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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 01:29 AM
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I recently bought on CD the PET SOUNDS album. I know its reputation as a classic album, and I do like the songs. However upon reading the liner notes I was appalled to discover that this wasn't really a Beach Boys album at all.

Brian Wilson brought in session musicians (The Wrecking Crew), and Dennis, Carl, & Al didn't even play on it!! I know the production was great but it's more of a Brian Wilson solo "ego trip" more than a Beach Boys album. For that I feel that the entire album is a sham, as anyone can bring in outside musicians to make things "better." Of course the Beatles did this with SGT PEPPER but at least all the Beatles contributed genuine musical sounds and ideas to the record.

Anyone else who feel that PET SOUNDS is overrated?


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I'm confused by your post. Why do you think it's overrated? I see that you are appalled (??) that session musicians were used. I don't really get that, but... then, did you even listen to the album? From what you've posted, you bought it, read the liner notes, got appalled, and then decided to let everyone what you thought. Also, why is it a solo ego trip?

Pet Sounds was/is musically Paul McCartney's favorite album. He has vocalized this numerous times over the years. Didn't seem to bother him that there were session musicians. Other than that, I'm not sure that pop culture has deemed it as fantastic as you may have thought before you bought it. Have you ever seen it on best album lists and such?

In conclusion, I hope you're not saying that you're disappointed to find out that the band did not have all of their original members performing on an album and calling themselves The Beach Boys. (cuz we know where that will lead )

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 03:52 AM
I built a theramin when I was 14 because of Good Vibrations. First time I ever heard one. I found one at a hobby shop. One of my older sisters left me this album. I didn't listen to it until 1970, and really got hooked on it for awhile. I hadn't listened to it in about 15 years. I picked up a copy on CD about 5 years ago, and I've played it to death. It's one of my top 5 albums of all time.

 

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I'm confused by your post. Why do you think it's overrated? I see that you are appalled (??) that session musicians were used. I don't really get that, but... then, did you even listen to the album? From what you've posted, you bought it, read the liner notes, got appalled, and then decided to let everyone what you thought. Also, why is it a solo ego trip?

Pet Sounds was/is musically Paul McCartney's favorite album. He has vocalized this numerous times over the years. Didn't seem to bother him that there were session musicians. Other than that, I'm not sure that pop culture has deemed it as fantastic as you may have thought before you bought it. Have you ever seen it on best album lists and such?

In conclusion, I hope you're not saying that you're disappointed to find out that the band did not have all of their original members performing on an album and calling themselves The Beach Boys. (cuz we know where that will lead )


Confused, eh? Well, sometimes I don't know what I'm talking about when I'm writing!! However what's written is written. I just want some of your opinions so keep em coming!!

[Edited on 10/30/2008 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 08:23 AM
Saying Pet Sounds is overrated because it "wasn't really a Beach Boys record" is like saying Revolver is overrated for not sounding like Meet The Beatles.

Pet Sounds wasn't really a Beach Boys record, that is true. It is much, MUCH better

I could go the rest of my life without hearing "Surfer Girl" and the early Beach Boys stuff. I've never been a fan of that music, but Pet Sounds is a work of genius.

"I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" might be my favorite on the record. Such a soulful, personal song, and brilliantly orchestrated and arranged.

 
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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 08:39 AM
If anybody is interested, Mike Mills of REM also lists Pet Sounds as one of his all time favorites.
 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 08:40 AM
I don't always agree with the music critics but in this case they're pretty much right on...it's a fine album. I've had Pet Sounds in the player frequently the last several months and have thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 08:49 AM
I never thought it was as great as it's made out to be, but that it IS a great record.

All I ever needed to know about it was what Paul McCartney said: "I've often played Pet Sounds and cried. I played it for John so much it would have been difficult for him to escape the influence. What really struck me about it was the bass lines being incorporated into the melody. I went into a period of writing after that where I wrote the melody into the bass line." I quote from memory, but I know that is VERY close to Paul's exact words.

Does anyone really need more of an affirmation of Pet Sounds than that??????

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 09:44 AM
"Anyone else who feel that PET SOUNDS is overrated?"

No. You have to look at the period in which it was released. No rock or pop act had ever created such a sweeping musical statement. There have been many since and in our younger perspective, 40+ years on, the record doesn't seem as groundbreaking as it did when it was new.

SMILE on the other hand, the long lost Wilson follow up to PET SOUNDS, which finally saw the light of day a few years back is/was overrated. Hell, it's almost unlistenable.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 11:25 AM
Well, "overrated"?? It depends.

Remember, Pet Sounds didn't really fare all that well in the US when it was first relased...but, it was a smash in the UK. Once McCartney started singing its praises, then US fans started changing their tune about it.

I think it's a GREAT album...but, maybe it should've been credited to "Brian Wilson" rather than "The Beach Boys", though.

It's really tough to look at Smile being the masterpiece it was claimed to be considering that it was released out of context to when it was originally created. HAD it come out in '67/'68 it might've been looked on in a whole different light. But, being that it was finally released in 2005...it doesn't have the impact that all the hype was about. Which is the same basic argument RBK gives for Pet Sounds

[Edited on 10/30/2008 by chiliD]

 
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  posted on 10/30/2008 at 01:49 PM
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Well, "overrated"?? It depends.

Remember, Pet Sounds didn't really fare all that well in the US when it was first relased...but, it was a smash in the UK. Once McCartney started singing its praises, then US fans started changing their tune about it.

I think it's a GREAT album...but, maybe it should've been credited to "Brian Wilson" rather than "The Beach Boys", though.

It's really tough to look at Smile being the masterpiece it was claimed to be considering that it was released out of context to when it was originally created. HAD it come out in '67/'68 it might've been looked on in a whole different light. But, being that it was finally released in 2005...it doesn't have the impact that all the hype was about. Which is the same basic argument RBK gives for Pet Sounds

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Capitol was not enthusiastic about the Beach Boys moving away from songs about surfing and the beach. Consequently, they did not throw much into promoting the record. It amazes me that Brian has once again signed up with Capitol as they were not kind to him back then.

As for it being a Brian Willson effort as opossed to a Beach Boys effort, that was already the case. He wrote or chose nearly all their material with little or no input from the others. The others contributed what they always had- their incredible harmonies. As Pet Sounds "failed" and Smile collapsed, so did Brian. The others stepped up at that point and all their subsequent albums are group efforts, so to speak. The Beach Boys, IMHO, are rock and roll's most fascinating story

I tend to agree with Smile. I have an original bootleg and Brian's official effort. Not horrid, but not what I would call a masterpiece. Its "interesting" and I may like it better as time goes on.

 
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