At some point, and maybe it will not be until re-election time rolls around for the Congressional members and the Senate, will Americans stand up and say enough of this extortion. We want a government that actually works for us, not one that holds people hostage until the partisan party members get what THEY want.

Time and time again, these pathetic civil servant pissants refuse to do their jobs with the honor and intregrity their positions require. They play games with people's lives, rather than voting honestly, ethically on any legislation put before them, they offer to sell their vote. It's always, well if you want me to vote for this, I have to get something out of it. I want this .... then they add on amendments to bills that have NOTHING to do with the original bill. That practice should be outlawed and these people exposed for what they are, a bunch of stubborn little bitches and pr*cks who are unworthy of the offices they hold. Should we call them a s-hole Congress?

They sit there thinking how the shutdown could effect their individual plans and lives, so they might vote for a 3 week stop gap measure so they can go on vacation, yet the people effected by the shutdown, the ones who still have to go to work with NO PAY, yet have mortgages and other life expenses they give no thought to them. They do not represent anyone but themselves, their comeuppance will come, as it must. They are a bunch of powerhungry extortionists PREVENTING America from becoming great again. They want it to fail, so they can have jobs to 'fix it', vote for them and they will fix it. Next time they are up for election, it's really simple, VOTE OUT THE INCUMBENTS who represent only themselves.





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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:31 PM
Well, I don't think the blame the Dems thing is gonna work. It's a pretty disgusting and indefensible stance being taken here by the hard right and by Trump and his ass kissers, OriginalGoober. He seems unwilling to take a stand decisively on anything, for fear of losing any group who will support him, even rascist hate groups. I saw all of em speak today, a lot of on both sides actually sounded rational, Ryan and McConnell sounded like that usual, clueless, idiot seives, Trump sounds like the biggest buffoon in all this as he usually does. For such an intelligent, stable person, he sure seems stupid???................Peace..........joe
 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:37 PM
Joe, the Democrats have been doing the lets ban together and vote as a bloc thing since the tax reform debates, they offered to vote for it IF they got concessions on DACA. DACA had nothing to do with tax reform, unless you reach for straws and say well the illegals do not pay taxes so that impacts taxes; their tactics are selling their votes IF they get concessions on other votable matters. Each issue, like DACA should be something voted on and negotiated on separately, that is my point, they should not hold America hostage on other issues to try to get something un-related.

Right now the issue is funding the government. The DACA children do not pay into the tax base or add monies that can be used in the budget, so that issue is un-related to funding the government. It needs to be dealt with separately, just like building the wall, which is a homeland security issue.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:43 PM
I heard Schummers press conference a few minutes ago on the radio.

He highlighted something that really gets to the bottom line with this White House. He said when has had meetings with Trump, that Trump seems willing and interested in what they are discussing. But then afterwards somebody gets ahold of Trump and changes everything. And McConnell has in effect said the same thing.

The appeal with Trump was that he could be a deal maker and that he wasn't really a Republican. But his deal making potential (to the extent it exists) is hindered by willingness to (or reliance on) letting some members in the Republican party sway and shift his positions which result in counterproductive deal making.

What I had hoped with this President is that we might get some legislation that pulls some number of Democrats and loses some number of Republicans and we get something resembling compromise in governing. Sure, I expected, and think it is wise, you ask for the moon to start out with and then whittle it down to what is actually possible and palatable to enough people to get passage.

If we didn't live in this two party system and we had true independent thought rather duopoly group think we'd be much better off. But everything either has to fit in this box or that box and any beliefs that Trump actually has to go along with left or Democrat wishes are thwarted by the right.

So what we have is a Republican President that can't control his own party, but the party controls him. Maybe it is always kind of like that in one way or another in our system. But we are not getting true "deal making" that Trump was supposedly going to bring to Washington. Maybe it is more like, Trump isn't really changing Washington, Washington has changed him.


 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 01:47 PM
Gina, I think a lot of brave and hard working congress people are laying a lot on the line and working hard everyday, by refusing to buckle under the pressure of an oppressive, control and power fueled fascist administration. I think we saw some of that courage and resolution in the negotiations last night. My best to any Democrat or Republican who continues to fight for compassion and humanity and our Democracy...........Peace..........joe
 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 02:15 PM
I would say all Your assessments are probably correct nebish, I am just concerned that Trump's "dealmaking" historically has involved too much fraud and other criminal behavior............Peace.........joe
 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 02:24 PM
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Funny, everyone hurry to blame the party you don't like.


I know, right? No way that ideology or beliefs factors into it at all.

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What is the root cause? Senate failures to pass budget appropriations. Be it Harry Reid or Mitch McConnell...the Senate is just flat broken.


Continuing Budget Resolutions or Continuing Appropriation Resolutions have been the way things have gone for almost 20 years. Obviously, there really isn't a need to go back and forth over a President's budget anymore, this is the way it is.

The 2013 shutdown was fun too...debt ceilings and Obamacare and Green Eggs and Ham filibusters.

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No actually, our country is broken.


Yup, almost exactly in half.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2018 at 07:00 PM
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Dems will own this one. DACA has zero to do with passing a budget. Let's see how far dems go before they realize the whole plan backfired.


Hey goob - Did you catch any of the "Womens Marches" all across this country today? They are gearing up & galvanizing to impact the vote in November, and by the way...not for Trump & the GOP. Much of the protests were aimed against Donald Trump and what he stands for. Did you hear any of the chants? Didn't hear any anti Schumer chants but heard many anti Trump chants. You will see the results come November. Stay tuned. In the meantime, if it makes you feel good you can parrot Ryan and Trump & blame Schumer (which is...by the way...spelled with one "m").


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/second-women-s-march-draws-thousands-f ocuses-voting-n839476

 

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  posted on 1/21/2018 at 10:55 AM
Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.

 

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Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.


goob - Who is Schummer? Might you be referring to Chuck Schumer?

The increase in projected deficit is a directly related to The GOP beautiful Tax Bill. I'll bet you had major problems with deficits when Obama was in office. Now Trump deficits are good. Supply side economics have been highly successful over time, correct?

Why is it that Trump was on board with Graham (GOP) and Durbin (Dem) plan and then undercut by the likes of Cotton & Purdue? You might want to look at that reason as a catalyst for the shutdown. The great negotiator has proven he really can't negotiate...maybe with real estate deals, payoffs to porn stars, and with Russians. On the other hand, it doesn't look like he has a grasp on the ability to do deals in gov't.


 

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Did not democrats vote against the tax reform bill due to increasing the deficit concerns? Now the Schummer Shutdown drama comes because democrats WANT to increase the deficit for more benefits to illegals and other social program funding.

They are reeling from no consice message other than playing identity politics.


Since DACA families are not eligible for welfare, this is not an issue. And even if it was, it would not increase the deficit anywhere near as much as the tax bill will.

Shutdown drama happened after Trump refused several bipartisan bills. This is on Trump. Now he missed his gala at Mar-a-Lago. (sniff, sniff) Who knew presidenting was so hard?

and now, Schumer is spelled S C H U M E R.


 

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If 60 votes are needed how can you blame republicans?


Read the second sentence of my previous response. Trump put the country in this predicament. It is also his job as leader of the country to show some of his great negotiation skills to get us out of a situation of his own creation.



Obama put this DACA fiasco on the country with his "temporary" exec. order and putting the end date after his failed administration's exit.

Schumer and The Democrats voted against funding the Federal Government by insisting on blanket amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.

The budget passed in the House but The Senate Democrats shut down the government.

In a Fake News (formally known as CNN) poll the majority blamed The Democrats for the shutdown.

Schumer went to The White House last Friday to talk with President Trump. Schumer offered to fund the military. He also said he would vote to authorize the funds but refused to allocate the funds.
Agreeing to authorize but refusing to allocate the funds accomplishes nothing which is exactly what Schumer and The Democrats wanted. A shutdown.



 
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