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  posted on 4/13/2004 at 09:37 PM
Just curious - has anyone seen them in concert? If so, thumbs up or down?
 
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  posted on 4/13/2004 at 09:49 PM
No JIM = No Doors.. period.

I do have one of thier shows though.. they sound OK I guess, but nothing more than a glorified tribute band...

 

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  posted on 4/13/2004 at 10:36 PM
I kind of like some of the stuff on "Other Voices", but "Full Circle" was horrid. Anyone ever heard of these albums? Good luck finding them. I've heard a few mp3's of the "new" Doors, and it sounds pretty good. Ian Astbury is either willing or being coerced by the others to do a dead-on Morrison impression. That is just an insult to me. I might go see them if Densmore was playing. Although, Robby Krieger is 10 times the player he was 35 years ago.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2004 at 10:39 PM
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No JIM = No Doors.. period.



Not being a pain in the butt, but if people had thought that way, then there certainly wouldn't be an Allman Brothers Band... No Duane, Berry, Dickey, etc...

As long as The Doors release new material, and they don't try and re-hash the sounds of the "Morrison years", then they're okay...

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 02:52 AM
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Not being a pain in the butt, but if people had thought that way, then there certainly wouldn't be an Allman Brothers Band... No Duane, Berry, Dickey, etc...

Not necessarily, I think The Stones retained thier essence without Brian Jones, The ABB is a tough call, but Jim Morrison was such an integral part of who the band was that it shouldn't be thought of as The Doors without him, maybe The Krieger-Manzarek Experience would be better.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 03:13 AM
I saw them do 'Light my Fire' on one of the late night talk shows awhile back.

It was painful to watch. A band better left for dead imo.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 03:16 AM
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As long as The Doors release new material, and they don't try and re-hash the sounds of the "Morrison years", then they're okay...

I haven't seen or heard what they're doing now, but rehashing definitely seems to be part of the act if they're having the current singer (Ian Astbury) read Morrison's poetry onstage between songs (as Jim would do) in addition to singing in Morrison's style like gotfiddle says.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 08:49 AM
It seems to me like they are having Ian "re-create" Jim, and that just isnt right

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 09:19 AM
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I kind of like some of the stuff on "Other Voices", but "Full Circle" was horrid. Anyone ever heard of these albums? Good luck finding them. I've heard a few mp3's of the "new" Doors, and it sounds pretty good. Ian Astbury is either willing or being coerced by the others to do a dead-on Morrison impression. That is just an insult to me. I might go see them if Densmore was playing. Although, Robby Krieger is 10 times the player he was 35 years ago.


I have "Other Voices" on record. It's not bad, but definitely not good. Haven't heard Full Circle, but I do think I would maybe go see them in concert now just to see how it is.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 09:26 AM
Off the top of my head, I can't think of another group who would be so much different without one performer. So I go with the "No Jim, no Doors" statement.

I also think that the Doors were very overrated in retrospect. I liked them too, but so much of their material was pretty much Jim trippin'.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 09:28 AM
Not being a pain in the butt, but if people had thought that way, then there certainly wouldn't be an Allman Brothers Band... No Duane, Berry, Dickey, etc...

Every band should be analyzed on a case by case basis. While each member of the Doors was/is talented, Morrison dominated the band.

The Stones survived losing Brian Jones and later Bill Wyman. But could they have ever carried on without Mick Jagger?

If a Morrison-less Doors had any legitimacy at all, the other three would not have folded after those two albums in the early 70s.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 09:52 AM
As a guy who use to pretend he was Jim...oh, never mind

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 10:54 AM
Accept for the "Disco and hair-band era" (read: the Eighties) the ABB always have remained active as a fantastic live band and their recordings (maybe minus the two Arista releases) were of high quality and critically aclaimed.
The Doors ceased to exist more than 30 years ago !!!!!
Now some of them are out of money and lauch this "glorified tribute band" as stated in a previous reply to this post.
They play near my hometown this summer for about $ 50,00 but i'll pass !!!
You have to draw the line somewhere.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 02:27 PM
They fired Stewart Copeland, for what I don't know, and that seems like a stupid career move on anyone's part. I would love to see Stewart get involved with some more prominent musicians like Jimmy Herring or Davis Schools. Although now I hear that Dave is with a band called Stockholm Syndrome that is currently touring Europe.
 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 03:02 PM
I saw them last year at PNC and thought they were excellent. They did seem to literally recreate the aura of Jim Morrison on stage. I never saw the original band in person, but I think they came close. That is what most people seemed to want to hear. I don't remember any new material.
 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 03:49 PM
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And that's the tricky bit - where? This is a problem facing the fans of so many revived bands (including, potentially, one we're all very fond of! )

First of all, as has already been noted, the survivng three band members released two albums as The Doors in the early 70's. This isn't the frist time that the band name has been used sans Jim.

It's also worth pointing out that, as far as Jim Morrison was concerned, he'd pretty much left the band when he went to Europe in early '71 - call it a hiatus at best but, from what sources I've read, I don't think he was too bothered about what the other guys were going to do in his absence (that's not a criticism BTW, just an acknowledgement that he'd moved on in his own mind).

When any chance of a return was removed with his death, the other guys simply took the music they'd already been working on in his absence into the studio, and carried on - given Jim's indifference to the future of the band, they probably felt they had every right to do so.

Do I then feel that Kreiger and Manzarek are The Doors for me? No, I don't - that doesn't mean that the bands two lead instrumentalists AND one of their major songwriters (Robby wrote Light My Fire remember!) aren't qualified to use the name, but just that I feel there's too much missing & too much water under the bridge since July 1971...


 
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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 03:57 PM
I'm sure at least part of the cynicism comes from the fact that the band split up for a long time and then reformed (well, most of it) just last year. That contributes a lot to the idea that they're just in it for the money. Also, the fact that John Densmore explicitly says to the press when he can that they're just in it for the money.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 04:49 PM
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I would love to see Stewart get involved with some more prominent musicians like Jimmy Herring or Davis Schools.


You don't consider Trey Anastasio and Les Claypool prominent musicians?

 

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  posted on 4/14/2004 at 11:11 PM
You are correct . I guess I meant on a longer term basis.
 

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  posted on 4/15/2004 at 12:22 AM
I was a little dissapointed with the Oysterhead CD. I saw them on "Reverb" on HBO and had to have it. It's cool, though. I just think sometimes Trey takes the longest times to say absolutely nothing with his playing. Stewart Copeland is phenominal. He was fired from the Doors for making them sound fresh. They immediatley went and got a Densmore clone. I did see "Light my Fire" on Leno (w/Copeland), and it was way too fast, and yeah, painful to watch.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2004 at 06:57 PM
Kinda reminds one of the Creedence Clearwater Revisited fiasco of a few years back, doesn't it? Where a once-prominent band tries to revive sans one (sometimes more)important band member and having a person who sounds, looks, whatever like the person they are replacing...not cool then...not cool now. Also reminds me of Kiss, they are on the road this summer, in make-up, with 2 people who are wearing Ace Frehley and Peter Criss' make-up...ughhhhhhhhhh, especially as I know that these 2 guys play circles and then some around their predecessors.
 

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  posted on 4/15/2004 at 07:18 PM
the 2 guys that replaced criss and frehley are Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer. Singer was in the band after Eric Carr died . After they put back on the makeup singer went on to play with Alice Cooper


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