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  posted on 7/30/2007 at 07:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

Sources: Celtics, Wolves closing in on deal

By Marc Stein
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Updated: July 30, 2007, 8:10 PM ET

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KG Trade Talk Resume with Celtics

The Minnesota Timberwolves and Boston Celtics, who nearly completed a blockbuster Kevin Garnett trade before the June draft, resurrected those talks in recent days and advanced to the verge of a megadeal Monday afternoon, according to NBA front-office sources.

A Celtics official went so far as to confirm to the Boston Globe's Jackie MacMullan (also an ESPN contributor) that a deal was "in place" as of late Monday afternoon.

Multiple sources said the team includes two assets Timberwolves general manager Kevin McHale has coveted: Al Jefferson and Theo Ratliff's expiring contract.

It's believed that the tentative agreement also calls for the Celtics to also ship youngsters Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and Ryan Gomes to Minnesota, along with a future first-round draft pick and the return of a first-rounder that the Wolves surrendered in the Wally Szczerbiak-Ricky Davis trade in January 2006.

In return, Garnett ends a 12-year association with Minnesota by backing off his well-chronicled refusal to play in Boston. That took this deal off the table in June at the last minute. But McHale and Boston general manager, Danny Ainge, former teammates, revivied the deal on Sunday night.

Celtics spokesman Jeff Twiss told ESPN.com's Andy Katz on Monday night that there is "nothing in place for an official trade" and that a trade, if completed, would not be presented to the league office for review before Tuesday at the earliest.

Among the details holding up completion now are ongoing discussions between Garnett's camp and the Celtics on a contract extension and the nearly $5 million of a $6.75 million trade kicker that Garnett would be forced by salary-cap rules to waive if the Celtics don't add any other players to the deal.

Stein: Math study hall
As a deal sending Kevin Garnett to the Celtics nears, you will hear and read more about the trade bonus in Garnett's contract -- more commonly known as a trade kicker -- and how it could impact Minnesota's forthcoming deal with Boston. Marc Stein explains the math involved in the megadeal. Story

Garnett effectively blocked the Celtics' first attempt at trading for him by making it clear, through agent Andy Miller, that he would opt out of the final year of his contract (worth $23 million) and leave the Celtics via free agency in the summer of 2008. Had it gone through with the original trade anyway, Boston would have potentially been parting with the blossoming Jefferson for a one-year Garnett rental.

But Garnett is now said to be amenable to the move, after the fiercely loyal 31-year-old learned how far along the Wolves were in negotiations with Boston in June and with the Celtics responding to the breakdown of its initial pursuit by trading the fifth overall pick in the draft to Seattle for All-Star shooting guard Ray Allen.

Expensive as it would be to employ a trio of All-Stars -- especially since Garnett is eligible for a four-year extension from his new team worth an estimated $116 million -- Celtics management has made the commitment to stray into luxury-tax territory for the opportunity to team Garnett with Allen and franchise mainstay Paul Pierce in an Eastern Conference for the taking. The Celtics would be expected to contend for an NBA Finals berth right away if the trade goes through, no matter what they put around that trio, after Cleveland advanced to the Finals in June with not even a clear-cut second star next to LeBron James.

To get Garnett now would be an even bigger coup for the Celtics, given that they've added Allen and since they can no longer include the No. 5 pick. McHale has a longstanding fondness for Jefferson and sources indicate that he has been angling for some time to retrieve the first-round pick Minnesota sent to Boston in the Szczerbiak deal. But Minnesota badly wanted that No. 5 pick as well, which ended up going to Seattle in the Allen trade, enabling the SuperSonics to draft Jeff Green.

Lone Wolf?

It's been said that Kevin Garnett has been loyal to a fault by continuing his career with Minnesota. While you contemplate this, here's a look at active players who have spent the most consecutive seasons with one NBA team:
Most Loyal of Ballers Player Team Seasons
Kevin Garnett Timberwolves 12*
Kobe Bryant Lakers 11
Tim Duncan Spurs 10
Adonal Foyle Warriors 10
* 927 career games with Wolves

Miller has not returned messages seeking Garnett's up-to-date stance on Boston but told The Boston Globe on Monday: "There are serious discussions in place ... Part of the discussion that is taking place is addressing those issues as well as others to see if the destination makes sense for all parties. Everything is part of the overall picture as to how to bring this to a conclusion or go in a different direction."

If not quite a verbal commitment to the Celtics, Miller's statement to the newspaper has to encourage Boston compared to what he told ESPN.com last month when the first round of Wolves-Celtics talks were made public. "If a trade [from Minnesota] were to happen," Miller said at the time, "that's not a destination that we're interested in pursuing."

Garnett has said for years that he doesn't want to leave his beloved "Sota," as he calls it, consistently refusing to push for a trade even with the Wolves missing the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. But Boston's cause might have been helped by the increasing possibility that becoming a Celtic or returning to Minnesota after he was so vigorously shopped are Garnett's only options.

ESPN.com reported in June that Garnett would be hoping for a trade to the Phoenix Suns if he did have to leave the only team he has ever played for. His reasons, according to sources: Garnett would prefer to play in a warm-weather city on a team with championship potential if he's forced to relocate. Another big factor: Garnett and Steve Nash have become good friends over the past few years, starting in 2005 when Garnett was one of the first players in the league to call Nash and congratulate him on his first MVP trophy.

Phoenix, Golden State and the Los Angeles Lakers all joined Boston in making hard trade pushes for Garnett before the June 28 draft. Dallas also expressed serious interest despite its inability to realistically join the chase until after July 1, when the Mavericks could again manufacture at least one cap-friendly contract to offer the Wolves.

The Suns, though, have apparently dropped out of the bidding, unable to make a deal work financially and unwilling to part with Amare Stoudemire. Golden State's chances, meanwhile, took a hit when a potential three-team Garnett trade involving Charlotte collapsed on draft night, with the Warriors deciding they couldn't wait on a maybe and proceeding instead with the trade of Jason Richardson to the Bobcats.

Sources nonetheless insist that McHale has had the Celtics at the top of his list from the start, mainly because of his fondness for Jefferson and Minnesota's natural desire to move Garnett out of its conference. But some teams also believe that McHale's comfort level negotiating with Ainge and corresponding reluctance to deal with other teams was another key factor. The former Celtics colleagues remain close and frequently watched games together during the recent NBA Summer League in Las Vegas.

The Wolves made the determination near the end of the playoffs that they would seriously entertain the prospect of trading Garnett for the first time, according to team sources, with Garnett being informed of that change in philosophy directly by owner Glen Taylor.

Taylor announced in mid-July that the organization was no longer looking to move the NBA's 2004 MVP, telling the St. Paul Pioneer-Press that Garnett's "preference was that we not trade him." Yet just days earlier, one rival executive insisted to ESPN.com that he knew "for a fact" that Minnesota remained intent on trading Garnett before the 2007-08 season starts.

Garnett rejected the initial move to Boston even though it would have put him in the easier-to-conquer East and even though he is friendly with Pierce. But he was undeniably stung by the near-trade, sources said, which only increased his growing frustration with McHale and Taylor and left him bracing for a trade ever since.

"This would be a major trade that would affect a franchise and those in the organization, so you better be sure [he wants to be there long term]," Miller said last month after squashing the original trade.

 

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  posted on 7/30/2007 at 07:31 PM
With Garnett,Allen, & Pierce this team can,particularly in the east,make an impact....but it would all come down to chemistry & a willingness to share the ball....well.the Knicks still have little to fear LOL

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 09:18 AM
Im a huge Celtics fan and I don't like it at all.

Although I understand the need to get one of the most storied franchises in history back into contention, and the need to get Pierce 'his due', to give up great young players in Jefferson, Green, etc. AND TWO 1st rd picks, you are really compromising your future. Alls I can say is, KG better bring home that trophy, or this deal was a bust.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 11:24 AM
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Im a huge Celtics fan and I don't like it at all.

Although I understand the need to get one of the most storied franchises in history back into contention, and the need to get Pierce 'his due', to give up great young players in Jefferson, Green, etc. AND TWO 1st rd picks, you are really compromising your future. Alls I can say is, KG better bring home that trophy, or this deal was a bust.




Seems like Danny Ainge is playing the old Redskin's George Allen card,
sacrifice the future for winning now.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 01:23 PM
......a NY Knicks pastime resulting here,in no present,no future---i wish we had 1 of those 3 compared to the selfish limited players on the knicks---with a few exceptions---but not one near complete player---i actually,as a long time celtic hater(i am a NEW YAWKER),find myself rooting for these new Celtics to play well---Garnett seems like & has acted like a decent guy---he deserves to be in the thick of the playoffs again & in the east he has a shot!!!

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 02:12 PM
Now that the deal is official, here is my take on it:

The East is clearly weak, possibly the weakest conference in NBA history right now. If LeBron James (with no supporting cast at all) can make the Finals, the Celtics are probably in a pretty good position to do so. However, once they get there, I think that they will get demolished. Here's the problem (and the difference between the Celtics and the Suns / Spurs): the Celtics have no point guard. Their only listed player at the position is Rajon Rondo, who is inexperienced. The Suns also have a big three, obviously Nash, Stoudemire, Marion, but the key player there is Nash - he makes everyone around him better because of his passing. The Celtics are lacking that true passer (and don't try and say that Pierce will take over PG, no chance).

However, the one thing the Celtics do have going for them is they have 3 incredibly desperate All-Stars competing together for a title. I figure this team will be together for 2 - 3 years, so that gives them that much time to win a title. All of the big three will realize that this is their best team that they will ever play on and will compromise some scoring to help the team. Still, in the end, they won't be able to win the championship with Doc Rivers coaching. Step one needs to be firing the Doc - he's one of the most overrated coaches in the history of the universe. If Kobe is indeed on the move to Chicago, Phil Jackson may be out of LA, which could bode well for the Celtics. If not, Lenny Wilkens is available, as is Jeff Van Gundy (I think).

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 02:17 PM
The problem in NY is not Doc Rivers

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 03:26 PM
No, the problem in NY is Isiah Thomas, Doc Rivers is the over-matched coach in Boston.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 03:29 PM
should be interesting to see these 3 play together
 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:32 PM
Vin--agree with all ya said till the coach---Phil,Riley,Nelson(not for a championship,but a darn good team),Larry Brown if(& that's a BIG IF) he can behave like a normal human being....these are the coaches to build for a quick trip to the finals,outcome notwithstanding....Lenny who i know(played for ...another time) & love is a superb coach but he may be able to get excited if these guys can play as a TEAM & if they are mature & receptive to his coaching---otherwise Lenny will not fight resistant players--he'll do his best but there will be no fire in the belly...
Van Gundy---NO...PLEASE...yes,he is a good guy with the players,manages the relationships well, & motivates them to hustle on defense....but,he has ZERO idea as to how to run a basic or simple offense,has no clue how to improvise those offenses during games,allows all his big men to go "away" from the basket to shoot(Ewing,Yao),can't figure out the simplicity of breaking the zone,doesn't know how to utilize half court traps,etc.....---would be a excellent assistant---prepares well

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:34 PM
...left out many other outstanding coaches in my rant....we are talking celtics....right...huh...

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:40 PM
I wonder how Allen, Pierce and Garnett will fare in terms of endurance during the course of a long NBA season. With that much salary tied up in three guys the depth of the bench will be pretty slim pickins.

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:41 PM
good point...

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:50 PM
The Celtics Bench Includes:
Leon Powe
Tony Allen
Allen Ray
Glen "Big Baby" Davis
Brandon Wallace
Gabe Pruitt
and Brian Scalabrine

Yes, the bench could be better. But its not terrible. Just a lot of Rookies/Second Year Players (5 in total on the bench)

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 04:59 PM
...not a strong becnch...

 

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  posted on 7/31/2007 at 05:16 PM
The bench isn't terrible, but it's young and not the best equipped to help out those three during a stretch drive. The team still needs a point guard and they don't have a lot of trading pieces or cap room. Despite the talent, which is enough on its own to guarantee a playoff spot - especially in a really bad division - it's still possible that this won't be a huge success.

And Allan Ray was cut last week, so he's not on the bench anymore.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2007 at 07:27 AM
allan ray??? ray allen??

 

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  posted on 8/1/2007 at 10:47 AM
Huge Celts fan, Huge Boston fan. Love the trade! DOn't know how they did it but had to be done, worth a shot for a few years in a horrible conference. Remember arguably their "best" bench player Tony Allen is coming off a torn ACL 7 months ago and is no where near healed. I don't think he'll be a factor until 2nd half if at all. They'll add a veteran point guard and a Big IMO. Not a huge name at either position (no money) but someone "servicable". Should be fun to watch at a minimum. Finally looking forward to my NBA package this year, the first in many, many years.

 

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