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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:26 AM
That always seems to be the theme of the office going for a 2nd term. I can only hope that is true in 4 years. Right now, I don't feel that it will for my family, being middle-class, white, kid in college and high school, both myself and wife working hard to pay for tuition, insurance, food and mortgage, we don't fit anywhere in Obama's vision that I can see.

Who's tax dollars is going to pay for his 1.6 trillion dollar health plan? Who's tax dollars is going to bail out Wall Street? Who's tax dollars are going to pay for the so-called lower-class people who refuse to work and live off food stamps?

I am fairly confident it will be me and others in my demographic. It's the democratic way, especially in the south, take from the middle-class and give it to the poor who do not help themselves because the government will take care of them.

I really enjoy going to the grocery store every weekend and standing behind a 19 year ols mother with 2 or 3 kids buying a lot more food, and better quality, than I am while she is talking on her cell phone with designer shoes and fancy nails. Of course she has no cash, only the EBT card that my taxes are paying for. Yes, the southern democratic way of life.

Sorry for the rant, this is just the way I see the next 4 years for me, hoping for a change, but the track record is there. I hope to come back here in 4 years and post a topic that I am better off than 4 years ago. Fingers crossed.

On another note, thanks for letting me post some during this election in the Whipping Post, I have enjoyed reading the regulars on here, Ann, Otie, STexas, Blackhawk, PeteMan, David, etc.... I learned a lot and got a kick out of the debates. Lots of fun.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:51 AM
The good times, the bad times, not really defined by who's president.

the glass is half full, that's the way i look at things.

half full of beer, even better.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 12:32 PM
I really enjoy going to the grocery store every weekend and standing behind a 19 year ols mother with 2 or 3 kids buying a lot more food, and better quality, than I am while she is talking on her cell phone with designer shoes and fancy nails. Of course she has no cash, only the EBT card that my taxes are paying for. Yes, the southern democratic way of life.


That bothers me too and I think some things really do need to change to correct that problem but let me offer this insight. I have a friend who was doing well, had nice things, took care of her family and paid her taxes and then suddenly there was a divorce, child support and alimony rarely made it on time if at all and she was forced to seek assistance just to keep food on the table for her kids. She maintained the best she could so her children wouldn't realize what a bad time they were going through....and she paid for good food in her designer clothes with food stamps (they didn't have cards back then)

That assistance was enough to get her through until she found a job and got back on her feet. Knowing her story, I try to look at someone using assistance differently. There are chronic welfare recipients who need to be put to work if they're on the public dole....but public assistance has been a temporary saving grace for a lot of people.

And please, Wayne, don't stop posting here just because the election is over....we've got plenty of opinions about everything to keep you coming back.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 03:31 PM
Thanks Ann, I have been around this website since '96 or so, I'm not going anywhere. But I have to admit, it is hard to hang out in the WP!

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 03:54 PM
Personally, we're in pretty good shape...however....when the tax man cometh, and he will for more of us than many are going to believe, then I think we will be worse off than we are now.
Besides, the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010, that coupled with "the sacrifices most of us are gonna have to make"...doesn't bode well for us.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 04:01 PM
Wayne, I enjoy your point of view as well. Stick around!

I still hold onto the fact that all the tax talk made by Obama and McCain was campaign fodder. That's it. I think one of the cycles we need to break (the collective "we as Americans") is to maybe start paying attention to different things...for instance, tucked away from the front a few days ago was that the government is going to have to borrow $500 billion to come up with the $750 billion required for the bailout of institutions that made bad lending decisions to begin with.

Let's read that again.

The government is going to have to borrow $500 billion to come up with the $750 billion required for the bailout of institutions that made bad lending decisions to begin with.

With actions like these, perhaps we should have elected Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. ACORN already had them on the ballot...

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:40 PM
we're screwed.

either way, we were doomed.

Taxes shall rise.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 08:59 PM
Wayne comes in here with his heartfelt posts and thoughtful replies and I am just sick of it.

Here's hoping all Americans will be better off 4 years from now.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 10:29 PM
with all due respect to Wayne...and judging by the responses, much is due I wonder what the responses would have been if it were someone else that said what he did.

I AM going to pay (even more now...) for lazy welfare recipients and their food and healthcare and fancy nails and just like Wayne, I am fairly confident of it.

I too hope things get better in four years but I ain't bettin' the house on it...

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:06 PM
Everyone who feels they're going to be thoroughly screwed over by an Obama administration please step to the right? The rest of us are looking forward to someone besides Bush in the white house!

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:27 PM
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Everyone who feels they're going to be thoroughly screwed over by an Obama administration please step to the right? The rest of us are looking forward to someone besides Bush in the white house!


you may not have noticed but I haven't replied to you since you returned from your "identity change" but I'll make one concession.

I'm not on "the right". Why didn't you respond to Wayne like you just did?

What does that mean, "looking forward to someone besides Bush in the White House"? No matter who won, it'd be someone besides Bush. I know all you lefties are all caught up in the glee and glory of this "historic" (what's "historic" about it?) event and the Kool Aid is flowing like...well, Kool Aid but don't get too enthusiastic just yet, there's a long road to travel.

don't worry ann, your usual backers will be here soon....

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:32 PM
Actually, I could have as easily said step to the left....I honestly didn't mean 'right' as in politically right....just one of those things that was easily misconstrued. As for looking forward to someone besides Bush in the white house....duh....like I didn't know either candidate was going to replace him? I didn't like the way McCain ran his campaign and I surely didn't think Palin was good for the ticket, but I'd still be just as happy Bush wasn't going to be in the white house. Don't be so sensitive.

I'm just in a good mood and I don't want to argue.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:37 PM
I'm in a great mood myself and I'm not sensitive at all. I'm seasoned both in the world and on this website.

That's two concessions. I'm done with you.

Take care.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:39 PM
"I know all you lefties are all caught up in the glee and glory of this "historic" (what's "historic" about it?) event "


Barack Obama is African-American (half!), so he is the first African-American president. Joe Biden is the first Catholic VP. Those two "firsts" make it historic. If your point is that any election - indeed any event - is (technically) historic, you are correct. This is an example of quotidian usage; sometimes people use a term outside of its dictionary meaning with the understanding that other people know what they mean. We have lots of figurative langauge that has entered common usage like this; almost no one does a "ton of work," for example! So, when people say "historic," think of it as shorthand for "this is the first time in U.S. history" and you will know what they mean.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2008 at 11:40 PM
Darn man, you have to tell me what you're wanting if you're keeping count. I have no idea even what you even meant. You take care too.

 

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"I know all you lefties are all caught up in the glee and glory of this "historic" (what's "historic" about it?) event "


Barack Obama is African-American (half!), so he is the first African-American president. Joe Biden is the first Catholic VP. Those two "firsts" make it historic. If your point is that any election - indeed any event - is (technically) historic, you are correct. This is an example of quotidian usage; sometimes people use a term outside of its dictionary meaning with the understanding that other people know what they mean. We have lots of figurative langauge that has entered common usage like this; almost no one does a "ton of work," for example! So, when people say "historic," think of it as shorthand for "this is the first time in U.S. history" and you will know what they mean.


first African American....

Hmmmm, wait a minute now, I thought race had no bearing on this election? To me, it didn't. It was/is a man, a Democrat, running for and winning the presidency. It's called "historic" by many seeing the color of his skin when all the while, that wasn't supposed to be an issue. Thus, my quotes. First time an actor won, a Catholic won, on and on...it's inconsequential and diminishes the man's accomplishment as much as it enhances it because of his skin color. Am I making any sense? I hope you get my point, I mean no disrespect.

by the way, your post would fit right in at Bhawks's "there's just too many political threads" thread !!!!

very cool post.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 08:54 AM
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Wayne comes in here with his heartfelt posts and thoughtful replies and I am just sick of it.
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Made me laugh out loud David!

Let's put some Randall on the jukebox!

Talkin' 'bout a King Grand!

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:05 AM
Hey Wayne, I have been listening to Randall's newest CD and it is the sh1t. I'm a mess about it.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:30 AM
Goliath's name is David?

heh heh....

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:39 AM
No jokes about getting stoned.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:40 AM
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No jokes about getting stoned.


that's no joking matter

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:42 AM
Dont encourage him..

He is a known rat bastid

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:43 AM
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Hey Wayne, I have been listening to Randall's newest CD and it is the sh1t. I've messed in my pants about it.


 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:45 AM
Just a shart.

 

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  posted on 11/6/2008 at 09:47 AM
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Just a shart.


I hate when that happens

 

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