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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 10:55 AM
Texas ahead of USC? (by a whopping .0007) Is this correct i.e. represent how the two teams compare to each other? How about if USC loses to UCLA or Cal? Yes, I foresee VTech losing before season's end, and hopefully USC too. But Shockley likely out for GA-UF, which could spell big time trouble for the Dawgs. How would you rank the teams now? Who do you want to see in the Rose Bowl and is it realistically going to happen?

me:
1. USC
2. TX
3. UGA
4. VTech
5. Bama

(disclaimer: I'm a ND & TX fan) But I'd like to see TX v Bama in the NC.

 
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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 11:07 AM
they still need a playoff system
 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 11:27 AM
well I need a date w/Eva Longoria, but that doesn't really address the thread title, eh?
 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 11:35 AM
no but it's still one of the overriding problems in college football would still like to see a ND USC rematch

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 11:52 AM
i think it will sort out this year and will be usc/texas as only two undefeateds. Need an 8 team playoff. Champs of SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Big12, Pac whatever and 3 Others. Sorry to leave out other conferences. Round 1 -4 games new years day, round 2 following week and championship saturday of superbowl or week before superbowl.

Am going down from NYC to see florida/georgia this weekend. GO GATORS!!!!

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 12:03 PM
First off I am an alumni of defending ACC Champs VT. So I have that admitted bias.

With USC getting very lucky to beat Notre Dame (had matt not fumbled the ball out
of bounds the Irish Win) I can see Texas as #1.

I think the Hokies can run the table and go undefeated, Their defense is that good.
Though Miami and Virginia are going to be trouble. The Hokies could end up
as this year's Auburn. I don't see Texas losing, and Cal or UCLA would need
a lot of luck to beat USC.

My biggest complaint with the BCS is some of the computer models. Some
keep data way too long and that favors big ten and big 12 teams while current history should
give more weight to ACC and SEC teams and their schedules. There is a bias in some of the models.
They hurt Auburn last year are hurting the Hokies this year.

Auburn won every game last year and met every test yet USC is crowned champion.
That is intrinsticly wrong IMHO. You can't say USC deserves it more than Auburn
nor the other way arround.

But every team that wins their conference and a bowl game should feel like champions.
There is way Too much importance on crowning a nation champ. It's all about
the money.


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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 12:17 PM
state of game now stinks but as to VT-i agree with your assessment, if they run table then they should be in game over texas who havnt beaten anyone IMO and play in the softess conference going. USC also plays in soft conference but they need to be in game unless they lose-lets face it they have won 2 years in a row and won the big game. Although they have been pushed this year, they have still come out on top and have the exciting players so they need to be in game. IMO, VT will lose one and so will Georgia and Bama and a lousy Texas team will get in and get blown away by the Trojans. ND deserves it more than Texas but when W comes from your state, you even win in the polls we all know that.
 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 12:35 PM
IMHO you need a playoff system. With that said, you cannot lose your hold on the number 1 position if you are the National Champs and you pulled out a win in Notre Dame. They are a damn good team and at home even better. Not a USC fan but no way they should have dropped.
 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 12:46 PM
Depending on how you look at it, the polls are a popularity rating of either the press or coaches. Compare it to professional sports (NFL, NBA and the Major Leagues). There is no attempt to pre-crown or pre-ordain a team as holder of national first place througout the season.

Over the years, I have found myself on both sides of the playoff argument. My first inclination was that these guys are students, and shouldn't spend any more time away from the class than they do. But then I consider high school football, which does have a playoff system. Why not have conference championship games (like the SEC does now) as the first round, followed by "lesser bowl game" pairings of the winners of those games. The final two could play in the championship game. To be fair, this championship game could be played as the Sugar Bowl, Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl - etc. on rotating years.

Having said all of that, the next problem would come during a year when a particular conference had more viable teams than another. In any case, you can pretty much bet that the best game (the most exciting played between the two most talented teams) would occur during one of the playoff rounds.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 01:06 PM
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state of game now stinks but as to VT-i agree with your assessment, if they run table then they should be in game over texas who havnt beaten anyone IMO and play in the softess conference going. USC also plays in soft conference but they need to be in game unless they lose-lets face it they have won 2 years in a row and won the big game. Although they have been pushed this year, they have still come out on top and have the exciting players so they need to be in game. IMO, VT will lose one and so will Georgia and Bama and a lousy Texas team will get in and get blown away by the Trojans. ND deserves it more than Texas but when W comes from your state, you even win in the polls we all know that.


Texas lousy!?!? I think not, my friend. They could take any SEC or ACC team this year. TX WILL NOT get blown away by the Trojans. Early lines are saying about a 5 or 6 point favorite, and keep in mind where the game is. You obviously have not watched too much TX ball this season.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 01:31 PM
heard that argument before my friend-they play in a lousy conference-where they play game does not really matter USC is tested after 3 years. They won at ND. USC or VT would beat texas-heck they wont even get into the game on strength of schedule unless VT, USC or Georgia lose a game (VT and Georgia probably will as they actually play several good teams.)

Would love to see how good texas would play against a good team iin the cold weather. Wow they did kick the heck out of OSU this year. Was it 30 or 40 points like they beat Oklahoma and Texas Tech-two great conference rivals. Dont think so.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:12 PM
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heard that argument before my friend-they play in a lousy conference-where they play game does not really matter USC is tested after 3 years. They won at ND. USC or VT would beat texas-heck they wont even get into the game on strength of schedule unless VT, USC or Georgia lose a game (VT and Georgia probably will as they actually play several good teams.)

Would love to see how good texas would play against a good team iin the cold weather. Wow they did kick the heck out of OSU this year. Was it 30 or 40 points like they beat Oklahoma and Texas Tech-two great conference rivals. Dont think so.


No we didn't blow out OSU. A win is a win. You with your 'tough confernce' attitude should know that. Big 12 is down this year; that's not news to anybody. Recent victories over Michigan and @OSU should tell you TX is legit. Tell me, smart guy, who was the last team to win @OSU at nighttime.

"heck they wont even get into the game on strength of schedule unless VT, USC or Georgia lose a game (VT and Georgia probably will as they actually play several good teams.)"

You're saying TX won't get into the Rose Bowl unless one of those 3 lose? You're sadly misinformed. No way VTech catches TX in the BCS unless TX loses. Not to mention VTech still having BC & Miami left to play.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:13 PM
I, for one, would be shocked if it's not USC v. Texas in the Rose Bowl. For one, I don't see Texas losing. Georgia won't go undefeated (Florida, Auburn and, hopefully, the SEC championship still to play), Alabama still has LSU, Auburn and likely the SECCG. VPI still has Miami and the ACC championship game against F$U.

What's crazy is that assuming Georgia or Alabama loses in the regular season or SECCG, VPI loses, USC could lose to UCLA and UCLA could make the RoseBowl.

Talk about a bitter pill for USC fans. Go undefeated for 2+ years, lose to the cross-town rival and see them play in the Championship game.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:27 PM
i am saying VT and Georgia will lose and texas will get in-read my posts. SW conference or Big 12 is still getting by on Nebraska/Oklahoma dominance from long ago. Conference is weak compared to SEC and now ACC. Thats all im saying. USC is the best team until someone proves otherwise and takes them out-no way should Texas be ranked ahead of USC nor will Texas beat USC IMO. And if VT and Georgia go undefeated and dont overtake Texas in the polls, i for one dont understand it except that once again W is probably counting all the votes. But you could be right, after hearing Cream last night, i am probably in a fog and still smoking something.

Next thing you'll tell me is the Indy Colts should be ranked ahead of the Patriots

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:54 PM
""heck they wont even get into the game on strength of schedule unless VT, USC or Georgia lose a game (VT and Georgia probably will as they actually play several good teams.)""

I quoted you right above that, brutha. How the f*ck should I read this? I'm going out on a limb here and assuming 'the game' is NC, and you're talking about TX. Who esle would you be talking about. You tell me...

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 03:58 PM
Generally, I like the present system. Its not perfect but thats ok. As a Notre Dame alum, I was bummed to see the Irish lose to USC but I don't want a rematch. We play them every year and they beat us. Fair and square. We'll play them next year in the coliseum and I like our chances. (Assuming Reggie Bush wants to start playing on Sundays.)

The BCS computer stuff sure isn't perfect. Auburn certainly was better than Oklahoma last year. And USC should have played LSU the year before. The problem really is the "human" polls. They simply aren't fluid enough. A poll may say that Team A is the second best team in the land. However if they play in a weak conference or some of their opponents turn out to be lousy, this isn't accounted for. Texas is number two and all they have done is beat Ohio State on the road. Granted, Columbus is a tough place to play. But the Buckeyes have no offense. Troy Smith is a garbage qb. Why a booster would give that guy money is beyond me. Maybe he was paying him to quit the team. In any case, OSU isn't a phenomenal team by any means. And Texas Tech was playing cupcakes and got to the number 10 spot. Oklahoma is just plain lousy. Now Texas beat these teams handily with the exception of OSU. Should Texas suffer in the polls despite winning? No they shouldn't. But they haven't really earned the number two spot either. My suggestion would that there be no official polls until mid October. Then teams like Virginia Tech wouldn't have to spend a whole season trying to climb over people. Another example is Northwestern. They weren't rated at the beginning of the year but they may just be one of the top two teams in the Big 10. But the present polling system will only allow them to move up so far. I think this is the biggest problem with college ball. As for a playoff, it started at the end of August.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 04:04 PM
what i was referring to was your post saying not to mention VT still has tough games with Miami and someone else. I agree with your assessment that they will probably drop a game as will GA. If they win all their games my opinion is they or Ga deserve to go over TX solely on a tougher schedule.

My opinion is also that USC is number 1 until someone takes them down which is not happening this year.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 04:24 PM
I don't think anyone can beat USC this year. They're pretty resourceful and calm in the face of adversity. Plus they have Reggie Bush. My theory is there are basically three types of teams that wins championships. The first, and most common, are the teams that have good athletes, play smart football, and are well coached, etc. Most teams fall into this category. The second are the teams that have good athletes but aren't well coached and don't always play smart football but they have "a guy". Someone who is so unique that they change the face of college football. Vince Young is "a guy". Texas is that kind of team. The third and most rare team is the well coached team, with good athletes, that play smart football and they have "a guy". USC is that sort of team. I have been watching college ball since 1977 and for my money, Reggie Bush is the best college player I have ever seen. If you took him off this USC team they would still be a top 10 team if not a top 5 team. With him, no one can keep up with the Trojans. Notre Dame played about as well as they could have and had a lot of things go their way and still lost at home. Texas hasn't seen a team like USC in recent memory and Virginia Tech wouldn't be able to come from behind. As a Domer it kills me to say this but USC seems headed to their 3rd in a row.

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 04:53 PM
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heard that argument before my friend-they play in a lousy conference-where they play game does not really matter USC is tested after 3 years. They won at ND. USC or VT would beat texas-heck they wont even get into the game on strength of schedule unless VT, USC or Georgia lose a game (VT and Georgia probably will as they actually play several good teams.)

Would love to see how good texas would play against a good team iin the cold weather. Wow they did kick the heck out of OSU this year. Was it 30 or 40 points like they beat Oklahoma and Texas Tech-two great conference rivals. Dont think so.


fensrangger- Please reread your first paragraph above and explain to me how one would not infer: TX WON'T GET INTO THE ROSE BOWL UNLESS VTECH, USC, OR GEORGIA LOSES. I'm failing to understand your subsequent logic and/or backpedaling. Thanks.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2005 at 06:23 PM
i havnt backpeddled one bit-texas wouldnt and doesnt deserve to get into the NC unless 2 of those teams lose IMO. Texas hasnt shown me anything by beating the mediocre teams in their conference and USC is the best team in the country. If texas played the same teams these 3 teams played they would lose a game at least. Texas may get voted in even if Ga, or Bama or VT go undefeated but we all know that voting in this country isnt always fair.

This is my opinion now what is your point. Should Dicky Betts still be in the band???

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 09:51 AM
"The SEC commands respect year in and year out, but SI.com's Stewart Mandel says this season isn't the same for the conference."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/stewart_mandel/10/26/mailbag/ index.html

SEC's susceptible to off years too, fellas.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 10:01 AM
perhaps your right SEC can have an off year, also ACC, but both auburn and lsu were cheated a bit previously and quite frankly auburn probably would have put up a better fight last year -hey cadillac sure seems like the real thing in tampa bay. I guess we will see during bowl season how SEC and ACC teams perform vs how well the SW conference teams of Texas and Texas Tech and Oklahoma and Kansas and Nebraska perform.
 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 10:14 AM
Go Hokies!

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 11:07 AM
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guess we will see during bowl season how SEC and ACC teams perform vs how well the SW conference teams of Texas and Texas Tech and Oklahoma and Kansas and Nebraska perform.



Texas, Texas Tech, OU, KU and Nebraska play in the Big 12.

You can say alot about the quality of play in the Big 12, but if you really want to compare conferences, and not to take away anything from USC, but, can you honestly say that up and down the Pac-10 is anywhere near the caliber of conference as the SEC, or even the ACC, Big 10 or Big 12?

 

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  posted on 10/27/2005 at 11:14 AM
The Pac 10 is certainly the equal of the Big 12. If Texas had to play Oregon, USC, Cal, and Arizona State they would have a difficult time going through the season undefeated.

 

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