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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 12:41 PM
President will be announcing something to do with the present border situation, which is obviously a stalemate.

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 01:24 PM
He's going to move Mar-a-Lago to Cozumel and take up residency there saving the United States from further destruction?
 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 02:17 PM
Not really sure it matters a whole lot what Trump says today, I think the end result will be the same, just a matter of how much he f*cks things up in the meantime. Indictments and charges against him will be filed and sealed, he will be impeached by Congress, which may or may not mean much and when he leaves office, I am guessing he will be charged with crimes ranging from conspiracy with Russia to tax fraud and money laundering and lots of stuff in between. ...........Peace .......joe
 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 04:02 PM
I hope they charge him with treason.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 04:22 PM
So, his answer is to spend even more money than he originally asked for. Yeah...no.
 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 07:00 PM
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So, his answer is to spend even more money than he originally asked for. Yeah...no.


Yes for a more comprehensive plan which includes DACA and humanitarian aid.

 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 07:06 PM
ALL HAIL THE GREAT ORANGE DEAL MAKER!



 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 07:42 PM
Building a wall around Mar-A-Lago?

 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 08:25 PM
My favorite part of the speech was when he was talking about the dangers of crossing the border where 1/3 of the women are raped...and how forcing these woman to climb a ladder over a wall or crawl through a tunnel will make it much safer for them.
 

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  posted on 1/19/2019 at 08:35 PM
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Building a wall around Mar-A-Lago?


Hey, my apologies to Floridians, but what if we as a Nation, went ahead and gave Trumpsters their paradise, the entire state of Florida? Under the condition they be walled off, it would be so easy and cheap to wall off Florida???.........Peace.....joe

 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 08:23 AM
So CHUCJ AND NANCI say NO DEAL. Congrats, democrats own the shutdown now.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 09:39 AM
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So CHUCJ AND NANCI say NO DEAL. Congrats, democrats own the shutdown now.


goob - You do realize that Trump told the nation he would would take ownership for the shutdown? This contradicts your delusion. You also do realize that the American public squarely blames Trump & the GOP by 20 plus pct points for the shutdown? However if it makes you feel better, you can post false information.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 10:07 AM
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So CHUCJ AND NANCI say NO DEAL. Congrats, democrats own the shutdown now.


goob - You do realize that Trump told the nation he would would take ownership for the shutdown? This contradicts your delusion. You also do realize that the American public squarely blames Trump & the GOP by 20 plus pct points for the shutdown? However if it makes you feel better, you can post false information.


This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it. The solution is in the $$, build the wall (or finish it) then negotiate. Enforce existing law and then worry about the "Dreamers". Believe me, there is plenty of blame to go around....

 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 12:08 PM
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So CHUCJ AND NANCI say NO DEAL. Congrats, democrats own the shutdown now.


goob - You do realize that Trump told the nation he would would take ownership for the shutdown? This contradicts your delusion. You also do realize that the American public squarely blames Trump & the GOP by 20 plus pct points for the shutdown? However if it makes you feel better, you can post false information.


This whole event has "Neener, neener" written all over it. The solution is in the $$, build the wall (or finish it) then negotiate. Enforce existing law and then worry about the "Dreamers". Believe me, there is plenty of blame to go around....



Now we will see if the Democrats really want to protect the citizens and reopen the Government.
President Trump's compromise offer hits the Senate floor Tuesday.

President Trump's offer was clear but even before he presented it Pelosi and many Democrats rejected it. Okay.

After the vote the American people will know who supports their safety and really want the partial shutdown ended.


 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 02:46 PM
You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?
 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 03:13 PM
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You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?



I mean the partial government shutdown brought to us by the Democrats who refuse to protect the country and favor the assault, robbery, rape and killing of thousands of American citizens by illegal aliens every year.

 

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You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?



I mean the partial government shutdown brought to us by the Democrats who refuse to protect the country and favor the assault, robbery, rape and killing of thousands of American citizens by illegal aliens every year.



I would love to see where you got the statistics of "thousands" of murders by illegals each year. On second thought, I have no desire to see a picture of your ass.

 

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  posted on 1/20/2019 at 04:08 PM
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You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?



I mean the partial government shutdown brought to us by the Democrats who refuse to protect the country and favor the assault, robbery, rape and killing of thousands of American citizens by illegal aliens every year.



I would love to see where you got the statistics of "thousands" of murders by illegals each year. On second thought, I have no desire to see a picture of your ass.


Bot Boy doesn't pull them from his ass but simply retypes the script handed to him by his boss at the factory somewhere in Stalingrad. His entire persona, like his statistics and ignorant posts and replies, is completely fake.

 

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  posted on 1/21/2019 at 08:12 AM
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Transcript excerpt - To physically secure our border, the plan includes $5.7 billion for a strategic deployment of physical barriers, or a wall. This is not a 2,000 mile concrete structure from sea to sea. These are steel barriers in high priority locations.

Much of the border is already protected by natural barriers, such as mountains and water. We already have many miles of barrier, including 115 miles that we are currently building or under contract. It will be done quickly. Our request will add another 230 miles this year in the areas our border agents most urgently need.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/19/politics/trump-address-immigration-shutdown/ index.html



Facts as I see them:

1) Trump created the shut down to begin with

2) Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall, which was stupid then and is stupid now to say that USMCA is paying for it.

3) Going forward anyone who implies or believes the wall is something in an end-to-end, sea-to-gulf, concrete Trump wet dream is just wrong.
"steel barriers" (like more of what we already have there)
"priority locations" (like where most needed, not everywhere)
"230 miles" (not 2000 miles), 200 miles of new barrier would simply bring the physical barrier of the border to less than half it's total length

4) The US already has some 600 miles of physical barrier now. Are we to believe that it should all be taken down and scraped if it is doesn't work? There are areas that only have vehicle barriers that do nothing to impede foot travel, those areas can benefit from enhanced wall/fencing. We have areas that are old Vietnam era steel landing pads. Those areas can benefit from updated barriers. The Rio Grand Valley sector continues to lead to the highest illegal apprehensions, they need more barriers.

I do not see what is at all unacceptable about the points I raise in 3 or 4 above. I know 1 and 2 are very hard for anyone to get around.

Did Trump create the shut down, yes. Does Trump allow the shut down to continue, yes. Is this the right context to have these conversations, no.

But this is where we are at. At what point can't reasonable people see a way forward? Reality says that the government is partially shut down and there are some serious problems and issues with allowing that to continue. So accept reality and figure out a solution. Personally, I think the only issue left to debate is the money requested. Let's whittle those numbers down and see if we can't make a deal then?

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Key details of Trump's plan to end shutdown

The White House sent out key aspects, both the key money figures and compromises, of the plan after Trump's speech:

$5.7 billion to fund a "steel barrier" in "priority areas" noted by Border Patrol
$675 million for increased drug detection technology at ports of entry
$130 million for canine units, training and more personnel
$800 million in humanitarian assistance
$782 million for 2,750 additional border agents
$563 million to hire 75 new immigration judges
Three years of protection from deportation for certain undocumented immigrants
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/19/donald-trump-announ cement-shutdown-border-white-house/2623790002/



I get that temporarily providing 3 years of relief to some isn't enough. But look at it this way, Trump and likely any Republican POTUS has 2 more years (if that). Democrats retook the House, maybe in 2020 they can make gains in the Senate. 3 years is ample time to protect those people and then the Democrats in theory will run the show.

To me, this is more than fair. If the conservative base doesn't like it, that right there tells me it is probably a good idea. No?

This just illustrates what is wrong with our country. Too many people want exactly what they want and they will not settle for anything else. This is what 2 party government has gotten us in this country. Just get all of our "team" together and screw the other side. **** that mentality. America is not made up of two "teams" wanting one party in Washington to control what happens in this country.

Here is the President's compromise. Now what is the other side going to do? Drill down on those numbers and make a deal already!

 

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  posted on 1/21/2019 at 03:41 PM
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At what point can't reasonable people see a way forward? Reality says that the government is partially shut down and there are some serious problems and issues with allowing that to continue. So accept reality and figure out a solution.


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This just illustrates what is wrong with our country. Too many people want exactly what they want and they will not settle for anything else. This is what 2 party government has gotten us in this country. Just get all of our "team" together and screw the other side. **** that mentality. America is not made up of two "teams" wanting one party in Washington to control what happens in this country.

Here is the President's compromise. Now what is the other side going to do? Drill down on those numbers and make a deal already!



A compromise based on an ultimatum. If he truly was the Best Dealmaker In All Of Human History like he says he is, why is this so hard for him?

The Democrats are not going to do anything until the shutdown ends. They do and Trump and the GOP will use shutdowns every other week to get what they want.

I just love all the "come to the table" messaging from the GOP. It's like they want to ignore all the nasty things they've ever said, or something. Too bad. Memories aren't that short.

 

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  posted on 1/21/2019 at 06:10 PM
The "best" solution would be to reopen the government without the wall money, and work on immigration separately..... but Trump won't do that (even though he said he would). Sean and Fox just won't let it happen.
If it's so important, get a deal done for everything.... including what started all this, Trump separating kids from their families.....

 

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  posted on 1/21/2019 at 09:39 PM
He is trying to get something he otherwise couldn't. If he agrees to open the government then he doesn't stand to get anything close to what he wants. This isn't how anything is supposed to work, but that was his tactic, a bad one, but here we are.

So Trump starts it, refuses to end it unless, and the Democrats refuse to do anything until/.

What do we do? I don't know the latest mix, but didn't Independent voters outnumber Democrats and Republicans? So Republicans and Democrats play pissing contest and a majority of people not identifying with either party are like WTF.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2019 at 12:46 AM
Neither side is showing any sign of blinking. It seems like Trump sees this as his final chance to get his wall. He couldn't get it done when the Republicans had both the house and the senate, so he knows it will only get harder from here. It was his signature campaign promise, and he has already backed down from Mexico paying for it, a requirement that it be concrete, and a requirement that it cover the whole border. He is at a point that he has to have something, anything, to avoid complete embarrassment. Trump is taking the brunt of the blame, so he is really in a no win situation. I know that the Democrats don't want to budge at all, partially because it is a stupid waste of money, and partially to further embarrass Trump. If Trump wants his wall he is going to have to give up something huge, not a minor DACA delay. Pelosi isn't a newbie. She is shrewd. Whatever he gives up the conservative base is going to hate, so again it is a no win for him. I think he'll get some additional fencing that he can brag about (and providing money to his Russian friends that own the steel plants he'll be using) and the Democrats will get a path to citizenship for Dreamers. Or maybe putting back the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees. The conservatives will hate it, but his obsession with the wall and his #1 campaign promise will do him in.
 

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  posted on 1/22/2019 at 11:36 AM
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You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?



I mean the partial government shutdown brought to us by the Democrats who refuse to protect the country and favor the assault, robbery, rape and killing of thousands of American citizens by illegal aliens every year.



If only it were that simple especially the protecting part.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2019 at 12:11 PM
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You mean the partial shutdown manufactured by Trump?



I mean the partial government shutdown brought to us by the Democrats who refuse to protect the country and favor the assault, robbery, rape and killing of thousands of American citizens by illegal aliens every year.



If only it were that simple especially the protecting part.


The Democrats could put an end to this shutdown just as easily......

 

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