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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 05:46 PM
I know that everyone on here is totally nuts about the ABB. I also reckon that 90% of you are probably US based.
I don't think the US fans on here really appreciate the anticipation, the sheer excitement that people like me and my brother (and other fans from Europe and further afield) feel about seeing our favourite band.
We spend a lot of money to come over to NYC to see the Beacon concerts.
We are constantly amazed by people in the audience who spend the entire evening talking at the top of their voices! (You can hear them on any Insant Live or Archive.org recording)
Don't get me wrong, we'll holler and whistle after a solo or at the end of a song but the constant talking at the Beacon drives me nuts!
We saw two shows this year- 23rd and the 26th. At the second show we had 3 fat guys sat behind us who spent the whole evening talking about how Dickey was way better than Warren or Derek. Everyone has their opinion. but FFS take it outside to the bar or the street. If you don't want to listen to the band why buy tickets?
I've flown over here to hear the best band on the planet not some fat fck yacking all night!!
Ironically these people suddenly go quiet when we're clapping and cheering at the end of the gig, when we're trying to get an encore or two.
I've mentioned this before but I think a certain section of ABB fans are spoilt, they can see the band 2 3 4 or more times a year. They don't realise just how special it is for fans like us from over the pond to see Gregg and the boys.
SO SHUT THE FCK UP!!

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 05:54 PM
Relax. Those 3 guys weren't real fans. They're just there to get drunk, possibly puke and tell there friends at work about the fawking awesome show they caught last w/e, "dude"! Concert surroundings are a crap shoot. Sometimes you draw nice, easy people around you, sometimes you don't. Ya can't control what ya can't control. Don't know what country your from but their are plenty of moron soccer fans in Europe that do nothing but screw things up for other fans. It's not just the Beacon or American fans.

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 06:14 PM
I think brucegz should shut the f*ck up personally.........
 

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 06:21 PM
"...I don't think the US fans on here really appreciate the anticipation, the sheer excitement that people like me and my brother (and other fans from Europe and further afield) feel about seeing our favourite band..."

Heads up, Euro folk...

Gregg Allman & Friends are looking at a very real possibility of coming to Italy and other European locations later this year.
Gregory tells me this is a first for him, as he has never been there before.

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 06:26 PM
Hopefully the local Euro **** s will shut up.

Just like the US ones.




































I agree though, we sat in front of this drunk chick in Toronto in 03.

She kept leaning over into our row, spilling beer on my daughter, all the time yelling "I love Dickey Betts".

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 08:53 PM
I am a New York native who has seen the Bros. at least a dozen times since '99 and I gotta tell ya man,I absolutely appreciate the concerts.I drive my whole family insane from the moment I get the dates that tiks go on sale!!! All day long I just can't stop myself from yappin' about the band,the shows,the songs,the fans etc.Then after I go ,for the next two weeks I can't seem to keep myself from telling everyone I meet about what a great time I had and how I can't wait for the next Run! So I must disagree with you about American fans not being as anxious and excited about these great concert experiences.
By the way ,I am sorry that you had a couple of dudes behind you that were bothersome to you , but what does their weight have to do with anything you said.I don't think it was nice to point out that it was some "Fat Guys".Maybe they have medical problems or are struggling to lose weight.Don't you think they already know that they might be overweight? They don't need you to point it out to everyone.I hate all discrimination.It's just not cool.
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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 09:37 PM
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I know that everyone on here is totally nuts about the ABB. I also reckon that 90% of you are probably US based.
I don't think the US fans on here really appreciate the anticipation, the sheer excitement that people like me and my brother (and other fans from Europe and further afield) feel about seeing our favourite band.
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You couldn't be more WRONG about the true ABB fans. Fans on this web site have been posting their anticipation and excitement since Christmas. I am personally thrilled to be going to see them at the Beacon next week. I don't think anybody could be more excited than me since this is my first time at the Beacon. I truly love this band with all my heart and I'm sure most of the other fans here do too. Common courtesy does seem to be missing from crowds these days. What happened in Europe a couple of years ago at the soccer games scared me to death. There are jerks all over and they sometimes become drunken jerks and spoil things for others.

I am really sorry to hear about your bad experience at the concerts. It is really too bad that happened. Remember not all of us live in New York. People save their money all year to get to the Beacon run.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2007 at 10:53 PM
I am 43 years old, and have been going to concerts all over the USA, including ABB, since I was about 18 in 1981.

While it is a crap shoot, I've noticed some trends. It seems to be a lounder more talker audience:

* Any New York City Venue
* The cheaper the booze
* The more expensive the tickets
* The better the seats
* When a "loud" band plays a "slow" song.
* During opening acts.

Just one reason I tend to go for lawn seats at "shed" shows. Folks in the lawn seem more quiet, and I can always move if I need to. Talking during shows annoys the hell out of me. I can never imagine paying $50 or more for a show. Going through all the hassle to get to the show. And spend the show gabbing! Why can't they wait until after the show!

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 05:54 AM
unfortunately that kind of behavior has become the norm not the exception... and it's all over not just New York...for most of us it's all about the sheer love of the music and the feeling of family and tradition...for others it's just another place to drink and act up...
 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 08:41 AM
I think culture something to do with this also.

In Wembley, UK in 1972, I saw the Grateful Dead play there. Much of the audience sat politely in their seats, applauding where necessary. A small group of 'embullient' brothers and sisters from across the Atlantic where dancing, hootin' and hollerin' and having a grand old time. Fast forward to Syracuse NY sometime in the early 80's I saw the GD - the whole place was thundering and rocking to the vibe. It was the good old Grateful Dead after all...

I grew up in England and moved to the US in the 80's. I have seen concerts on both sides of the pond. I think the English are more restrained in expressing their enjoyment generally whereas the Americans tend to be more open. I don't condone that obnoxious yakking through concerts, but in my experience of some 30 odd years of concert going, it has always been there and always will. I tend to move if it really bothers me which can be difficult, nowadays I tend to try and shut it out and attempt to concentrate on the music. I've been exposed to plenty of rude yakkers at UK concerts also. Knebworth was always full of that....

I love the fact I can take my kids to a sports game here and not be too concerned with the 'football hooligan' mentality that I have experienced in UK.

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 09:27 AM
I think this guy is right. I havent been to an ABB concert in NYC, but I can tell you that in South Florida this sort of thing is rampant. We attended the fantastic Satriani G3 show a few days ago, and it was one of the worst crowds I had ever seen. The crowd practically ruined last years Clapton concert for us as well.

This mate makes very valid observations. But its not the ABB fans he is talking about; he is talking about the load of posers and asses that show up to every single concert. They seem to have Adult Attention Deficit Disorder!

This is more of an observation on our society than of true music lovers and I agree with him100%: Stay Home You Posers!

 





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I know that everyone on here is totally nuts about the ABB. I also reckon that 90% of you are probably US based.
I don't think the US fans on here really appreciate the anticipation, the sheer excitement that people like me and my brother (and other fans from Europe and further afield) feel about seeing our favourite band.
We spend a lot of money to come over to NYC to see the Beacon concerts.
We are constantly amazed by people in the audience who spend the entire evening talking at the top of their voices! (You can hear them on any Insant Live or Archive.org recording)
Don't get me wrong, we'll holler and whistle after a solo or at the end of a song but the constant talking at the Beacon drives me nuts!
We saw two shows this year- 23rd and the 26th. At the second show we had 3 fat guys sat behind us who spent the whole evening talking about how Dickey was way better than Warren or Derek. Everyone has their opinion. but FFS take it outside to the bar or the street. If you don't want to listen to the band why buy tickets?
I've flown over here to hear the best band on the planet not some fat fck yacking all night!!
Ironically these people suddenly go quiet when we're clapping and cheering at the end of the gig, when we're trying to get an encore or two.
I've mentioned this before but I think a certain section of ABB fans are spoilt, they can see the band 2 3 4 or more times a year. They don't realise just how special it is for fans like us from over the pond to see Gregg and the boys.
SO SHUT THE FCK UP!!

Rant over

Hey EuroGuy. Another difference between Us, and you across the Pond.
If we want to tell someone FU, we tell them to their face, not hiding behind a computer.
And, don't tell us how we feel.
I went to London last Yr to see Cream's reunion concert, and the crowd was nothing special in regards to exuberance. Quite civilized I would say...and this is a band that was gone for 30 years! That was the best you could muster?

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 10:48 AM
He's entirely right, it is kind of a joke, the lack of respect to the band and the fellow audience. People get wayyyy to effed up....

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 10:58 AM
...just completed my fifth show last nite--1 more to go---the music is wonderful,the people i meet from this site are fantastic,the weekend parties were special & felt like family,but the loud talking is out of hand--i actually may limit my shows from now on--the general rudeness & crass behavior--all a reflection of our rude & crass American society today---too bad.....

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 11:46 AM
I feel embarrased for the band when they're doing a quiet number. I want to hear the song, some people obviously don't!

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 11:59 AM
Last night was the first night I actually had to turn around and yell at 2 guys to shut the F up. I was fortunate enough to have great seats, and many times I gestured to them to shut up, as they talked, i mean yelled to each other nonstop the whole first set. They would just mimic my gestures and keep going. At intermission I confronted them (politely mind you) that turned in to a more heated discussion. Needless to say, didn't work well. They weren't even sitting in their own DAMN seats. Fortunately they were pushed to the aisle for most of the 2nd set.
You always get drunks at shows but in past years it had been young kids (teens, early 20's) that don't know better and can't hold their alcohol. I get that. This year every show it's been these 40 something plus guys Stumbling over themselves, piss drunk and rude. Very frustrating, but what are you going to do. Tone it out best you can and try not to let it impact the show for you. Easier said than done sometimes

 

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We are constantly amazed by people in the audience who spend the entire evening talking at the top of their voices! (You can hear them on any Insant Live or Archive.org recording)
Don't get me wrong, we'll holler and whistle after a solo or at the end of a song but the constant talking at the Beacon drives me nuts!


We saw two shows this year- 23rd and the 26th. At the second show we had 3 fat guys sat behind us who spent the whole evening talking about how Dickey was way better than Warren or Derek.



Rant over


This is one American fan that agrees with you on that, and it's not just the Beacon. I hate that crap. If you want to socialize go to a bar!

as for the second part about Warren and Derek. Those people are clueless and have probably never played guitar in their lives.

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 12:05 PM
...the sad thing is that these loud talkers are not only yuppie,corporate types---i've seen this rudeness in young,old,fat,thin,male,female.hippie,straight,etc.....that's why,hopefully,in the future,i'll do a weekend with all the good people from here & then hope moogis is up--the talking,yelling into cellphones,drunken stupid pukers,people checking the internet & yelling the news to buddies at the show,the daters,etc.....all part of our ADD society--can't sit,stand,or dance through a concert without distraction---yet,when i sat in a cool part of the theatre(3/30,3/22....) it was really fun,but the upper balcony,where i sat on 3/31 was yapper city!!

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 12:27 PM
I think speaking for most of us, the American fans are HONORED that the Euro and Asian fans travel such distances to join us in our celebrations and you make the parties and shows all the more special.

 

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We are constantly amazed by people in the audience who spend the entire evening talking at the top of their voices! (You can hear them on any Insant Live or Archive.org recording)
Don't get me wrong, we'll holler and whistle after a solo or at the end of a song but the constant talking at the Beacon drives me nuts!


We saw two shows this year- 23rd and the 26th. At the second show we had 3 fat guys sat behind us who spent the whole evening talking about how Dickey was way better than Warren or Derek.



Rant over


This is one American fan that agrees with you on that, and it's not just the Beacon. I hate that crap. If you want to socialize go to a bar!

as for the second part about Warren and Derek. Those people are clueless and have probably never played guitar in their lives.

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I also agree with the basic point of the original post, and it is not just the Beacon anymore. I find that at both concerts and sporting events people have a different agenda nowadays. But I am not afraid to tell them to go talk somewhere else. People most have too much disposable money nowadays, because they don't seem to be really into whatever they paid to go to-I think maybe they have gone to too many shows and sporting events, and now go just to party. I did find the Beacon crowd to be unexpectantly loud during the GA acoustic part of last year's shows.

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 01:32 PM
I saw Eric and Derek in Europe last year and was amazed at how polite the audiences were. They did not get up and leave their seats except in between songs and never yelled or whistled or shouted during the songs - just at the end when you were supposed to applaud. I thought it was very respectful to the music but I did miss the unrestrained emotional aspects of the american concerts. It's easy to see why we are considered loud americans...

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 01:35 PM
I guess I've been really lucky the past few years. Last year and this year , I read alot of reviews before the shows I attended and got a little unsettled at the negative posts about the crowd.

I took my wife to her first beacon show on Friday night and I was wondering on the way in if I'd have loud talkers or drunks near us or worse, someone say something inappropriate to her and I'd have no choice but to smash em in the face and ruin our night.

However.............we had nothing but the coolest people around us. Everyone into the show. A mom, dad and 2 teenage daughters in front of us, An old hippie couple behind us, a young hippie couple who when they felt the urge to boogie moved into the uncrowded aisle so the rest of the folks in the loge could still see. It was a great bunch.

There were a couple of guys who were pretty out of it but they ended up being totally cool also . One of them was missing bunch of teeth like a hockey player and my wife thought it was great that the guy sitting behind him looked like Mr. Howell from Gilligan's island, all decked out in a blazer and dress pants.. How many other bands have that spectrum of fans ?

Again, maybe I'm just lucky , but my concert experience was awesome.

Ohh..........and the Music was really great. Warren was feeling ill but he threw out a few solos that were worth the price of admission alone. That said........it was my privledge to see Derek take it to the next level. It was amazing. I also think Gregg's voice is in top form and all the guests added something special.

Can't wait to go again Thursday !

 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 03:26 PM
Love all the passionate discussion, but one thing that has not been mentioned. The Beacon has USHERS. It is their job to quiet unruly fans. Simply go to an usher and they can handle the problem or move you to new seats. No, they are not all perfect, but there have been ushers in theaters for centuries just for this purpose.
 

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 04:03 PM
As a local here, I have been goin' to the beacon every year since 1996. Over that time, my brother and I have learned the ways of the beacon but the crowd murmur at last nite's show 3.31.07 was the loudest its every been. we could only surmise as the following, much less drinking over the years(at set break, you can actually wash your hands in the sink due to the absence of urine and vomit) and with the new dolan regime, smoking is there but very discreet. I guess if the crowd is not drinking and smoking, then they are talking...

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  posted on 4/1/2007 at 05:05 PM
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Shaddup Brad! Now go buy me some tequila for next week YFF!

And make it the good stuff, no cheap ass tequila!

[Edited on 4/1/2007 by brucegz]

 

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