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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 12:56 AM
The most amazing video EVER !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgg2tpUVbXQ

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 02:22 AM
no
 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 02:34 AM
Do you believe in god ???

Yes, but...

Not in a Religous sense,

Spiritually... in the view that I don't need much assistance in determining right from wrong

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 02:50 AM
that is called a "conscience"

in the history of the "universe" of species, we're just the most intelligent and capable of the bunch. whats with the ridiculous thread too? sorry i responded, take that s##t to the whipping post.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 02:58 AM
Yes....his name....John Lennon

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 03:54 AM
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"Do you believe in god ???"



Absolutely.


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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 08:10 AM

Yes.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 08:45 AM
This country was founded on the basis of religion,"In God We Trust" stamped on all of our
currency, pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."

And yes I believe in god. Yet it's not Merry Christmas anymore, it's happy Holidays, it's not a christmas tree, it's a holiday tree. Taking the Christ out of christmas,does not make sense. If it was not for Christ ,there would be no christmas.

Check this out
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,461424,00.html
Anti-religion Sign Joins Nativity Scene, 'Holiday Tree' in Washington State Capitol


OLYMPIA, Wash. An atheist group has unveiled an anti-religion placard in the state Capitol, joining a Christian Nativity scene and "holiday tree" on display during December.

The atheists' sign was installed Monday by Washington members of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a national group based in Madison, Wis.

With a nod to the winter solstice the year's shortest day, occurring in late December the placard reads, in part, "There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

The foundation's co-president, Dan Barker, said it was important for atheists to offer their viewpoint alongside the overtly religious Nativity scene and Christmas-style holiday tree.

"Our members want equal time," Barker said. "Not to muscle, not to coerce, but just to have a place at the table."

The three displays, all privately sponsored, were granted permits from state groundskeepers to be placed in the Capitol's grand marble hallways.

The 25-foot noble spruce, officially called the "Capitol Holiday Kids Tree," is sponsored by the Association of Washington Business and tied to a charity drive for needy families. It's been a Capitol fixture for nearly 20 years.

Although nominally secular, the tree is clearly recognizable as a sign of Christmas: It's strung with lights, topped by a large golden star and usually surrounded by faux wrapped presents.

In 2006, a Jewish group sponsored a Capitol menorah, the candelabrum that marks Hanukkah. That prompted local real estate agent Ron Wesselius to propose a Capitol nativity scene depicting the birth of Christ.

The request was turned down, with state lawyers saying they didn't have enough time to wade through issues of government religious endorsement. Wesselius sued; his Nativity scene was installed in 2007 and again this year. No menorah is on display in 2008.

On Monday, the Nativity scene and atheist sign were installed alongside each other in a hallway between the state Senate and House chambers, separated by a large bust of the state's namesake, George Washington.

Asked whether he was bothered by the atheist display next to his Nativity scene, Wesselius said, "I think the Nativity scene will speak for itself."

But he added, "I appreciate freedom of speech and freedom of access. That's why they're in there, and hey you know, that's great."

For now, the atheist sign is a stand-in. The metal plaque meant for display was delayed by a shipping error, Barker said.

It will be two-sided, with a lengthy message on the main side, and "Keep State/Church Separate" on the back. Barker said that step is necessary because critics have sometimes spun around the group's other statehouse display, in Wisconsin, in hopes of hiding its message.



[Edited on 12/6/2008 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 09:49 AM
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This country was founded on the basis of religion,"In God We Trust" stamped on all of our
currency, pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."


"In God We Trust" was first added to paper currency in 1957, first on coins in 1861.

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html

"Under God" was only added to the Pledge in 1954.

Either way, why should an individual's beliefs be held because of what some earlier people did?

Christmas is a nice tradition though. Merry Christmas.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 09:53 AM
Sorry, I'm dislexic. I don't believe in Dog....

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 09:57 AM
who knows? 'didn't watch the video. But, if there is a God, his voice sounds simliar to the sounds that eminate from Derek Trucks' Guitar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:04 AM
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This country was founded on the basis of religion,"(quote)

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I believe it was founded on the basis of "freedom from religious persecution". That one could believe, or not believe, as one chose.

Christmas really is the most pagan of all our American holidays.

Merry Christmas!

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:06 AM
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This country was founded on the basis of religion,"In God We Trust" stamped on all of our
currency, pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all."


"In God We Trust" was first added to paper currency in 1957, first on coins in 1861.

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html

"Under God" was only added to the Pledge in 1954.

Either way, why should an individual's beliefs be held because of what some earlier people did?

Christmas is a nice tradition though. Merry Christmas.


Nice observatons, but it does not matter, it's on there. People can believe what they want, and I am not out to change anyone, regardless what you believe. I will pray for you though.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:08 AM
This country was founded on the basis of religion?
I have a few questions:
What is your favorite bible verse from the Constitution?
How many references to the Bible in the Declaration of Independence?
How may times is Jesus mentioned in either document?

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:18 AM
The majority of the founding fathers were not religious whatsoever, in fact they were trying to escape religious influence on government. There are numerous documented quotes from Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Paine, Franklin and Washington to name a few, stating so.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:23 AM
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This country was founded on the basis of religion?
I have a few questions:
What is your favorite bible verse from the Constitution?
How many references to the Bible in the Declaration of Independence?
How may times is Jesus mentioned in either document?


This is a discussion that will never end and I am not going to get it this. I can agree to disagree and that is fine with me. This is not a point to argue.
I have done my history lessons(US,world,biblical) well enough to know what is what and thats all I need ,
so have a nice Holiday Season, Uh I mean MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:35 AM
No

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:47 AM
I, too, have studied history. It's my favorite subject.
I'll answer the questions I asked: None, not once, ever.
I find this fascinating because precise communication was very important to our founding ancestors. Ink and paper were expensive and scarce in their days. Forethought in writing was the rule. The written word was the only means of long distane and enduring communication. In reading letters from that period, the thing that stands out is how carefully chosen the words were. The feelings of the writer were meant to be clear in these communications, because of time, distance and availability.
Think of it this way: Let's say that a page of text on the internet cost the equivalent of a weeks pay. Would you ramble on in that instance, or would you measure every syllable before you hit send? Would you leave definitions ambiguous? Would you make your intent open for interpretation? I beleive that if the founding fathers had a religious perspective in mind, they wouldd have been explidit about that intent. Our founding fathers knew religious intolerence. They had seen it in the colonies, in their laws that prescribed death for non-beleivers. They had endured it in Europe. If they had wanted a government of religion they would have stated so in a very explicit manner.
As to the title of this thread: Yes.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 10:49 AM
Yes.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 11:31 AM
Most Definitely

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 12:41 PM
The Pledge and slogans on the money additions were, for the most part, the result of the Cold War on "godless communists".

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.

The "War on Christmas" is Bill O'Reilly's fantasy.

That said my take is all religion is humanity's invention and has done and continues to do more harm than good. The greatest danger to peace today comes from conflict between fundamentalist Christians, Jews, and Muslims.

I do believe individuals can use a belief system to improve themselves. I know several deeply religious folks who fit this category.

The **** starts when some wants tell everyone else that their religion is the "only true" religion...this of course leads to war.

As for the Founding Fathers most were products of the Age of Enlightenment (also the title of a great book on Biblical error by FF Thomas Paine) and had very interpretive, personal, and non-fundamentalist religious views. Read Jefferson's letters, Franklin's autobiography, and the aforementioned Paine book.

Now as to the original question...God as a personal, controlling entity which guides and judges? Nope....

I do however love contemplation of the Great Mysteries and enjoy reading all manner of religious and spiritual writings. Recently read about ST. Stephen (of the grateful dead song) In Acts (of the Apostles) starting about chapter Six.

Music is my religion and I am a priest of the Church of the Sub-Atomic Vibration...ordained at the Mystery School of the Golden Road to Unlimited Devotion...

Bless you all, chilluns.




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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 01:52 PM
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What he (or she) said.

 

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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 02:43 PM
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Do you believe in god ???

Yes, but...

Not in a Religous sense,

Spiritually... in the view that I don't need much assistance in determining right from wrong



That is how I feel. And IMO there is just one God who could care less about what religion different people follow. One God for everyone.

I don't believe in organized religion and gave it up a long time ago. IMO, organized religion does more to divide us than to bring us closer together as people. I respect all religions, I just don't practice one myself anymore. I was brought up Catholic and was an alter boy for three years. Thankfully I didn't encounter any of those pedofile preists.

 

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What he (or she) said.




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  posted on 12/6/2008 at 03:25 PM
Do you believe in god ???

As Calvin once replied to Hobbes "Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me!"

 

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