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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 04:14 AM

Is Obama an enlightened being?
Spiritual wise ones say: This sure ain't no ordinary politician. You buying it?

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

Friday, June 6, 2008

I find I'm having this discussion, this weird little debate, more and more, with colleagues, with readers, with liberals and moderates and miserable, deeply depressed Republicans and spiritually amped persons of all shapes and stripes and I'm having it in particular with those who seem confused, angry, unsure, thoroughly nonplussed, as they all ask me the same thing: What the hell's the big deal about Obama?

I, of course, have an answer. Sort of.

Warning: If you are a rigid pragmatist/literalist, itchingly evangelical, a scowler, a doubter, a burned-out former '60s radical with no hope left, or are otherwise unable or unwilling to parse alternative New Age speak, click away right now, because you ain't gonna like this one little bit.

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Barack Obama isn't really one of us. Not in the normal way, anyway.

This is what I find myself offering up more and more in response to the whiners and the frowners and to those with broken or sadly dysfunctional karmic antennae - or no antennae at all - to all those who just don't understand and maybe even actively recoil against all this chatter about Obama's aura and feel and MLK/JFK-like vibe.

To them I say, all right, you want to know what it is? The appeal, the pull, the ethereal and magical thing that seems to enthrall millions of people from all over the world, that keeps opening up and firing into new channels of the culture normally completely unaffected by politics?

No, it's not merely his youthful vigor, or handsomeness, or even inspiring rhetoric. It is not fresh ideas or cool charisma or the fact that a black president will be historic and revolutionary in about a thousand different ways. It is something more. Even Bill Clinton, with all his effortless, winking charm, didn't have what Obama has, which is a sort of powerful luminosity, a unique high-vibration integrity.

Dismiss it all you like, but I've heard from far too many enormously smart, wise, spiritually attuned people who've been intuitively blown away by Obama's presence - not speeches, not policies, but sheer presence - to say it's just a clever marketing ploy, a slick gambit carefully orchestrated by hotshot campaign organizers who, once Obama gets into office, will suddenly turn from perky optimists to vile soul-sucking lobbyist whores, with Obama as their suddenly evil, cackling overlord.

Here's where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

The unusual thing is, true Lightworkers almost never appear on such a brutal, spiritually demeaning stage as national politics. This is why Obama is so rare. And this why he is so often compared to Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr., to those leaders in our culture whose stirring vibrations still resonate throughout our short history.

Are you rolling your eyes and scoffing? Fine by me. But you gotta wonder, why has, say, the JFK legacy lasted so long, is so vital to our national identity? Yes, the assassination canonized his legend. The Kennedy family is our version of royalty. But there's something more. Those attuned to energies beyond the literal meanings of things, these people say JFK wasn't assassinated for any typical reason you can name. It's because he was just this kind of high-vibration being, a peacemaker, at odds with the war machine, the CIA, the dark side. And it killed him.

Now, Obama. The next step. Another try. And perhaps, as Bush laid waste to the land and embarrassed the country and pummeled our national spirit into disenchanted pulp and yet ironically, in so doing has helped set the stage for an even larger and more fascinating evolutionary burp, we are finally truly ready for another Lightworker to step up.

Let me be completely clear: I'm not arguing some sort of utopian revolution, a big global group hug with Obama as some sort of happy hippie camp counselor. I'm not saying the man's going to swoop in like a superhero messiah and stop all wars and make the flowers grow and birds sing and solve world hunger and bring puppies to schoolchildren.

Please. I'm also certainly not saying he's perfect, that his presidency will be free of compromise, or slimy insiders, or great heaps of politics-as-usual. While Obama's certainly an entire universe away from George W. Bush in terms of quality, integrity, intelligence and overall inspirational energy, well, so is your dog. Hell, it isn't hard to stand far above and beyond the worst president in American history.

But there simply is no denying that extra kick. As one reader put it to me, in a way, it's not even about Obama, per se. There's a vast amount of positive energy swirling about that's been held back by the armies of BushCo darkness, and this energy has now found a conduit, a lightning rod, is now effortlessly self-organizing around Obama's candidacy. People and emotions and ideas of high and positive vibration are automatically draw to him. It's exactly like how Bush was a magnet for the low vibrational energies of fear and war and oppression and aggression, but, you know, completely reversed. And different. And far, far better.

Don't buy any of it? Think that's all a bunch of tofu-sucking New Agey bulls-- and Obama is really a dangerously elitist political salesman whose inexperience will lead us further into darkness because, when you're talking national politics, nothing, really, ever changes? I understand. I get it. I often believe it myself.

Not this time.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 06:13 AM
I gotta wonder Hop; all this stuff you post from the SF Gate - is it aligned with what you think/believe, or just some red meat to see how people react? Just my $.02, but most of it is so much west coast, SF, stereotypically looney left that it borders on the comic.

It's almost always dangerous to mix politics with the class of emotions that touch on religion or spirituality. Why is it that a country founded on religious freedom keeps wanting to incorporate it in some manner as they determine who to vote for? Will we never learn? People looking for politicians to fulfill these needs are desperate for someone to fill a hole in their lives. How many repeats of history do we need to learn that weak-willed/weak-minded people following a charismatic leader usually doesn't add up to something positive.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 06:38 AM
Dam Hop, youre going to fish this pond clean with articles like this.

 

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Is Obama an Englightened Being? No. Is he a "gifted politican"? Perhaps. But that's for time to tell. In any case from a foreign policy perspective, especially in the Middle East, he's not going to be all that different form George W. Bush. Anyway here's an editorial from today's Washington Post that talks about Obama's comments to AIPAC the other evening and how they compare/contrast to both Bush's and McCain's views in the Middle East. One question remains, if Obama was to win the election, would his approach to Iraq be one of "keeping his promises to the Left", and withdrawing American forces, on a promised timetable (consequences be damned), or would he actually take a more measured, practical/pragmatic approach and based American troop withdrawal on events that are actually happening in Iraq?

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Mr. Obama's Middle East
After all, he doesn't see the region much differently than President Bush does.

Saturday, June 7, 2008

IN THE HEAT of the Democratic primary campaign, some on the left were inspired to believe that Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) offered a far-reaching transformation of U.S. foreign policy, "the most sweeping liberal foreign-policy critique we've heard from a serious presidential contender in decades," as one particularly breathless article in the American Prospect put it. Yet, when Mr. Obama opened his general election campaign this week with a major speech on Middle East policy, the substantive strategy he outlined was, in many respects, not very much different from that of the Bush administration -- or that of Republican Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). That's not a bad thing; rather, it's a demonstration that there is a strong bipartisan consensus about America's vital interests in the Middle East and that the sensible options for defending them are relatively limited.

Liberal notions of a foreign policy shakeup sometimes begin -- and end -- with a cooling of U.S. support for Israel. But in his speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a lobbying group, delivered hours after he clinched the Democratic nomination, Mr. Obama was so forceful in backing the military, economic and territorial interests of the Jewish state that he later had to offer a clarification, pointing out that his endorsement of an "undivided" Jerusalem did not mean he ruled out Israeli-Palestinian negotiations over the final status of the city.

Mr. Obama was equally hawkish about Iran. Hedging his much-discussed offer to meet personally with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- now the encounter would be with "the appropriate Iranian leader at a time and place of my choosing, if and only if, it can advance the interests of the United States" -- Mr. Obama fully embraced the Bush administration's view that "the danger from Iran is grave." He said "we will use all elements of American power to pressure Iran," and he pledged, "I will do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon -- everything."

What would he do? In essence, Mr. Obama promises an improved version of the Bush administration's three-year-old strategy of offering, in conjunction with European allies and Russia, economic and political favors to Iran in exchange for an end to its nuclear program and threatening it with sanctions if it refuses. Mr. Obama would have the United States join the Europeans in having direct discussions with Tehran, and perhaps he would agree to bigger incentives. In exchange, he would seek European and U.N. Security Council support for far tougher sanctions than the Bush administration has obtained -- such as a ban on Iranian gasoline imports, which is probably the strongest measure available short of war.

The gap in Mr. Obama's Middle East policy remains Iraq. Mr. Obama has used his opposition to the war to distinguish himself politically from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and now from Mr. McCain. Yet, in doing so, he has become unreasonably wedded to a year-old proposal to rapidly withdraw all U.S. combat forces from the country -- a plan offered when he wrongly believed that the situation would only worsen as long as American troops remained. Remarkably, only a sentence or two about Iraq appeared in Mr. Obama's AIPAC speech, and advisers say he may visit the country in coming months. That would offer him the opportunity to outline a strategy based on sustaining the dramatic reduction in violence recorded this year. No, the left wouldn't like it, but it would be in keeping with Mr. Obama's pragmatic approach to the rest of the region.



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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 08:57 AM
Would it be so bad if he was? I read this article with as jaded an eye as I could muster, ready to dismiss it out of hand, but found myself wondering "why not?" WHY NOT? Why can't there be that kind of person at this seemingly critical time in our country's evolution and the world's. Would it kill us if he really is something special?

I don't pretend to know nearly enough about him to say, and I'm sure most will dismiss this, but if it's true, even if in a very different sense, are we willing to open our eyes and hearts and accept it? Are we willing to accept the kind of change he could bring? Could he be more than just "Not another Republican"?

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Would it be so bad if he was? I read this article with as jaded an eye as I could muster, ready to dismiss it out of hand, but found myself wondering "why not?" WHY NOT? Why can't there be that kind of person at this seemingly critical time in our country's evolution and the world's. Would it kill us if he really is something special?

I don't pretend to know nearly enough about him to say, and I'm sure most will dismiss this, but if it's true, even if in a very different sense, are we willing to open our eyes and hearts and accept it? Are we willing to accept the kind of change he could bring? Could he be more than just "Not another Republican"?


Why not what? Possess some sort of different powers or skills than virtually anyone else? There's the problem right out of the chute: you'd have to judge him differently based on some silly belief that he is different in the first place. Big mistake that....

How about we just judge him and everyone else by "normal" standards. Like what they have actually done and will do. I know, it's a radical idea for people who think the President is this all powerful individual, in whom they should invest their heart and hopes for the future.

How sad for these people. They're always the ones most easily pandered to, most easily swayed by words instead of actions, and most often screwed over without any idea of why (or even how badly).

No thanks. Give me people who think for themselves, separate emotion from reason when it comes to public policy and voting, and look to what they can do for themselves to better their future instead of believing some politician can give them something better.

 

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GAfan, I think you hit on the problem that many have with Obama, he isn't just another Republican. He wants to go down a path that few politicians have the balls to go down. He wants to try new things, find new ways of doing business. The unknown scares people. People tend to resist change. They are comfortable in whatever they exist in now, even if it isn't the best way for them to live. We have become a country of McDonalds, where everything is the same whereever you go. For some reason, people feel comfortable knowing that a Big Mac in New York is exactly the same as one in California. We want our political candidates to be the same way. This is why I think a third party cadidate will never be viable in this country.



He keeps saying that, but has he offered up any new ideas?, It is all just rhetoric so far. Maybe he
is waiting for the general campaign to bring this forth, But I have not seen any substance to it yet
Just lip service.

So far he just looks like another Centrist Democrat. not someone with revolutionary ideas

I hope I'm wrong on this. and he really can change things.

I am not convince.

to me the only Candidate that has put forth some ideas for change from this corporate dominated government
is Nader.




 

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I think a lot of people around here are STILL living in 1968 or maybe 1976, and THINK that Obama is some kind of a JFK/MLK re-incarnated. and are to stupid to be able to know the difference between rhetoric and real action. Obama is a poseur to that legacy, just like George W. was a poseur to the Reagan legacy. Obama is just a media and DNC creation for those who need to have "smoke blown up their asses" to feel good, and to have something to BELIEVE in. For someone like Hophead to post an article about how Obama may be an "Englighten Being" shows how deep in the BULLSH*T, that many have already bought into this "Obama pheomenom". Obama sounds good until you starting getting to the details, and that's where it's starts falling apart. Bottom line, he's NOT the "Real Deal". Let him get elected President, and let's see how good a job he's does. See how far his chrisma and intellect (sarcasm implied) get him (I'm guessing not very). My guess he'll be another Jimmy Carter, when it's all said and done.

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He keeps saying that, but has he offered up any new ideas?, It is all just rhetoric so far. Maybe he is waiting for the general campaign to bring this forth, But I have not seen any substance to it yet Just lip service.

Hey now Wotty -

Here is Obama's Blueprint for Change: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf.

It's detailed and rather long, so there is also a summary posted here: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I think you will find it quite enjoyable reading -- educational and perhaps even inspirational ...




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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 03:41 PM
Suck on a bong, Hophead.
 

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Suck on a bong, Hophead.

Excellent repartee, Fred!

Actually, I haven't used a bong in more than 25 years, though it might do YOU some good.

 

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You know, you sound like CUH. Can't be, he was banned and he respected everyone too much to come back under a new name.

Hey now OTF -

What makes you think CUH was banned?

 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 04:21 PM
Whoa!! That's some serious 190 proof Kool-Aid you got there Hophead. Be careful. I hear drinking that stuff can make you go blind

 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 04:27 PM
You know Obama really is a "Madison Avenue" creation, and to go back to an old hippy term from back in the day, how "PLASTIC" can that be? Obama IS the plastic man.

btw, CUH and sibwlkr are one and the same. CUH WAS banned, but sibwlkr will carry on his legacy without "going over the top" (hopefully) and getting his ass banned. btw, Hophead, I still got my bamboo bong from "72, and it gets a weekly workout. Aren't y'all glad I'm back? Admit it, y'all missed CUH. He may be "over the top" from time to time, but he's real.

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OTF, Hophead, and even you Squatch, hopefully none of us get so caught up into the political BS that if any of our paths ever crossed, that we would let that interfer with the the fact because of our love of the ABB and friendship made here on "Hittin the Web" that we couldn't find away to friendships and decency toward each other. We may bitch and moan about this or that politically, but beyond that we have more in common than we have different. Sometimes, that's a good thing to remember.
 

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I agree with Fujirich. Is Obama an enlightened being? Well, he is an intelligent person, and a person is a being, so.... As Rich points out, many Americans yearn to believe in something, and believing (hoping) someone can deliver us to the promised land is much easier than actual accomplishment.

I see Ronald Reagan in Obama. Not in his politics obviously, but in his ability to influence people. He is likeable and earnest, like Reagan, and many are drawn to him by his personality, even some whose politics might not usually lean his way. This is a valuable commodity to any candidate or President, and I'm watching to see if he can use his abilities to effect change as did Reagan.

Now the test is to see if elected, Pres Obama will surround himself with effective people like Reagan did. Like Reagan's politics or not(not!), his demeanor and cabinet brought about great change to a country yearning for it then, as now.

I think Obama will choose good people, as he apparently has done with his campaign, and will bring change by being a "great communicator" to influence legislative and executive outcomes. He is an able being, but not a super-human enlightened one. Alot of work awaits the next President.



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OTF, Hophead, and even you Squatch, hopefully none of us get so caught up into the political BS that if any of our paths ever crossed, that we would let that interfer with the the fact because of our love of the ABB and friendship made here on "Hittin the Web" that we couldn't find away to friendships and decency toward each other. We may bitch and moan about this or that politically, but beyond that we have more in common than we have different. Sometimes, that's a good thing to remember.



No problem here, Fred.

None here, either, Fred. I look forward to hoisting a cold one with you one day when we meet!

However CUH does not appear to be banned when I check the member record. What happens when you try your old login?

 

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I reluctantly get into the 'debate' (yeah right! ) as to whether or not BarryO is some sort of 'other being', given the proclivity of the previous posters to elevate Senator Omaba to a God-like status.

Brock proclaims him the second coming of Ronald Reagan. Until BarryO can speak coherently without a TelePrompter..........I don't think so.

OTF proclaims him 'not just another Republican'. (?!!!) And then goes on to state that his approach is somehow different, when upon examination of his rise to power speaks verbatim from the Chicago Democratic playbook. His linking up with Revko, Aires, Wright, et al smacks of 'same old, same old'. He got the Chicago Dem Party to invalidate his primary opponents with technicalities, not votes, then ran against a repub that resigned because of a messy divorce. I hear Credence's "Fortunate Son" playing.

I find myself agreeing with johnwott. Where is the substance? Are folks that easily swayed? Where are his bona fides? Where are his creds? Has anyone payed any attention to the past? And I'm not talking too far back. This seems to be a stretch for most, but can some of us here can recall the ABB supporting a candidate for Prez? Obama's campaign rhetoric is almost a carbon copy of Jimmy Carter's, and Carter had less stain than Obama.

Change? Hope? Carter ought to sue for plagiarism. For that matter, Bill Clinton too.


 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 09:39 PM
If he has to fill his own gas tank, he's enlightened.

 

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Tell me what Nader brings to the table. Tell me what he would be able to accomplish.


Single payer national health care (similar to the Canadian model)

Reverse the US middle east policy

Repeal Taft Hartley anti-union laws

adopt a carbon pollution tax

enforce anti trust laws - stop Big Oil collusion to limit refinery capacity - hit them with windfall profit taxes as penalty for
anti- competitive actions

work to end corporate Personhood.


Obama offers nothing like these ideas.


As far as acomplishing any of this, IT will be tough. First he has to get on the ballots. The amount of obstruction
for third party ballot access is staggering, but not unsurmountable. Their are a lot of young people out
on the streets collecting signatures.

The second problem is the corporate controlled media puts up ridiculous rules to keep third party candidates out
of the debates and limit access for their message. The corporations have bought the Democrats and Republican
Partys so they don't want anyone not already in their pocket in the race.

And if he does get elected , can he overcome the K street lawyers and lobbists that control the congress now.

Lots of questions and hurdles.


But I am tired of wasting my vote on corporate owned democrats and republicans that are driving this
country into the ground.


Obama says on his web page he doesn't accept corporate donations, but the DNC will for issue ads that
attack McCain. And they will want payback. Now that Obama has the nomination in hand the soft
money is pouring in to the DNC for his use in the general campaign.

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 09:48 PM
Is Obama an Enlightened Being?

No more than anyone who votes for him

 

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He keeps saying that, but has he offered up any new ideas?, It is all just rhetoric so far. Maybe he is waiting for the general campaign to bring this forth, But I have not seen any substance to it yet Just lip service.

Hey now Wotty -

Here is Obama's Blueprint for Change: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf.

It's detailed and rather long, so there is also a summary posted here: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

I think you will find it quite enjoyable reading -- educational and perhaps even inspirational ...




[Edited on 6/7/2008 by Hophead]


I like some of his ideas for education and farm policy

But his is far too weak on Corporate Crime and influence and weak with support for Labor.

Just another centrist democrat is wott I see.

 

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You know Obama really is a "Madison Avenue" creation, and to go back to an old hippy term from back in the day, how "PLASTIC" can that be? Obama IS the plastic man.

btw, CUH and sibwlkr are one and the same. CUH WAS banned, but sibwlkr will carry on his legacy without "going over the top" (hopefully) and getting his ass banned. btw, Hophead, I still got my bamboo bong from "72, and it gets a weekly workout. Aren't y'all glad I'm back? Admit it, y'all missed CUH. He may be "over the top" from time to time, but he's real.

[Edited on 6/7/2008 by sibwlkr]


Legacy? Please explain.


Also, would you explain why you know Obama will be a failure before he even gets elected? Specific terms, please.


By the standards people are seeming to hold him to , it is inevitable. Perfection is an unaitainable state and it seems that is what his followers are expecting and predicting. He's not the 2d coming that's for sure. He's a politician running for president of the United States.

 

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I find myself nauseous by the claptrap which began this thread. I don't want a messiah and I don't need a candidate to give me spiritual enlightenment. I find that in my faith, my community, my family and my love of music. I also find it in my love of the American idea. I want someone who can run this country effectively and keep me and my family safe. I don't think things are all that terrible right now. We all seem to be free to speak and have ideas. The economy is going through a rough patch but is still fundamentally sound. We are the strongest nation in the world by all measurements and standards and the future looks quite bright. I don't want someone whose going to change the world just help make it a little bit better. Is Obama that guy? I seriously doubt it but if he is its not because he is the new son of God or a spiritually enlightened being or on a higher plane or any if this insane nonsense. What the hell is going on here?

 

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  posted on 6/7/2008 at 11:15 PM
well you can't discount his obvious charisma

I agree with Crossroadblues comparison to Reagan. And Reagan used that to his advantage.
Gorbachev has said that it was a big factor in their face to face talks. As tough as Reagan's stance
was he could not help but like the guy on a personal basis.

and for all his failings most folks still like Bill Clinton.

Personalty and charisma are not negatives in these national campaigns.

 

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