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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 02:41 AM
Got mine today. Pulled it out of the mailbox just before going to work. (why does that always happen when a CD shows up?)

After a loooooong night at work I come home and listen to it. Actually I'm listening to it for the 2nd time right now.

1st the good...

On the 1st listen I plugged in my cordless headphones since I wanted to really crank it, but its late at night and didnt want to wake anyone up. Statesboro and Trouble No More are good, and close to the Fillmore versions. . But track 3, Dont Keep Me Wondering, had something really REALLY tasty going on with Berry's bass. Different than anything I've heard before on that song. Not sure what was different, but it rocked!

You Dont Love Me was 26 minutes of awesome. Similar to Fillmore but longer jams. Very VERY sweet.

Liz Reed and Whipping Post are as good as you would expect, with the ending of WP drawn out like on Fillmore East, but not the same. Very "muscular" playing from Dickey and Duane.

Overall a very hot night of music!

But...

Now the bad.

Sound quality might be the worst of all the archives, except for the 1st 4 tracks on SUNY. Nothing on here that bad at all. No stereo seperation at all, and through the headphones everything is pushed together over to one side. Someone new to the ABB might not know when Duane is playing and when Dickey is playing. Some parts are better than other parts. NONE of it is "unlistenable" at all, but just not great sound quality.

Of course these are very old tapes, as we all know. I'm sure that whoever worked on them worked absolute miracles to get it this good!

But now back to good news...

I'm listening to it right now a second time, only through the speakers of the computer. It sounds a lot cleaner through the computer. Much "easier* listening. (but that funky *something* from Berry's bass on Dont Keep Me Wondering was completly lost through the little speakers.)

I guess it just depends on how you are listening to it. Through my headphones I would give it a C- grade. Through these speakers maybe a B+ Your mileage may vary, as they say.

Overall a wonderful set from the ABB in the peak of their "early" years. A big THANK YOU to everyone who worked on this!

One note from the liner notes that are included. If I am understanding this correctly, this Commons concert at that park in Boston is one of the ABB free concerts they did back then. Cool!

Enjoy!

"D"

[Edited on 4/7/2007 by D28guy]

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 04:46 AM
It's an interesting point on the sound of the disc.

As I understand it, the original source tapes were mono, which would have had all instruments and sound frequencies come right through the centre (ie. no difference between left and right speakers).

When you listen to it, it's clear that the tapes have been specifically EQ'ed by Skip, to create a simulated stereo sound - the left channel carries the treble-y instruments (guitars, cymbals etc.), with the right channel holding up the heavier end of things (bass, tom-toms).

How you perceive the balance of the sound across the two channels depends on your own ears and, to an extent, what you're listening to the CD on - on headphones or cheaper stereos, I would agree that it is easy to hear this CD as being left channel-biased; due to the poor bass response, you're not hearing the right channel to its full effect, and the music can sound unbalanced. On a decent-sounding system, however, with a reasonable distance between the speakers, the bass end comes through strong and there is the perception of a "stereo" sound.

This stereo effect is fairly subtle (there is not that much which can be done with a mono source tape), but it does add interest, to these ears anyway.

Of course, there are those who would have preferred a presentation in the original mono (similar to the sound of the American University CD) - as the saying goes, your mileage may vary...



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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 02:32 PM
Finally an honest review. Thanks.
 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 02:37 PM
Thanks for them reviews there

 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 03:02 PM
Picked mine up at the Beacon on Monday.
The performance is great and I didn't think that the sound was too bad. The only other archive release that I have is the American University and this one doesn't sound quite as good as that, but not too far off.

One thing though, did anyone else notice the flickering/static noise during pretty much all of Whipping Post? I'm assuming all copies are like that but wanted to make sure, it's pretty loud in the mix.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 03:18 PM
The problem i have with these releases is that they all seem to have the exact same setlist....the sound quality is also problematic...i have tons of instant lives which i love in large part because they are so well recorded for the most part..since i own dozens of live allman brothers shows im holding out for some unearthed recordings that feature some different songs if they exist at all..i do realize that early on they had a limited set of songs to draw from and that they played the same sets for the most part but im hoping someday something will surface that is a bit different....that is part of why i love hearing the band play new and different covers when i see them live...
 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 03:22 PM
Paul,

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"As I understand it, the original source tapes were mono, which would have had all instruments and sound frequencies come right through the centre (ie. no difference between left and right speakers).

When you listen to it, it's clear that the tapes have been specifically EQ'ed by Skip, to create a simulated stereo sound - the left channel carries the treble-y instruments (guitars, cymbals etc.), with the right channel holding up the heavier end of things (bass, tom-toms)."


I know what you mean about Skip. The man is beyond words incredible with what he does. I have the 9-16-71 Warehouse New Orleans bootleg. I was told that its a mono recording that Skip worked on. After listening to it I would have sworn it was a stereo soundboard! I emailed the guy that sent it to me asking "Are you sure this isnt soundboard?" Honestly, when listening...even through headphones...I hear stuff in both ears. A cymbal crash to the left, a roll from Butch in the right, etc.

He emailed me back and assured me its an original mono analog source. He basically just said that Skip "worked his magic" on it.

And THEN I read on a thread somewhere else how slow and tedious the process is! Literally creeping along the tape inch by inch. I wouldnt be surprised if this new archive was practically unlistenable before Skip go it where it is now.

Skip is just amazing.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 03:26 PM
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"One thing though, did anyone else notice the flickering/static noise during pretty much all of Whipping Post? I'm assuming all copies are like that but wanted to make sure, it's pretty loud in the mix."


Its that way on mine too.

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 03:31 PM
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The problem i have with these releases is that they all seem to have the exact same setlist....the sound quality is also problematic...i have tons of instant lives which i love in large part because they are so well recorded for the most part..since i own dozens of live allman brothers shows im holding out for some unearthed recordings that feature some different songs if they exist at all..i do realize that early on they had a limited set of songs to draw from and that they played the same sets for the most part but im hoping someday something will surface that is a bit different....that is part of why i love hearing the band play new and different covers when i see them live...


While that's true, part of the beauty of the original band is that they didn't play any song even remotely the same way twice...there may be a lot of Whipping Posts out there, but they are all different in their own way, and that's pretty cool. Even You Don't Love Me. There's a lot of those floating around but each one is vastly different from the other. The American U. Archive is like 15 minutes. The new one is over 26. That's 11 minutes of new music right there...

Check out the 18 minutes Liz Reed on the SUNY show. That one is quite a bit different that the 12 minute version on Fillmore...

I'd do yourself a favor and pick up all these archive releases. There's something new one each one

 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 04:00 PM
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part of the beauty of the original band is that they didn't play any song even remotely the same way twice...there may be a lot of Whipping Posts out there, but they are all different in their own way, and that's pretty cool. Even You Don't Love Me. There's a lot of those floating around but each one is vastly different from the other. The American U. Archive is like 15 minutes. The new one is over 26. That's 11 minutes of new music right there...

Check out the 18 minutes Liz Reed on the SUNY show. That one is quite a bit different that the 12 minute version on Fillmore...

I'd do yourself a favor and pick up all these archive releases. There's something new one each one



So true, and it shows at the same time how transient the fan base is -- one of the continuous knocks on the 1989-99 band is that "it was the exact same setlist, night in and night out" -- while I'm not sure that's true to begin with, among the shows I'm familiar with from that version of the band, the Liz Reed from Great Woods Aug. 1994 is quite different from that of the Warfield Theatre from that year (May 22 show), or from Louisville in April (I think) of 95 (the one with numerous guests). Of course the songs changed too as new musicians like Jack, Otiel, Derek etc. came into the fold -- but the point is, what they were doing in the 90s was no different from what they were doing in the 70s with Duane & Berry as far as songs commonly to be found on setlists sounding different from gig to gig. One of the Beacon shows from 98 I have on cassette is a stunner -- the Dreams on there is so good. Dickey takes a solo and it fits in so well with the slide guitar that Jack plays.
Now that band has gone in the direction of bringing new stuff, especially covers, to the table and I think that's great too -- but some will always get a bit antsy when people knock Dickey and the previous lineup because of repetitive setlists. THAT IS THE ORIGINS OF WHERE THIS BAND COMES FROM -- traveling -- taking in the sights -- talking about music and the next town they're going to -- what the previous gig was like and how they could do it differently or better. The fact is that, to their credit, the post-2000 band still does that -- just look at how different the 2005 versions of Egypt are from Mansfield and Atlanta.
Personally I don't think it would be such a bad thing to tighten up the setlist a little, reduce the number of covers and try going back to the way it used to be done.
I love the ABB.



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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 04:07 PM
I liked it. Sound quality was good I thought, considering. save for Whipping Post.

The set list is yet again, the same as any Duane era recording for the most part.

I may not get another Duane era archive because I feel like I'll reach for the Fillmore gigs before this. Same setlist, same versions for the most part. Yes there are differences but, I don't know, there are more definitve versions of this band so I'm going to take a take it or leave it attitude the next time around.


 

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  posted on 4/7/2007 at 04:44 PM
I really appreciate all the effort that goes into researching and working on these. I also feel an obligation to support the band's efforts so that it remains economically feasible for them to release these archival shows. That said, I will pass on this for some of the reasons others have stated, that I will probably pull out other Duane era shows over this one. I will purchase the two Wanee shows when they are released, and hope for another early era show (Merriwhether Post '79)
 

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  posted on 4/8/2007 at 08:09 AM
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Paul,

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"As I understand it, the original source tapes were mono, which would have had all instruments and sound frequencies come right through the centre (ie. no difference between left and right speakers).

When you listen to it, it's clear that the tapes have been specifically EQ'ed by Skip, to create a simulated stereo sound - the left channel carries the treble-y instruments (guitars, cymbals etc.), with the right channel holding up the heavier end of things (bass, tom-toms)."


I know what you mean about Skip. The man is beyond words incredible with what he does. I have the 9-16-71 Warehouse New Orleans bootleg. I was told that its a mono recording that Skip worked on. After listening to it I would have sworn it was a stereo soundboard! I emailed the guy that sent it to me asking "Are you sure this isnt soundboard?" Honestly, when listening...even through headphones...I hear stuff in both ears. A cymbal crash to the left, a roll from Butch in the right, etc.

He emailed me back and assured me its an original mono analog source. He basically just said that Skip "worked his magic" on it.

And THEN I read on a thread somewhere else how slow and tedious the process is! Literally creeping along the tape inch by inch. I wouldnt be surprised if this new archive was practically unlistenable before Skip go it where it is now.

Skip is just amazing.


It is amazing what Skip did with this tape - I wrote the liner notes off a copy that Skip had not worked on yet, and the difference from that tape to the final product is amazing - I know people want the best sound quality possible, and given the condition of the source recording, Skip delivered, big-time!
JL


 
 


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