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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 08:50 AM
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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:41 AM
"ttt" for the party of fear!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y9dfYZdlxo

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:19 PM
I haven't been a big fan of Olberman since he all but rode Hillary out of town on a rail during the primaries, but I admire how he will tackle unpopular topics and say things I've been thinking.

I'm so 9/11 weary that yesterday I heard something about it on the news and although I hate to admit it, my first thought was to wonder what day that was going to be.....it's totally surpassed a date on the calendar and turned into the Halloween of the right wing politiicos.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:22 PM
I watched :45 seconds of that video, that kind of stuff is the last thing I want to hear today. Can we rise above the politics of hating the other party for just one day Keith?


 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 12:59 PM
remember for a strong DEFENSE of our nation vote REPUBLICAN!!!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 01:04 PM
God Bless Rudy and George for there heartfelt actions and reactions during that time of crisis. Reagan restored DEFENSE back in the early 80's don't let your guard down the world is dangerous as ever.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 01:31 PM
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remember for a strong DEFENSE of our nation vote REPUBLICAN!!!


However, if you want to defend against reporters asking questions of candidates, voting Republican might not be the way to go this time around...

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 01:55 PM
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God Bless Rudy and George for there heartfelt actions and reactions during that time of crisis. Reagan restored DEFENSE back in the early 80's don't let your guard down the world is dangerous as ever.


What was it that they did exactly?

I dont remember seeing either one running into the burning towers.. or sifting through the remans.

Give me a break Bob.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 02:04 PM
Grabbing a bullhorn, Bush told the chanting, cheering crowd, "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked down these buildings will hear all of us soon."

In retrospect, he didn't actually say he was going to DO anything about it.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 02:55 PM
the question should be what didn't Rudy do he did everything he was there day and night hands on getting stuff done like a true leader. What did Bush do he went after the rat basdads and we caught a good bunch of them, got Sadam's ass too.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 02:58 PM
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If you're not reflecting on Bush's decision to invade Iraq today, you're ignoring a huge portion of the story. There is plenty of room in my heart to remember the victims of that day, even while my stomach churns over the thousands more who lost their lives as a result of our incompetent leadership in its aftermath. It's impossible to separate the two events anymore.


I respect your right to think, feel and say anything about the 9/11 tragedy, and Oberman for that matter. However, I for one think that we have enough days to discuss Bush, Iraq, etc and am not interested in the "Republican Bad, Democrat Good" mentality on the anniversary of September 11th, 2001. Forgive me for taking the day at face value.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:11 PM
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Fabuous, non-biased reporting there.


reporting?????

someone can't read where it says "special commentary"






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Olberman needs to be in an accident bad enough to where he can't open his pathetic mouth anymore.


my, aren't you just the nicest troll we have.

how 'bout taking issue with the facts of obermann's criticism

like when mccain claims he alone can get bin ladden?

I forgot, you already admitted to being a troll.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:32 PM
If I had been in charge, I woudln't have embarked on a course of action to scare the country into giving up a number of their civil liberties. And I would have concentrated the troops in Afghanistan until the terrorists were wiped out and not gone into a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq hasn't made us safer.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:45 PM
I don't mind helping either, however I've long felt if someone had thrown a punch at me, I'm not doing myself any good by going over and punching a bystander.

I can't think of anything other than sending troops to Afghanistan that was a response that actually was meant to secure this country.

Bush used fear to manipulate the country into going to war and managed to comingle the trade center attacks and Iraq in the minds of people to gain support. Blind patriotism and fear on the part of the country allowed him to succeed. People still have a problem understanding the war on terror is in Afghanistan....the war in Iraq isn't....or at least wasn't when Bush invaded.

[Edited on 9/11/2008 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:47 PM
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God Bless Rudy and George for there heartfelt actions and reactions during that time of crisis. Reagan restored DEFENSE back in the early 80's don't let your guard down the world is dangerous as ever.


Yes, Ronald Reagan did just that.

However, it would appear that we did let down our guard down & the administration was republican. I have always been amazed that we have blamed everyone under the sun for the attacks yet have not put any of the blame to Bush & his administration. They were charged with our National Security when they took office and obviously failed miserably.

 

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Again - what would YOU have done?


As President?
First I would have taken the oath of office seriously.
2nd, I would have only hired qualified individuals for all positions, not my dad's friends.
3- Taken responsiblity for failing to protect the american people.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 03:54 PM
Funny how Maconga asks, "what would you do?", and then when someone answers all he can say is "no, you wouldn't do that."

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 05:39 PM
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I don't mind helping either, however I've long felt if someone had thrown a punch at me, I'm not doing myself any good by going over and punching a bystander.

I can't think of anything other than sending troops to Afghanistan that was a response that actually was meant to secure this country.

Bush used fear to manipulate the country into going to war and managed to comingle the trade center attacks and Iraq in the minds of people to gain support. Blind patriotism and fear on the part of the country allowed him to succeed. People still have a problem understanding the war on terror is in Afghanistan....the war in Iraq isn't....or at least wasn't when Bush invaded.

[Edited on 9/11/2008 by bigann]


BigAnn, obviously, "gets it"!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 06:48 PM
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I must be missing the quote where he declares his intentions to unilaterally invade their country.


So would you just have said "Bah - he won't be any problem", and just let it go had you received information (right or wrong) saying that he had potential to use his WMD's on us? Again - he'd used them before!


The cart did come before the horse. Bob Woodward has written some fantastic books about the Bush Presidency, and the White House has let him with very little pushback or denials. People in the White House were talking about Iraq on 9/11. Cheney was very explicit about it. They were going into Iraq regardless of what the reason was.

As far as the paranoia you mention, I'll agree it was there, but I have other memories as well. I and many others were asking "What about Bin Laden?" and it was ridiculed as a Democratic talking point for those who didn't support the President, or those who asked that question were ridiculed with "the problem with you idiot liberals is that you think it's a law enforcement issue." Then came the calling people traitors that didn't agree.

I saw it all the same then and I see it the same now.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 06:56 PM
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Bless the people who actually had to run into those buildings. Bless the first responders and emergency workers and the litany of folks from all walks of life who helped out in the immediate aftermath. Those are the people who are worthy of our admiration and respect.



You can't think about this without thinking of those who put their life on the line to save their fellow citizens.

 

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Again - what would YOU have done?


As President?
First I would have taken the oath of office seriously.
2nd, I would have only hired qualified individuals for all positions, not my dad's friends.
3- Taken responsiblity for failing to protect the american people.




What would you done in the heat of the moment?


By doing the above mentioned things I would have been a better position to evaluate the aftermath of the events that occured on 9-11-2001.

The biggest problem is that George & his staff really had no clue as to what to do after the attack. He & the rest of the old guard jackals rushed into Iraq thinking that we would simply steamroll our way through, gain our American swagger back & everything would be just fine.... guess again... just like the Soviets in the 80's found out... nothing is going to be quick & easy... this war is killing our country... financially & psychologically. -Just look at our lame response to the Russia/Georgian situation... we don't have the financial/military or diplomatic clout to affect anything in terms of global politics... Thanks George

 

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The cart did come before the horse. Bob Woodward has written some fantastic books about the Bush Presidency, and the White House has let him with very little pushback or denials. People in the White House were talking about Iraq on 9/11. Cheney was very explicit about it. They were going into Iraq regardless of what the reason was.



This is true. To George Bush's credit he was skeptical and resisted these early calls. To his "downfall", as some would say, those people eventually won him over and he jumped in with both feet.

I still think it is better to think in the 'we' today and leave the 'us vs them' for another day.


 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:30 PM
What happened on 9/11 was a terrible thing....but how long are we going to continue to spend every 9/11 shrouded in sorrow using the day to score political points?

Everyone who died left behind families and friends who grieved and will continue to grieve for the rest of their lives, but are those deaths more worthy of commerating than the over 4,000 who have died since then? Or the first responders who have died since then? Or the countless others who have perished for any number of causes?

In a hundered years are we still going to be rallying to our own version of 'Remember the Alamo?'

I guess I can only stand so much sadness for one day for so long.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:45 PM
I do not mean to imply that you and people in the rest of the country were not affected by 9/11, but there are many people that this event changed their lives forever. And they still mourn their friends and family who lost their lives that day

Please don't misunderstand....I think grief is a private thing to be shared by those whose lives have been changed as you mentioned. I'm just getting weary of people who didn't lose anyone they cared about continuing to drape themselves in black crepe for political reasons. Each of us in our own way remember where we were the day it happened and the emotions that followed....I don't need hours of film reliving the event to remind me and I sure as heck don't need to see every politician running for dog catcher trying to cash in on my memories.

But that's just me. I could live the rest of my life without seeing another rerun of the Zapruder film.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2008 at 10:52 PM
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OK, I understand what you mean now. You'll have to forgive me. As I lived in New Jersey then, I am still deeply affected by it. Ask anyone from that part of the country and I think most of them will agree with me. It's hard to explain unless you went through it.


Exactly my point. And I know people like you who were and are still affected. I wouldn't presume to try to tell anyone who went through that 'I feel your pain'. I'm certain it's a very private and personal thing.

 

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