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Author: Subject: INSTANT LIVE AND ABB ARCHIVAL CD's ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

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  posted on 1/4/2005 at 11:27 PM
The ABB taping policy has been in place long enough that I'm certain that they're not going to allow ILs, or ClearChannels to jeapordize that policy. Bad traders will be responsible for that. We've been quite vigilant in keeping said to fairly low numbers. I'm confident that this will remain OUR policy.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 01:37 AM
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...I think that at some point down the line that the ABB will eventually set-up a website, that for a fee, someone could download some of these "archival" IL shows. The shows are already digitally recorded and if there is a demand for certain "archival" shows, this would be a way for fans to get a IL quality recording of the show and still allow the ABB to be compensated for their work. It's certainly something for the band to think about, which I'm sure some of them may be doing.



Warren already does this with the Mule Tracks deal.

http://www.muletracks.com/

You can DL Flac, MP3, or WMA files of shows for a fee

 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 01:42 AM
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I don't think the profit from ABB IL's would increase if Audience Tapers were banned from the shows, I mean how many people actually trade... I doubt many that attend concerts..... I could be wrong because there are a lot of us around. Even people that do trade, still buy IL's... I can see if the copy and tradings of IL's continues, I'm sure Tapers will be banned from not only ABB gigs, but all clearchannel gigs... hence, wiping out most of tape traders


Dude, we'll never be wiped out. Get a clue. Every Rolling Stones show was taped on the 40 Licks tour. Every single one. If ABB banned tapers, they would just be stealthed like the Stones.

That being said, I would like to personally thank the band for allowing me to tape their shows and applaud their awesome performances from this past summer. Can't wait for the Beacon shows. I'll be at Gregg & Friends at Niagara Falls too. Peace.

 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 10:47 AM
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INSTANT LIVE RECORDINGS ARE NOT FOR TRADE!

The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live recordings for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.

We will delete listings of Instant Live recordings for trade. Your account will be banned if you list an Instant Live recording for trade. If this continues, we will have to take more drastic action such as taking the days with Instant Live recordings out of the trading lists, or even removing the trading forums entirely from Hittin' The Web.

I know that most of you understand this is illegal and do not tolerate it. Please report anyone trading Instant Lives to me or Lana.

Thanks for your support and compliance with this. Let's keep tape trading alive, folks!!

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Rowland

As an attorney and a former Roadie, I can tell you that this is the fastest way to force a band to revoke taping and trading priviliges. This is stealing from the band members. Why do that to a band that has been so good to their family of fans? IMHO

 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 11:32 AM
I agree Twiggs. I'm a taper. I came to this site in September to offer my recordings of the Syracuse and Darien Lake shows. I made some trades w/ people who I thought were sending me other AUD recordings. Instead, I got copied ILs. I think the trading should be restricted to AUDs only. No one can be trusted to trade original IL for original IL. Too easy to make copies. That's just my 2 cents.
 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 03:10 PM
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I don't think the profit from ABB IL's would increase if Audience Tapers were banned from the shows, I mean how many people actually trade... I doubt many that attend concerts..... I could be wrong because there are a lot of us around. Even people that do trade, still buy IL's... I can see if the copy and tradings of IL's continues, I'm sure Tapers will be banned from not only ABB gigs, but all clearchannel gigs... hence, wiping out most of tape traders


Dude, we'll never be wiped out. Get a clue. Every Rolling Stones show was taped on the 40 Licks tour. Every single one. If ABB banned tapers, they would just be stealthed like the Stones.

That being said, I would like to personally thank the band for allowing me to tape their shows and applaud their awesome performances from this past summer. Can't wait for the Beacon shows. I'll be at Gregg & Friends at Niagara Falls too. Peace.


I'll be coming to you for a copy of that show!

 

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 07:56 PM
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These shows are definitely hot commodities. For instance, when I was at the Bristow show this past September a guy in front of me bought 10 copies of the show! You know he probably had the intentions of selling/trading these shows. I find it very disturbing when these people do not follow the wishes of their "favorite" bands.


I don't tape/trade much, although some of you tapers have been incredibly generous and sent me cd's of shows I was at. I really don't know the etiquette or the law, but it seems to me, if someone BUYS 10 copies, even with the intent to trade them, that should be OK. It's certainly better than if he bought one and copied it. Am I missing something? I just don't want to unknowingly do something wrong.

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  posted on 1/5/2005 at 08:17 PM
My guess is that the dude with the ten shows was planning to sell them on ebay.

I think the '04 Chicago Instant Live almost hit $200.00, and the Fox Run was considerably higher than that.

While taking a show that you properly purchased for $25.00 and selling it for $187.50 (I think the final price was) might be taking advantage of folks that aren't aware that the show will again be available for $25.00 in a few months (or are too impatient to care), I assume it's technically legal.

When people say "trading IL's," they mean trading unlicensed copies of IL's. My guess is that there are very few people who are trading their purchased, official IL's for other purchased, official IL's. (ps, if you do this after making a copy for yourself, that's still illegal - when you sell a licensed product you lose your right to the content).

Read those agreements when you click "I agree." Not precisely the same thing, but pretty close.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2005 at 12:19 PM
What about Gov't Mule's "Mule Tracks" shows? There are a lot us of out here who feel cheated because these shows are not available to the general public. They are only available to those individuals who are rich enough to afford CD Burners in their PC's and high-speed access. What about us "Po' Folks"?

 

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  posted on 1/6/2005 at 02:02 PM
Same deal with the ABB shows. QUALITY AUDIENCE RECORDINGS ARE AVAILABLE FOR FREE TRADE.

PM me your mailing address. I'll send you Mule's NYE show to prove it.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2005 at 03:00 PM
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What about Gov't Mule's "Mule Tracks" shows? There are a lot us of out here who feel cheated because these shows are not available to the general public. They are only available to those individuals who are rich enough to afford CD Burners in their PC's and high-speed access. What about us "Po' Folks"?


Just because you can't afford it doesn't mean your being cheated. I am listening to the Mule NYE show right now that I got as an AUD recording and it came out very well. Hook up with TopDroog or me and We'll get you a copy.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2005 at 07:01 PM
I think one of the best ways to help maximize the legitimate circulation of IL's is to release the IL's of a particular leg of the tour about a month after it's completion instead of in one glut at the end. If I could have bought 10 shows at a time I would have collected them all, but one bump for all of them was a bit stout for my wallet. Perhaps then you could have a second issue in November/December to give folks a chance to get what they missed. A little more involved, but I suspect it might be more profitable for the band

 

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  posted on 1/7/2005 at 10:00 PM
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The Allman Brothers Band management has noticed a number of people listing Instant Live recordings for trade in the Tape Trading forums. This is illegal and will not be tolerated.



Video trading TV broadcast are illegal as well
does this apply?

 

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  posted on 1/7/2005 at 11:21 PM
Theoretically, Jason, I suppose it does, but do you really want to make an issue of it? The ABB mgmt. is concerned about money out of their pocket in the here and now. Trading Instant Lives or commercially available studio or concert recordings is BS and uncool. What's the problem?

 

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  posted on 1/8/2005 at 12:07 AM
I am not making an issue
I am making a point
I could care less, I record shows with my own equipment, I don't need IL as long as they allow tapers, but it is a great concept.
my point is, if the trading section is getting cracked down on, then crack down on all illegal activities.

I am all about trading video, I record and offer the stuff up on my own site, and could be found guilty. I don't list them here, although I might offer a link or two from time to time of the ABB performances off of TV (illegal...technically)
My point is, those who are thinking they are "better off" when infact they break very very similar rules. I break some, we all do, but those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.



[Edited on 1/8/2005 by Skydogj]

 

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  posted on 1/8/2005 at 03:40 PM
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  posted on 1/8/2005 at 08:59 PM
I don't understand why Recording a video of the ABB playing would be illegal... I mean it's not like the beacon dvd where they're going to make profit off of it.. and is it totally necessary to keep this in the anything goes part of the forum.. If anything, it should be in the trades forum which it is, and the vines section of the forum.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2005 at 09:32 PM
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  posted on 1/9/2005 at 12:07 AM
it is not illegal to record a video, it is illegal to record a video and make copies and give/trade it away.
copyright violation
same stipulation on records, IL, DVDs, etc

 

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  posted on 1/9/2005 at 12:17 AM
I don't understand why you can't trade a recording like that, it's the same as an audio recording.... only video. Ah, guess that's how the bullet flies.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2005 at 12:32 AM
you ever heard on a ballgame(football, baseball...etc)

...retransmition or rebroadcast without expressed written consent of "______" is prohibited(spellin??)

that is the illegal side they are telling you about.

the subject, to me, was what I quoted Rowland on the first time, the legality of the issue. Illegal is Illegal. We all know it is not gonna stop, but it is frowned upon, and not accepted on this site.
I just wanted to know if it applied to the video side as well, cause it is the same law, and I didn't want to get in hot water with those that run this place.

 

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  posted on 1/9/2005 at 01:03 AM
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The Gregg CD One More Try is out of print and I wouldn't ask anyone for a copy of that.


Terri, keep your eyes open for it in stores that sell used cds. That's how we found our copy. Good luck!

* To clarify, "copy" = original disc and booklet--not a burn.



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  posted on 1/11/2005 at 05:36 PM
I was curious about where this stands...i saw the Raleigh 03' discs at a record store...one of the bigger chains...not in the used bin but in the new section...how does this fit in?
 

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If it's for sale in a record store then it is a licensed copy, no problem. It is when traders burn copies and send them to others that the band objects to.

If you want a copy of an IL show, either buy a licensed copy or trade for an audience recording. Simple as that.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2005 at 08:49 PM
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I was curious about where this stands...i saw the Raleigh 03' discs at a record store...one of the bigger chains...not in the used bin but in the new section...how does this fit in?


I've also seen that same IL in a Sam Goody or whatever. I think the distributors tried that with a couple of the popular shows to see how they'd fare outside the established fan base.

 

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