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  posted on 3/10/2007 at 12:23 AM
I have a 1960's research question that some of you may be able to help me with. It has to do with herbal volume measurements.

Everyone knows what an ounce is, and a matchbox (remember your first illicit transaction), but what is/was a lid, a dime bag and a nickel bag?

If memory serves me a lid was a large mao jar top full of a herbal substance, later transfered to a sandwich bag, and dime bag what your could buy for $10.00, and a nickel bag was what you could buy for $5.00. Do I remember right?

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  posted on 3/10/2007 at 12:27 AM
I was aware of all those terms but they weren't used in my circles. We dealt with pounds and ounces and fractions thereof.
 

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  posted on 3/10/2007 at 12:33 AM
yeah, pretty much....in some circles, a dime is a gram and a nickel is a half a gram, but its usually $10/$5

 

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  posted on 3/10/2007 at 12:43 AM
A follow up question would ask how a mayo jar "lid" got converted to the number of digits on ones hand, for example a "four finger lid".

My guess, since it was so cheap back in the day, you just bought a baggie, no idea how much was in it



 

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  posted on 3/10/2007 at 09:58 PM
The 4 finger lid was if you lightly folded over the flap of the sandwhich bag and held 4 fingers up horizonally with the contents of the bag the amount in the bag was level with the top 4th finger. In other words a 2 fingers lid is apprx half and once of the old stuff we used to call "ghetto gold" down here in the south but it was cheap. (Prob Mexican) I remember paying no more than $15 for a baggie so full the flap wouldn't close. Course that was oh.... 35 yrs ago. :-(

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 12:17 PM
"The times they are a changin".........

Prices have definitely gone way up.....for quality herbal enhancements,that is.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 12:39 PM
back in the 70s we could get a "lid" of mexican for about $20. this was about an ounce.

So then a Dime would be a half ounce and a nickel a quarter ounce.


now it's $45 for an eighth of medical grade .

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 12:50 PM
Well back when I was actively engaged in the "herbal enhancement" trade (early to mid '70s), we didn't use the terms likes "lids", "nickle bags" and "dime bags". Basically what was buying/selling were ounces (OZs) and quarters (1/4 lbs).

but anyway here's some definitions from the Marijuana Dictionary.

Lid - Def#1 original 60's version- 1 finger on a bag of marijuana approx. equal to a 1/4 oz. the term comes from the 1960's and is used correctly in Cheech & Chongs movie: Things are Tough All Over.
Lid - Def#2 90's version -1 ounce of marijuana.
Lid - Def#3 submitted version - It is the amount of marijuana that fits into the lid of a mason jar.

Nickel - 0.5 grams of marijuana or 1/2 gram

Dime - 1/16 ounce of marijuana

btw, here's the link to the Marijuana Dictionary.

http://www.marijuanadictionary.com/newmarijuana.html


[Edited on 3/11/2007 by sibwalker]

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 01:14 PM
According to "Panama Red,"



a "lid" was the amount that would fit on the lid of a one-ounce Prince Albert Tobacco can.

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When the keys arrived in the USA, they were fluffed up by separating the buds, stems and seeds. This separation process was always called, "breaking up a brick." The weed, sometime prior to the mid 1960s, was placed in bulk into the 1 ounce red Prince Albert tobacco cans. The culture terminology for decades was that you bought a "can" of weed. The bulk of weed that stacked on the lid of the Prince Albert can sold for a lesser price and was called a "lid" of grass. These were all bulk approximations and nobody needed a scale when they purchased a "can or lid" of marijuana. Another standard bulk measure commonly used were "matchboxes." a big matchbox was equal to a "can" while a small "matchbox" was equal to a "lid." A lid was only about an 8th of an ounce. At some point the term "can" and "lid" became confused and both referred to 1 ounce of marijuana. These early day cans and lids sold for $5.00 to $10.00, and were referred to as nickel [$5.00] or dime [$10.00] bags. By the 1960s marijuana was either accurately weighed into 1 ounce bags or measured by eyeball into approximately equal wax paper sandwich bags. You probably can't even find these wax bags anymore as people went for plastic Glad bags, the original "baggie."


Back when I started my smoking, an ounce of basic Mexican pot was $40.00, usually $35.00 'cuz you got a deal. This was "a bag." A half oz., $20.00, was a "half-bag." A quarter ounce was our "dime" and an eighth was a "nick." This was rarely weighed out, and basically used the "finger method" that Jumbo's talking about above. You could get a good 12-15 joints out of nickel bag. Joints were a buck. It was standard practice to buy a nickel or a dime, sell enough joints to make your money back, and then party up the rest - basically, free weed.

That evaporated in the summer of 1981. There was NO WEED anywhere in our neighborhood - and one thing I always liked about the SW side of the city, we knew people everywhere, not just our immediate "hood." We could hang anywhere from Bridgeport to Orland and it was cool. It was "dry" everywhere, unless we wanted to drive to another part of the city and buy ditch weed sprayed with bug spray, which we didn't.

Then, toward the end of the summer, we see something new, "California Sinsemillia." Bright green weed with red and/or purple hairs that was really, really, good. And more than triple the price. Pin joints went for three bucks apiece, and quarters were $35 dollars. That sort of leveled out over the next couple of years. The quality went down some, as the more powerful Indica was crossed with Sativa (heartier, but less potent) so it would stand up to Midwestern farming conditions. The drought was over, we could get weed anywhere, but it was all the same stuff at the same price. What I missed were the exotic varieties that used to come around. The standard $40.00 oz. was okay for what it was, but when we wanted to shop around and had a little extra money to spend, we could find Maui Waui, Acapulco Gold, Black African Ganja, Thai Stick, remember Thai Stick?, blond hash, hash oil, etc. It seems that once the Midwestern cross-breed weed took over the market, all of the "boutique" stuff fell away. Kind of like the WalMart of weed, 20 years before WalMart actually did it.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 01:19 PM
Even before I found the "Panama Red" story, I had always heard "lid" as having it's origin with the lids of tobacco cans.

And Nickel and Dime are relative, five dollars worth or ten dollars worth, so assigning absolute measurements to them is inaccurate. Ten dollars now won't get me what it got me when I was an early teen, that's for damn sure.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 01:31 PM
If you have any "nickels", "dimes", "lids", "ounces" or even "matchboxes" whose volumes you are uncertain of, you may send them to me for a free, written evaluation. I don't mind. Really.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 03:09 PM
I will always remember this.......

It was 1973, I was 17 and working at a Truck Line. I rode in the big truck with this cool Black Dude named "Eddie". He was real country..like me and he smoked herb also. He was the kind of person that all he had to do was look at the weed and he would say he was high...LOL !

He had always been buying his weed from some "Brothers" he knew. He did not smoke all the time. But these dudes were selling him a small matchbox full for $ 50.00....I was getting oz's for $ 50.00 at the time...good stuff. He would pull that small box out and be happy as hell....he had no idea that he was being ripped off big time.

So I told him to let me get him a sack, I did not tell him what a real sack was going to look like...I wanted to suprise him.

So when I handed it to him...you could see his eyes bulging out like a cartoon and this big smile on his face.....he said "Man I can't afford that !"...and I said "No Eddie..those dudes were ripping you off..this is what you should have got." Then he said he was going to "Kick some asses...LOL ".

Said it lasted him for 3 months...

Remember how when you first started...folks would laugh their ass off at things...then that feeling slowly drifted away....as you got older...still good...but not like it was.


I advise anyone who has not tried it it, to stay away from it...for the good of your own life. Being a "True" Pot Head is not a good thing.If you let it...it will kill your self confidence, dreams and desires...your life will go by in a blur and you will be 50 years old and going "What the f*ck happened to my life."

It's a feeling you don't want to know.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 04:05 PM
Can't believe some of these prices people were/are paying. Back in the day, a OZ was in the $15 to $25 range. Hell you could get a "quarter elbow" of real decent weed for $50 to $75. Nowadays, I can get an OZ of good commerical for $50 to 75 if I go down to NC. Very high quality, up to $300 an OZ. Some of the prices people pay now a days, is unbelievable.
 

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quote:

I advise anyone who has not tried it it, to stay away from it...for the good of your own life. Being a "True" Pot Head is not a good thing.If you let it...it will kill your self confidence, dreams and desires...your life will go by in a blur and you will be 50 years old and going "What the f*ck happened to my life."

It's a feeling you don't want to know.


I agree completely ODR .... it robs you of your ambition and zest for life. Steady use
over years means you are muddling along on this earth ... doomed to never reach your
potential. I gave it up years ago as my kids got older and were beginning to feel that
"peer influence" themselves to indulge. They know my pretty wild history as a child of
the early '70s ... and I've tried to lead them by example and have honest talks with
them about the overall negative experience that I think pot leads too.

I have at least one old buddy who actively smokes with his teen son. I'm all for bonding..
... but I think that is pretty unwise.

By the by ... the way I remember it back in 1970 when I
first started fooling with it... a lid was worth $20...it was a full
baggie and was apx. an ounce but not weighed. This was
Mexican dope... eventually Colombian came around and that
is when the price escalations seriously began.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 04:31 PM
Different strokes ... er, tokes - for different folks!

No, it's not like cannabis has Vitamin C, or anything. No, it's not good for you. Or is it?

"... kill your self confidence, dreams and desire"? Wow! When I catch a little buzz (and it's really not very often - maybe once every 6 months or so), I find myself either grabbing a paintbrush or a guitar, maybe even sitting down to do some creative writing. I certainly enjoy music (recorded or live), and sharing the experience with some kind and like-minded folks.

I can't speak for crosstownbar or ODR, because I have never met these guys. I have known some people in my life who were just idle-types to begin with. Some of these folks did over-indulge (alcohol, pot - any number of substances), but their short-comings in life had to do more with their personalities than it did with the substance.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of alcohol, which is cheap and legal and has destroyed some people who were very close to me. I do not give temperance lectures, though. The way I look at it - it's your body and your life. Feel free to make choices that do not affect other folks.

If I ever hear of a law proposed that mandates that EVERYONE should be made to smoke pot, I'm gonna protest the living hell out of it! So don't let your failed dreams and desires rain on my parade - okay?

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 05:23 PM

The reason I added that is i'm not going to glorify the use of it, especially if some young person may read it...i'm not going to influence anyone to try it.

I really don't give a "HAPPY" what anyone else reads from it...I'm speaking from my own experience...and if somebody can learn from it...then thats okay with me.

[Edited on 3/11/2007 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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  posted on 3/11/2007 at 06:57 PM
The key word for me has always been "moderation." I came out of a crowd for whom "how are we going to get high today" was the most important thing on everybody's mind. That's bad news regardless of your substance of choice (or enslavement).

But, for a well-adjusted adult pulling his or her own weight, providing for his or her family and taking care of their responsibilities - you want to indulge every couple of months, every couple of weeks, maybe? Have a great time!

 

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  posted on 3/12/2007 at 10:05 AM
TopD, do you have any ideas about what ahppened around 81 that caused the drought? It was the same way here is Ga. We were able to get this crap we called "Diesel Dope" that everyone said came from a load brought in that was confiscated by FDLE and dowsed with the fuel in an attempt to make it useless but someone went back later and dug through to parts of the pile that wasn't soaked and sold it. It was nasty and one smell of it turned me away from it even though it was all there was at the time. Then the "Sins" came....yeeeooowwee!!! If I remember right most of it was grown in Fla but we could get it from Cali at a much higher price. I agree, it was then that all of the exotic stuff went away. I remember the long glass cigar looking viles with the rubber cork in the top with oil, really good hash for cheap, Alc Gold but THE best I ever, to this day, have polluted my lungs with was Columbian Red. It was "DON'T LOOK AT ME" herb. It made me feel like something was pushing down on my forehead and all I wanted to do was hide somewhere and be alone. Up to that point I bragged that they didn't make an herb that I couldn't handle. That changed my attitude. Wow! Oh... the memories.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2007 at 10:11 AM
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but what is/was a lid, a dime bag and a nickel bag?


well, i was told that a lid mesured out at 3/4 of an Ounce.

a dime bag was 10 bucks, and from what i can guess was about a 1/4 ounce back in the day. a nick was probably an 1/8th.

nowadays, you dont hear of lids too often, and dimers are only two or three j's at best.....and a nick is about enough to put in your bowl.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2007 at 10:13 AM
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When the keys arrived in the USA, they were fluffed up by separating the buds, stems and seeds. This separation process was always called, "breaking up a brick."


i've heard of people taking the seeds and stems, throwing them in a food processor and using them for "fluff"

 

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TopD, do you have any ideas about what ahppened around 81 that caused the drought?


Well, I don't know if the marijuana trade was that well-organized, but looking back at it from a somewhat cynical point of view, it could very well have been an orchestrated move to jack the prices way up. Who knows?

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  posted on 3/12/2007 at 10:17 AM
Good guess and you're prob right cause we all know dog gone well it wasn't because of a problem of getting it here. :-)

 

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