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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:20 AM
This is prolly a question thats been discussed B4, but does anyone know what gauge strings Duane used??
 
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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 01:08 PM
Okay, I'm editing this post to reflect the information Johnny gave me. Here are the strings and sizes he remember Duane used to use:

E - .010
B - .013
G - .015
D - .026
A - .032
E - .038

[Edited on 1/28/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:09 PM
Duane used light gauge strings, huh? I woulda figured he woulda been a heavy gauge guy. I don't know why, but it just felt like that to me.

Do you know what size pick he used?

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:13 PM
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Okay, I'm editing this post to reflect the information Johnny gave me. Here are the strings and sizes he remember Duane used to use:

E - .010
B - .013
G - .015
D - .026
A - .032
E - .038



Ann are these sizes from Stratocaster days ?

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:38 PM
maybe those are custom set of strings...I use light gauge strings and mine go like this:

E: .010
B: .013
G: .017
D: .026
A: .036
E: .046

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:49 PM
Okay, here is what I've gotten so far. The strings are ones from the Hourglass years. Johnny remembers being in the music store with Duane when he would buy them and was surprised he used the lighter weight strings. Johnny said it was what was on his Strat and that, at least in the beginning, he used the same strings for the slide only he used flat wound for slide. Johnny has no idea what size pick he used....as for me...I didn't know they came in sizes so I'm not much help! Duane had several guitars and I'm certain there were variables with his strings, etc. over the years..although I don't know that for a fact....but this is what Johnny knows about from the early days. Hope it helps.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:50 PM
ps....as for custom strings....Johnny knows for certain they started with 10 and ended with 38....and he prefaced his comments with 'I know it sounds weird but....'

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 07:08 PM
so I guess that's a different, lighter, set of light gauge strings. They probably do come in sets of lighter gauge than the light gauge set I use, I don't stray from my size so I'm not sure all the sizes they come in. Any idea what brand strings he used? Thanks for the information!

and as for "pick size" I mean the thickness. Like I use a heavy pick 1.5mm mostly, but sometimes I go for a 1.0. By saying "pick size" I may have come across a little confusing, sorry for that

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 07:10 PM
Johnny said Duane used Fender strings. And I understand now what you mean about the pick....I seem to recall players discussing the thickness....but Johnny doesn't remember what Duane used....in spite of all the 'authentic' Duane Allman picks floating around.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 07:17 PM
I've never tried Fender's strings even though I do play a Strat as my guitar of choice...I always replaced the strings when I get a guitar. Maybe I'll give them a try. Maybe they'll help me play like Duane

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 08:13 PM
As a non-musician, I always read these type of posts but never have a clue what it translates to. I love knowing all the instrumental details even though I don't know how what strings makes what kind of sound. If you have the time and feel like it, anyone really, mind giving the lowdown on how it affects the music. Thanks if so, if not, thanks anyway.
 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 09:06 PM
There are numerous variables that can affect a guitar's tone. Strings are one and a guitar can sound very different when different types of strings are used. Even an individual set of strings will sound different as it ages. Many guitarists, myself included, do not like brand new strings bit prefer a little but of age and finger grease to smooth over some of the harsh tones strings have out of the box. There are many discussions on guitar newsgroups about this and most guitarists experiment until they find a type of set (or a mixed set) they like.

Now slide players typically like heavier gauge string strings for a warmer, fatter sound (the Duane sound). Lighter strings sound a bit harsh and thin when played with a slide. This does not even scratch the surface of string types (i.e. the material used to make a string), string tension, and how the makeup of the guitar interacts with the strings to produce sound. Still, in most ways it comes down to the player. Derek will sound like Derek no matter what guitar or strings he plays and (for example) I will never sound like Derek even if I wandered on stage at a DTB concert and picked up his guitar and started playing it.

If you really want to get into it, here is a great place to start (go to the articles section). http://www.sobstrings.net And for you guitarists, these are some of the very best strings made. (Disclaimer - I do not have any affiliation with SOB Strings other than as a happy customer.

Hope this helps a little bit.

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 11:24 PM
Thanks Ann !


I like a stiff string in .10s. DRs and Gibsons seem to be about the stiffest I can find without bumping up to .11s
Anybody know what they would consider a stiffer string in a .10 besides DRs or Gibsons ?
Much appreciate the info.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2007 at 10:08 AM
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Anybody know what they would consider a stiffer string in a .10 besides DRs or Gibsons ?
There are a lot more brand names of strings than actual manufacturers. I am not sure how you could get a stiffer sting without it being a heavier guage.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2007 at 02:25 PM
I use light gauge strings so I can bend the notes easier. I'm a big bender so having light gauge strings lets me bend up a whole, even two whole, steps easier.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2007 at 12:49 PM
That .010 to .038 gauge was a standard gauge that Fender had during the 60's and 70's (and probably still do) .010 to .046 is more common now (I use that gauge on my strat) though some players use a .010 to .052 to give a little more beef on the low strings. By the way, Derek uses DR strings.
 

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  posted on 2/3/2007 at 05:18 PM
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There are a lot more brand names of strings than actual manufacturers. I am not sure how you could get a stiffer sting without it being a heavier guage.



I understand what you mean becks, its all in my noggin. High E , B and G seem beefier even though by mico-measuring they match everything else. Maybe they just don't feel as slick as some other brands. I'm one of the fret denter players I guess.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2007 at 05:25 PM
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Anybody know what they would consider a stiffer string in a .10 besides DRs or Gibsons ?
There are a lot more brand names of strings than actual manufacturers. I am not sure how you could get a stiffer sting without it being a heavier guage.


You are correct, sir! Two manufacturer's come to my mind: GHS and D'Addario. The brand name strings are made by one of these two manufacturers.
As for my string sizes, I use 45 - 100. hehehehehe

 

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  posted on 2/4/2007 at 07:14 AM
Carl_radle if you want to try out those Duane strings, you're in luck, I used to use them all the time probably 4-5 months ago, its a set, made by Fender of course, I forget what exactly something like "classic 150's" and the gauge is exactly what bigann posted above. i use to llove to .15 G, but thats too light for me now. I also like a heavier top so I stopped with the 38 and usually use a 46-48 sometimes 52 for low E. I pretty much go with standard 10 set now but I usually prefer a 16 G to a 17 G, the 17 being standard for normal 10 sets. I flip-flop between using a .12 and a .13 for my B string, the .12 caught my interest as thats the B string in the Gibson Dickey Betts signature series strings. Sometimes 12 is just a little too light though.
I also hate new strings, the feel is just too slippery. I like getting a little grime on the strings, I feel I can grip the strings better that way.
I play alot of slide, so I recently got a korean PRS with some killer PRS humbuckers for my all slide guitar, the action is crap for lead guitar, but I use a really light touch for slide and my coricidin slide reissue (I don't know what it is, but I used it at a music store and all it had was a price tag on it, and I had to buy it). Its not exactly like a real corcidin slide as its lighter than the real ones, as told to me buy a knoxville guitar center employee who tried out my slide and had like 5-6 originals given to him, but I like the light feel.
I have extremely light strings on my PRS as thats all I had laying around, and some of the strings knock the frets at times, but I think its kind of a cool unique sound, as long as it doesn't happen on the high E- i hate when that happens, which it really doesn't as thats always a 10.

I tried using .11s recenetly and I hated them, so stiff, and even for slide it was stiff sound. The other guitarist in my band is hugely influenced by SRV so he wants heavier strings, and people say "oh heavier strings = better tone" but Its all in the fingers and wrist, as far as I'm concerned, aside from the guitar and amp which will definetly fatten your tone.
To end this long long post, I'll just say that 10-13-15-26-32-38 set is a great one, it won't make you sound like Duane but I liked it alot until I needed a little more.

P.S. - One time while looking for the strings at a store when I used that Duane set, the cashier said "wow, that is the SLINKIEST set of strings I've ever heard of!" I thought it was pretty funny.

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 10:13 AM
When Jai lived with me he gave me a pick that he says was Duane's. I have no resaon to doubt him. It is a Fender Heavy.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 12:11 PM
I agree, there would be no reason to disbelieve it is Duane's pick. And one has to remember, there were two or three years Duane played after Johnny was in the band with him. I'm certain, like most guitar players I've met, he changed string guages, pick weights and other things with his playing along the way. Johnny only speaks to what he knew....at the time in Duane's life he knew it!

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 02:18 PM
I've got a whole but-load of different pick weights, but there's usually one or two gauges I favor moreso than others.

Maybe Duane favored the heavy's. I find it kinda cool to know little things like how heavy the pick was, how high he liked his action on the guitar (anybody know? )...you know things like that.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2007 at 05:14 AM
I don't know if this adds anything, but the string gages posted are very similar to what was popular at the time for some lead guitarists. Duane was an experienced session guy, and he would have been exposed to what some of the other lead players of the time were using. Strat and Tele players were getting into lighter gages. (James Burton used an even lighter set.) As for the tone, it's in the hands.
 
 


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