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  posted on 2/4/2007 at 04:23 PM
Are any of the slide songs that Duane plays in standard? I have my acoustic tuned to open G for when I was learning Mean Old World, but I'm gonna change it to open D cause I wanna start doing some Elmore James.

But I'm wondering this so I don't have to de-tune any of my other guitars. I don't have that many guitars, so if I could not de-tune them I'd rahter not.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2007 at 04:31 PM
Dreams, Mtn Jam in standard tuning, seems that there are a few more.
Brett Sibley of the Skydogs plays all his Duane parts in standard tuning ( as far as I know) and does a mighty fine job.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2007 at 05:14 PM
I forgot about Mountain Jam...I don't think of that song when I think about slide for some reason, I don't know why...it's awsome.

I mean, I guess I could technically play all the slide in standard tuning, but it'd be a little more difficult I think.

 

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  posted on 2/4/2007 at 10:53 PM
Only parts of Dreams and Mtn Jam are Duane playing slide, the rest his him playing lead.
Again, check the who's who.


One that isn't on that list, and I am not 100% sure about is 'Drunken Hearted Boy' I think that might also be standard tuned slide.



[Edited on 2/5/2007 by SkyDogSys]

 

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  posted on 2/6/2007 at 08:55 PM
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Only parts of Dreams and Mtn Jam are Duane playing slide, the rest his him playing lead.
Again, check the who's who.


One that isn't on that list, and I am not 100% sure about is 'Drunken Hearted Boy' I think that might also be standard tuned slide.



[Edited on 2/5/2007 by SkyDogSys]


Layla is in standard tuning as well. Drunken Hearted Boy is in open E.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 07:22 AM
was open E Duanes favored tuning?

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 03:58 PM
What is Don't Keep Me Wonderin' in? Is that open G? The progression is just G7 for the verse, and then the "please, don't keep me wonderin', no longer." part is Dm7, C9 and G9

is that right?

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 05:34 PM
Duane either used Open E or Standard Tuning. He'd use Open E for slide where he wouldn't need to use Standard.

Don't Keep Me Wondering is in G but you can play it (and any song) in Open E and yeah, you're right about the progressions.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2007 at 11:48 PM
most of Duane's stuff is in open-E but if you're gonna play it on an acoustic, unless you have electric strings or extra light acoustic strings you should tune to open-D which is pretty much the same thing.

the studio version of Trouble No More from the first album is in standard, as well as the slide parts of Mountain Jam, Dreams and Layla, as already mentioned, as well as that one song off of the Layla album with the not blues sounding slide, I think its track 5.

Mean Old World is in open-G, that was clapton's favored slide tuning, Duane messed with it a bit, but anything you can do in open-G you can do in open-E, but with an extra high string, which is the advantage.
Also, the studio version of Don't Keep Me Wonderin' is in open-G, played on a Strat, but only the studio version.

Also a few other little tidbits, Aretha's take on the Weight is in stndard, as well as Clarence Carter's the Road of Love, both from the Anthology 1.

Mostly everything is in Open-E, Standback, One Way Out, most guest work like the stuff with Delany & Bonnie as well as Clapton other than the two in standard, and most session work.
As far as I know.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 07:33 AM
Thanks for the input Magnolia_Man!

So what would Don't Keep Me Wonderin' be in with live versions? Does he play it in Open E?

I'm starting to notice the favoring of open E, through yours and others comments and also songs I've seen trnascribed.

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 10:12 AM
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So what would Don't Keep Me Wonderin' be in with live versions? Does he play it in Open E?
Yes, open-E. You can see it on the Sept. 1970 Fillmore video.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 03:31 PM
How can you tell the tuning by watching it? By where he plays it on the neck?

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 03:47 PM
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How can you tell the tuning by watching it? By where he plays it on the neck?


at the end of the song he retunes his guitar. B>A, E>D, G#>G

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 03:50 PM
I never took note of that. Thanks!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 03:57 PM
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the studio version of Trouble No More from the first album is in standard...


I respectfully disagree. I believe it's in open E, just like the Fillmore version.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 04:51 PM
what's confused people, I think, is an essay that's floating around...it's also on one of these forums

"Open E - "Statesboro' Blues", "Done Somebody Wrong", "One Way Out", "Trouble No More" (Live), "Drunken Hearted Boy", "Stand Back", "Don't Keep Me Wonderin'", and "Little Martha”.

Standard Tuning - "Dreams", "Mountain Jam", "Midnight Rider", and "Trouble No More" (debut album version). "

I know he's playing in open E during the 9/23 video, but I think it's impossible to tell otherwise....sure, it may be easier certain licks from a song in a specific tuning, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's being played in that tuning...is anyone completely sure about the tunings?...when I figure out Duane's blues slide songs, I'm always in open E, as this makes a lot of the licks easier

i guess what I'm asking is whether there is any way to tell what tuning someone's in other than how easy they are to play?

...I've never tried Done Somebody Wrong, Statesboro, Wonderin', etc. in any other tuning than E...have other people?

i know someone who swears that One Way Out is in open A, but I think maybe they're a wee bit retarded

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 05:19 PM
What do you mean you can tell a song by how easy it is? Having a song in one tuning means it's easier to play? I don't know much about slide, but I'm trying to learn.

I would have thought that Done Somebody Wrong is in Open D since it's an Elmore James...but One Way Out is done by Elmore James and he plays it in open E, so I'm not sure

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 08:53 PM
open d is the same thing as open e...tune a guitar to open d, capo it at the 2nd fret, and voila! open e

what i mean by easier to play is that for example:
a lick duane used a lot was to slide on the high string from 10th to 8th fret, B string 10 to 8th, 3rd string (G#) slide up to the 9th, 4th string (E) up to the 10th

in standard tuning, it would be the same for the 1st and 2nd strings, but would slide up to the 10th fret on the G string and then the 12th on the D string

also, in the Skydog book, there's a Duane quote saying how he would tune to a chord and would have all the notes he needed within 3 frets (actually, I think it's by Whitlock relating something Duane told him)....for Don't Keep Me Wonderin' he plays in G and everything is between the 12th and 15th frets except for a couple quick slides up...same for Statesboro, except in D so between 10th and 12th and then 20th and 22nd (octave up) for the second verse of his solo...Done Somebody Wrong is in C, so 6th to 8th for verse and then 18th to 20th for the solo

that's part of it being easier to play...all the notes are right there...no searching about

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 09:11 PM
Ohhh, ok I gotcha. I see what you mean now about it E and D being the 'same" since you could just capo the fret. I never thought to do that, I've just be re-tuning my guitar each time.

I remember that quote from Skydog. It was Whitlock who said that.

Thanks for the info!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2007 at 09:17 PM
When Warren had the slide duties during the years with Dickey, wasn't he always in std tuning when he played slide on the classic ABB songs ?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2007 at 10:05 AM
I think Warren played in standard tuning most of the time. Pholydrix sums it up well- the difference between standard and E (or G) is the distance you have to travel between strings to do some of the licks. When you have to move further between strings, it becomes harder to mute strings and position the slide so it sounds right. When you tune to a chord, it's right there.
 

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  posted on 2/10/2007 at 05:37 PM
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the studio version of Trouble No More from the first album is in standard...


I respectfully disagree. I believe it's in open E, just like the Fillmore version.


What leads you to say that its in E? I play slide and have figured out many of Duane's licks and his licks on the studio Trouble No More sound like positions that one would use in standard, as a couple of his hot licks that you can hear in the live versions are missing. I'm just saying it sounds like standard to me.

and to carl_radle

Whenever the ABB opened with thier slide tunes which was 99% of the time, Duane always was in open-E, playing slide just works better that way as when the slide is aligned completely on the same position it is a major chord, but standard if you played all the notes that were in one position it would just be like bull crap.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2007 at 05:47 PM
WHen you say "aligned completely on the same position" you mean as in over all the strings in one fret? Like in open E if you put the slide over all the strings on the 10th fret it's a D major chord.

I just started messing around with open E today and it sounds really cool with the slide.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2007 at 05:53 PM
Instead of making a new thread I figure I'll just ask here.

Are there any acoustic recordings of Statesboro Blues?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2007 at 12:40 PM
"...I've never tried Done Somebody Wrong, Statesboro, Wonderin', etc. in any other tuning than E...have other people?"

Nah, doing them in open E is your best bet and the easiest. DSW is in the key of C, Statesboro in D, and Wondering is in G.

As for telling what tuning someone is in, ease is the best way. If you can tell its easy for them to form a chord (as in maybe just barring it), you can try to figure out what chord it is and put it in the tuning that would make it easiest.

Oh, and Trouble No More on both the studio and live is in Open E.

"WHen you say "aligned completely on the same position" you mean as in over all the strings in one fret? Like in open E if you put the slide over all the strings on the 10th fret it's a D major chord."

Yeah I think that's what he means because that is what works. That's what's so great about Open E.

And hmm, I haven't heard any acoustic Statesboro's but that would be awesome!

[Edited on 2/11/2007 by tornadothrasher]

 
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