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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 09:46 AM
Well, there's someone claiming he did.

There's a ticket stub for sale on eBay from a 12/1/70 D&D show. The seller claims that Duane played at this gig, but really offers no proof. He merely quotes some text taken from the Layla liner notes about Duane's participation in the Layla sessions (at a "Miami Studio" - heh!).

Anyone have an concrete info on this? I didn't believe that they'd gigged together.

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 09:53 AM
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Duane played two shows with D&D, one in Tampa 1 Dec 70? and another at Syracuse 10 Dec 70?

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 02:24 PM
Yes, he did play with D&D on December 1, 1970. That was at Curtis Hixon Hall in Tampa, FLA. The show is out there for trade; don't buy it on e-bay, but get it. There are two versions available for trade: the first one stinks and hardly anything is audible, the second (remastered by Capt. Skipper, I think) is lightyears better and fully worth hearing.

He did play with the band on December 10 in Syracuse, NY, but no tape has surfaced of that. Red Dog said Duane played about 10 shows with Derek and the Dominos; I think that number is a little too generous, but maybe he did play more than just these two gigs.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 02:57 PM
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Is there a cross reference opportunity here? As we have the ABB database, I wondered if someone else had done that for D&D. It seems to me that a number of Clapton day to day histories might be one way to prove or disprove any possibilities.

I say "possibilities" as absence of proof is not proof of absence

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  posted on 9/20/2002 at 04:43 PM
That's a good question. Let's see if we can't find one.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2002 at 09:40 PM
I think you go that a little backwards...
Clapton said they did about 8-10 shows together but Red Dog said he only did two.
Miami & Syracuse (12/4/70)
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  posted on 10/4/2002 at 10:07 PM
And during that period Eric was heavily into booze and drugs

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  posted on 10/5/2002 at 11:36 AM
The D&D tour was a short one I think, much like Blind Faith which was a flash in the pan.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2002 at 11:57 AM
Anybody have Red Dog's book on hand? That's the easy way to solve at least part of the issue.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2002 at 10:37 PM
Just reading this thread for the first time, and the suspense is killing me! Has anyone found the answer yet?

 

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  posted on 11/2/2002 at 09:10 AM
Hi Stephanie

I tend to believe the lower number. Duane missed, as reported by Freeman and confirmed by some of our more "mature" brothers, some dates with the ABB to record the Layla lp, but there seems to be very little evidence that Duane joined them for more than two shows.

Does anyone have the cities that D&D played? That is probably the best way to check it out, I would believe.

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  posted on 11/3/2002 at 06:20 PM
I'm curious as well. The D&D tour began in October and ended in December 70. About 24 dates maybe. The live D&D was recorded at the Fillmore October and not released until winter '73. The band disbanded in April '71 after trying to record a second album. There was much disappointment by all involved with the project (layla) at the time. Duane I’m sure knew he recorded an important record but would never appreciate it's acceptance, fully anyway. Layla the song was released initially with out the ending and did not hit it big until ‘72 , then the album started to sell. Hell ! in the Fall of "70, Clapton had many records still selling, from Mayal to Cream, Blind faith and his solo album was on the top twenty with a hit single, "After midnight". I think D&D got by us all at first.. I actually bought layla when it came out and recorded it on my brothers four track reel to reel, then forgot about it until he drove me crazy about it the next summer. My brother liked it right form the start, he even named his dog layla..

I know someone that was at one D&D show Duane appeared. He was foggy on the details but confirms Duane’s appearance, Tampa (One of the Two everybody agrees on). The Dominos appeared on a episode of the Johnny Cash show that was never aired (but no Duane)..
There were rumours at the time Clapton & the Dominos would show up at a Traffic concert at Cornell /Ithica NY I was at, about the same time of the Syracuse NY show . The Ithica show was even billed as with special guest. No D&D, just a guy name Mylon Lefevre and the Holy Grail. Man, Duane to my Knolwedge never came in my traveling distance in those days(I never knew about him at syracuse intill here a few yrs ago )..
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  posted on 11/20/2002 at 04:10 PM
I was going to Utica College in fall of 1970. Had good buddies, who were at Syracuse Univ. at the same time. Got told about the D&D concert in time to go but blew it off for something else that I can't remember. My buddies in Syracuse did the same thing.

I did get a call from them a few days later saying we were really dumb to miss that show as Duane had played with D&D. I have no other details, and don't recall talking to anyone who went to the show.

I don't know if this is confirmation or not. But for my whole lifetime of being an ABB fan I have thought I missed two chances to see Duane, one with the Dominos, and one with the ABB at Boston Common. At least I did manage to catch the ABB at Syracuse with Berry.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2002 at 06:05 PM
Hi Trouthead

If you ever nail down the date, that would be great. It is generally cited as 10 Dec 70, but maybe in question.

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  posted on 11/21/2002 at 01:28 PM
Gosh, Mylon Levevre, if my foggy memory is at all intact, did guest vocals with the Brothers on their Arista albums -- does that seem right? I always associated his name with the soulful backup singing on Never Knew How Much I Needed You.

The Cash show did air eventually, but indeed with no Duane as you say Carlos. They play It's Too Late from the Layla album, then Carl Perkins comes out & he, Eric & Johnny do Blue Suede Shoes, or Matchbox, one of those I believe.

I'll check Red Dog's book -- like Marley I thought he said that Duane played more than two shows with the Dominoes.

 

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Hi Stephen

Yep, I have seen some of the Cash show, and I recall Perkins et al doing Matchbox, not remembering BSS---I saw somewhere that the entire show was recorded but not broadcast---they also did Got to get better in a little while----which I am using in my lecture next week

As to the dates, the only way I know to correlate is to get an accurate tour list and check local papers and reviews to see if Skydog was there.

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Does anyone have a copy of the Derek and the Dominoes show with Duane they'd be up for trading?? I'd love to have it since I've never heard it. THANKS

 

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  posted on 3/11/2003 at 07:44 PM
Not to fold this thread back on itself or anything, but carlosofcoronado said that Duane MISSED a couple of ABB gigs to record Layla. Did they still play without Duane? Anyone know how that went?
 

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  posted on 3/11/2003 at 08:57 PM
Hi Wondrin

From an interview with Duane in March 71, he played only two shows with D&D, and I think hophead? may have been to one of the shows Duane missed............Hophead, do I have the story right?

Apparently, Erick wanted Duane to join the entire 10 week tour, but said no.

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According to my reliable source...the legendary Deadhead (yes, it's true) Pat D. -
He and a friend dropped some of Owsley's famous in Boston in 1970. Arriving at
the ol' Boston Tea Party they found the marquee announcing a band they'd never
heard of - Derek and the Dominoes...It sounded to them like some kind
of 50's act and they thought it would be a goof to see a 50's act in their condition.
Needless to say...they saw history. Clapton laying down these amazing guitar songs they'd never heard before, and this strawberry blond hippie playing slide...just blowin' Clapton off the stage, and everyone else out the door. He actually heard Duane play "Let it Rain," and that's what turned Pat on to the ABB. Ol' Deadhead Pat has told me many great 1st-person rock history stories...this is by far his greatest...


 

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I can definately confirm that Duane played at a Dec. 1970 D&D show in Syracuse... because I was there. A freshman at SU. They performed at the Onondaga War Memorial Auditorium. Believe it or not, the opening act was a guy named Elton John!!!! (Also a forgettable band called Toe Fat.) I still have the poster somewhere. Elton must have been a last-minute addition, because the notice of his appearance was pasted over the poster's original printing. He totally rocked the house, closing with an encore of "Burn Down the Mission," and throwing down the gauntlet for D&D to outdo him. They definately came across. Can't remember much about the setlist, except "Layla" and "Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad." Clapton was wearing a fur hat. Introduced Duane before the first number. I went to see Clapton, but Duane's slide stole the show and got me hooked on the ABB. Saw them once with Duane at Hofstra U. in May, 1971, another time with B.O. at Syracuse, then another dozen or so times with Lamar. And tonight I go see Derek Trucks in Myrtle Beach SC. The wheel is turning and you can't slow it down...
 

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  posted on 10/11/2003 at 07:03 PM
I love stories like that one. Thanks

 

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  posted on 10/12/2003 at 03:24 AM
Hello there,

I just might have the answer !!!
I've got it from a big book on Eric Clapton and contains all the tour dates
he ever played (including the venues AND GUEST MUSICIANS) untill the release date of the book of cause (1994).

I will start typing all info on that tour of D & D because the info is very interresting also given who else joined eric in stage. I will post it within a few hours
(most of you are sleeping at this moment !).

Like Arnie said "i'll be baaaaaaaaaaaack".

to be continued !


 

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From the book "The Eric Clapton Album: Thirty Years of Music And Memorablia":

Derek and the dominis US Tour:

the setlist is taken from:

- Layla
- Got to Get Better In A Little While
- Blues Power / have You Ever loved A Woman
- Key To The Highway
- Tell The Truth
- Nobody Know's You When Your Down and Out
- Let It Rain
- Why Does Love Got To Be so Bad
- Presence Of The Lord
- Bottle Of Red Wine
- Roll It Over
- Little Wing
- Crossroads
- Sweet Little Rock 'n Roller
- Stormy Monday
- Little Queenie

OKTOBER 1970:
15 Rider College, Trenton , new Yersey
16-17 Electric Factory, Philadelphia
21 Lisner Auditorium, Washington
23-24 Fillmore East, New York (shows recorded)
29 Kleinhalls Music Hall, Buffalo
30 Albany Stae University Gymnasium, Albany
31 Dome, Virginia Beach

NOVEMBER 1970:
1 Civic Auditorium, Jacksonville
5 Johnny Cash TV Show , Nashville , Tennessee
(Eric plays "It's to Late", "Got to Get Better In A Little While"
"Blues Power" and is joined by Carl Perkins and Johnny Cash
for "Matchbox")
6 Mcfarlin Auditorium, Dallas
7 Community Centre Theatre, San Antonio
13 University of Nevada , Reno
14 Fairgrounds Coliseum , Salt Lake City
17 Memorial Auditorium, Sacramento
18-19 Community Theatre, Berkley
(Neil Schon joins Eric and is asked to join permanently, but he
declines and later joins Santana)
20 Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica
(Delaney Bramlett joins Eric on Stage. He plays at deafening levels.
He isn't asked to join permanently !!)
21 Civic Auditorium, Pasadena
22 Community Concourse, San Diego
25 Auditorium Theatre , Chicago
26 Music Hall, Cincinatti
(B.B. King joins Eric for "Every Day I Have The Blues")
27 Kiel Opera House, St. Louis
28 Music Hall Cleveland
29 Painters Mill Music Fair, Owings

DECEMBER 1970
1 Curtis Hixon Hall, Tampa
(DUANE ALLMAN JOINS ERIC FOR THE WHOLE CONCERT)
2 War Memorial Auditorium, Syracuse
3 East Town Theatre, Detroit
4-5 Capitol Theatre, Portchester
6 Suffolk Community College, Selden

END OF TOUR

footnote:
Prior to the US-tour there was a D & D UK tour from june the 14nd 1970 'till october the 11nd 1970.
The tour consisted of 2 parts and had a big "break" from august the 22nd
'till september the 20th.
The UK tour had 29 shows with only one show listed with guests joining on stage.
On september the 22nd 1970 at the Palais Des sports in Paris, France they jammed with Buddy Guy and Junior wells, who were supporting the Rolling Stones on their world tour at that time.

Conclusion:
According to this book Duane only played one show with D & D.
Maybe someone can make a cross reverence with the ABB tour dates in this period
in order to rule out a lot of possible other shows at which they might have jammed.

Most musicians, tour managers, staff, roadies etc. were heavely into coke, herion, LSD
and booze etc. at the time so this book as a source of information may be (just as all other publications) incomplete or may contain mistakes.

The Delaney and Bonnie US tour in February and march 1970 which was prior to the
D & D tour lists only B.B. King as a guest joining on stage for 1 show.

Post D & D Eric Clapton went into a booze and Heroin state of limbo
(the next chapter of this book isn't called "EC Was here.......... Or Was He?"
for nothing) and did not perform for a long time.
He only played 2 shows untill 1973 only one of which (The Bangla Desh Charity
at MSG in NY) before Duane's tragic death.

This info is probably not conclusive but still i hope to have answered some questions.

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  posted on 10/13/2003 at 11:17 AM
DutchFan, Duane's appearance at the Syracuse show is pretty well-documented. Aside from the first person account above, I've seen it mentioned many other places (even though it apparently wasn't recorded). So I agree with the jury that Duane played with D+D twice. Red Dog says it was more like ten times, but I haven't seen anything to back that up.

I've heard BAD things about Delaney's appearance with the band.

 

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