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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 10:31 AM
Hey everybody. I have always been a fan of Robert Johnson's music. I was taken by the legend of how he sold his soul to the devil. And I was admittedly disillusioned by his "influence" on Clapton, the Stones & Zepplin, but to name a few.

I have recently found out though that Robert Johnson had a son named Claud (Johnson), who in turn has a grandson named Steven, who is a Church Elder at The Straightway Ministries Church in Mississippi. He has teamed up with Rory Block, blues slide guitarist & singer, who performs Robert Johnson's music more true than anyone I have heard before (and not to include Son House or Muddy Waters), and they will be touring with the Church choir as "DOWN AT THE CROSSROADS BLUES MEETS GOSPEL".



It is my understanding that Steven Johnson preaches before each of the RJ tunes Rory performs, & sheds some unprecedented light, fact & collected truth on his grandfather's life & death.

Rory Block & Claud Johnson


Some recordings of Rory doing Robert Johnon tunes:

http://www.roryblock.com/Pages/Page%20Links/Lady%20%26%20Mr%20J%20Tracks.ht m

 

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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 10:43 AM
This is coming to Louisville, KY on 8/16.

I'm not sure if I'll be able to attend. But I would like to

 

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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 10:44 AM
Ever see the movie? Thanks for the info too.

Winning guitar solo from Crossroads movie

 

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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 11:40 AM
Check out the film: The Search for Robert Johnson by John Hammond, very moving and probably the most accurate film about him.




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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 12:42 PM
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Ever see the movie? Thanks for the info too.

Winning guitar solo from Crossroads movie
That 1985 Hollywood movie clip has nothing to do with Robert Johnson.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2007 at 12:44 PM
the movie does

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 08:50 AM
Ditto on 'playallnites' comment that John Hammond's "Search for Robert Johnson" is the only credible piece of work that gets close to the legend/reality of R.J. Also, wasn't there a Broadway--or 'off Broadway'--play....essentially a one-man performance about Robert at some point in time?

And for more 'inspiration'....(?) ...does anyone remember seeing the "Touched By an Angel'' episode that was essentially the (Real) "Crossroads'' legend retold....where the guy wanted to be a blues singer, was gonna 'sell his soul'....etc, etc. ??? KEB MO played the "Angel of Music'' and appeared thru-out the episode. Seems like there was another 'music-celeb' or two in the show as well and "TESS"--who was a jazz/blues singer in her early 'real' days sang a couple of pretty good tunes as well. I remember that at the time I was expecting 'cornball' and got quite a good show that nite.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 08:56 AM
Agreed on the John Hammond Jr. documentarey.

Didn't Robert Jr. Lockwood claim to be the son of Robert Johnson? I believe I saw somewhere that the movie "Crossroads" was loosely based on the lives of Robert Jr. Lockwood and Johnny Shines.

 
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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 09:17 AM
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Agreed on the John Hammond Jr. documentarey.

Didn't Robert Jr. Lockwood claim to be the son of Robert Johnson? I believe I saw somewhere that the movie "Crossroads" was loosely based on the lives of Robert Jr. Lockwood and Johnny Shines.


Robert Jr Lockwood is the stepson of Robert Johnson. I don't know enough about him to start making claims, but from what I have heard he was not taught how to play by RJ. He played country blues fingerpicking style on an electric 12-string Guild.

The Blues Documentary series done for PBS (12 DVD's?) by Scorcese has been regarded as a great collection of blues facts, done through performance & interviews.

There was also some footage of a guy playing slide from the thrites without audio that many thought may have been RJ. It was shown to the "authority" at the time- Robert Plant & Jimmy Page (?) who could not definitively say. A group of music scholars watched the footage, looked at the chords being played by the musician, & attempted to closer analyze his face, & concluded it was not him. However they were not able to say who it was.

I like the idea that Robert Johnson was a more complex figure than what the myth would have us believe. The segregation & poverty of the early twentieth century, as well as the Depression, is never given much consideration with regard to his career, in my opinion.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 09:22 AM
another decent RJ movie is the documentary "Hellhounds on my Trail"

Mule performs in it.

I got to meet the filmmaker at the AFI showing.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 10:03 AM
Saying the movie "Crossroads" was loosely based on the "legend" of Robert Johnson is like saying the "Titanic" is loosely based on my career in music, Randy. Lol! I haven't seen "Hellhounds On My Trail" but the "Search For Robert Johnson" has to be the definative pseudo documentary on the mythical figure. I have heard one of the Rory Gospel Tunes and it is quite good, but ... as always ... the ol' DA, Chris Charles, (which stands for Devil's Advocate unless of course you ask my wife and friends) has to put a spin on things ...

I find it interesting that Robert Johnson's grandson puts a presong perspetive on the tunes since neither he nor his father knew Robert Johnson. But ... It's a great way for both Rory and the Church to make some money ... and I'm sure the program will be quite good. For those that are interested I've broke down and checked out Escaping The Delta (Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues) by Elijah Wald from the library. This book is fairly controversial in that it destroys or attempts to destroy many preconcieved notions on the blues. Although I am far from through reading it, I have found it to be the most enlightening book I've ever read on the subject. Basically what the book says is that while Robert Johnson was at best a marginal perfomer/artist/musician during his time, through various twists of fate Robert Johnson became the quintessential Bluesman which was basically a creation of some marketing strategy. The book is a great read and an absolute must for any would be blues lover or music history fan of which everybody here would gladly fall into that category.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 10:19 AM
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There was also some footage of a guy playing slide from the thrites without audio that many thought may have been RJ. It was shown to the "authority" at the time- Robert Plant & Jimmy Page (?) who could not definitively say. A group of music scholars watched the footage, looked at the chords being played by the musician, & attempted to closer analyze his face, & concluded it was not him. However they were not able to say who it was.
The clincher that 100% proved it is not Robert Johnson was seeing a movie poster in the background of that footage for a film not made and released until a few years after the death of RJ.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 10:29 AM
My dad just read a book about Robert Johnson, and if I remember correctly...

He said RJ was poisoned??

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 11:14 AM
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My dad just read a book about Robert Johnson, and if I remember correctly...

He said RJ was poisoned??


That is the most plausible theory as to how Robert Johnson died, although who can say for sure? They are not exactly sure where he is buried and so much of his live has become mythological.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 11:19 AM
Thanks for your answer!

Pop gets things mixed up sometimes, but he said he read that there was a white woman in the joint he was playin, and RJ offered her his handkerchief, and it dit'n go over too good with the "good ol' boys".

Who knows for sure, but we really respect him around here, and have this pic hangin in our livin room:



[Edited on 7/25/2007 by babyroadwarrior]

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 10:12 AM
David 'Honeyboy' Edwards was with RJ the night he died, talked to Honeyboy many times about it.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 10:32 AM
Hey Dan, So what did Honeyboy tell you?

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 07:39 PM
'Honeyboy' relates in Hammonds' "Search For RJ" that Robert was poisoned and have seen other interviews with him where he assures the same. Others familiar with the story all tell the same thing. The guy that reportedly did it was still alive at the time of the filming.....mid-90's I believe(?) Honeyboy actually states that Robert died from 'lack of (doctor's) attention..." Many rural Black folks in those days couldn't afford to visit a doctor and/or were often turned away....He laid ill before passing for a couple of days....

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 09:15 PM
anything having to do with Rory Block is a must see

everytime she comes to the old Opera House in Winters, Calif....Robert Johnson seemed to have a legacy...being that his output of material pales in comparison to his influence.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 04:09 AM
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another decent RJ movie is the documentary "Hellhounds on my Trail"

Mule performs in it.

I got to meet the filmmaker at the AFI showing.




Who does this documentary and where cam it be found? Looks good.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 07:35 AM
http://www.mininova.org/tor/590669 if you're one of those .... naughty people .

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  posted on 8/11/2007 at 09:02 PM
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One thing stood out when I talked with him. He feels that RJ IS buried at the Mt Zion church graveyard. He said that back in the day it would've cost too much to transport the body to the second site where many feel he is also buried. I visited the Mt Zion gravesite probably in 1992 or so. Its near Morgan City, Miss. Mississippi John Hurt is buried just up the road in Avalon, but I missed that.

A popular poison of the day was melting moth balls and adding that to a drink, Naphthalene being the active deadly ingrediant. RJ's 'barking like a dog' and drooling all is also consistant with organophosphate poisoning, which happens to folks that breathe/drink fertilizers and pesticides.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 09:45 AM
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I have recently found out though that Robert Johnson had a son named Claud (Johnson), who in turn has a grandson named Steven, who is a Church Elder at The Straightway Ministries Church in Mississippi.
I hope these people are who they say they are and are not misleading people for the almighty dollar. In God we trust everyone else pays cash!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 09:34 PM
Just finished reading Escaping The Delta - Robert Johnson and the Invention of the Blues. It pretty much is a must read for any Blues fans out there. It presents some pretty convincing evidence out there for exposing quite a few myths and many "believed" facts for what they are - some record company or "historians" hype. There are also quite a few artists I'm not familiar with mentioned that I need to check out. Quite a few popular performers during the 20's, 30's & 40's that got lost in the shuffle to rewrite history for the whites.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 10:58 PM
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