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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 01:55 AM
Another right move by President Obama by not giving in to the Big Brother Left,


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Barack Obama
Obama Nixes Fairness Doctine Revival
By Anne E. Kornblut
President Obama does not support reviving the so-called Fairness doctrine, an aide said on Wednesday, knocking down speculation that Obama was open to reinstating the rule requiring broadcasters to air alternate perspectives on controversial issues.

Some administration officials had made non-committal remarks about the policy. But Ben LaBolt, a White House spokesman, said Obama "does not support the Fairness Doctrine," and never had. He pointed to comments from a spokesman during the 2008 campaign to that effect, saying Obama was now "reaffirming" his opposition to the abandoned rule.

Conservatives fiercely oppose the doctrine, and have threatened to cut off funding to the Federal Communications Commission if it tries to impose editorial limits on broadcasters, as some Democrats have occasionally urged.




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February 16, 2009
Categories: Talk Radio

Poll: Support for Fairness Doctrine drops

In a new Rasmussen poll, 38 percent of respondents said "the government should require all radio stations to offer equal amounts of conservative and liberal political commentary," a nine percent drop from August. Forty-seven percent oppose such government requirements, and 15 percent are unsure.

Only 26% of voters believe conservatives have an unfair advantage in the media, the argument several senior congressional Democrats use in pushing for the restoration of the Fairness Doctrine. Sixty-four percent (64%) disagree.

Most (52%) liberals say conservatives have an unfair advantage, while 79% of conservatives and 64% of moderates disagree.

Even a majority of Democratic voters (53%) say that conservatives do not have an unfair advantage in the media.

Seventy-four percent (74%) of voters overall say it is possible for just about any political view to be heard in today’s media with the Internet, cable networks, satellite radio, newspapers, radio and TV available. Just 19% disagree.

But 51% say it is at least somewhat likely that the Democratic-controlled Congress will restore the Fairness Doctrine, which requires holders of broadcast licenses to present balanced political coverage of important issues, as determined by the Federal Communications Commission. Fourteen percent (14%) believe it is Very Likely.



 

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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 03:01 AM
Another right move? Please. You act as if the "Fairness Doctrine" was something to be concerned over. Just you RW idiots are concerned, not the rest of the world.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 06:51 AM
PHOENIX — February 13, 2009: Former President Jimmy Carter weighed in on the potential return of the Fairness Doctrine today on Bonneville News/Talker KTAR/Phoenix's Mac & Gaydos.

Co-host Mac Watson asked Carter, "Do you think the Fairness Doctrine is something that should be brought back in the 21st century? This is something that came out in the '30s — should there be a place for the Fairness Doctrine?"

Carter responded, "Well, I liked it when it first came out, because I was just a child listening to programs, and I liked to hear some limits on some of the programs. But no. As a matter of fact, when I was president is when we deregulated radio, television, all the communications and relationships, so I have not been in favor of perpetuating the Fairness Doctrine since I've been in politics."

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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 08:54 AM
You can't seriously believe that after watching Obama in office for a few weeks, and listening to the complete disconnect of his words and actions, this is true for a second.

Here's a President who stated in his inaugural that we have chosen hope over fear, and then proceeds to use every extreme fear adjective he can find to describe our economy and why he must get his way on endless gov't spending.

He's contorted the vocabulary to call gov't spending a direct investment.

He's manipulated the language while talking about the stimulus bill and the insane mortgage program in recent days to say each helps preserve the American dream. When did that dream start to include gov't propping up everything in sight by stealing money from some and giving it to others who were too stupid to know what they were doing and/or don't pay any taxes in the first place?

Unlike the last holder of the office, this guy doesn't mash the syllables of words into something embarassingly unrecognizable. He's far more slick. He uses well understood cliche to cover actions that are in direct opposition to the meaning that most understand. The sentances don't equal the action. In fact they are usually the complete reverse.

When he says he has no interest in the Fairness Doctrine, I'd bet exactly the opposite will be the result.




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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 09:03 AM
A false alarm on a new 'Fairness Doctrine'
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/14/nation/na-onthemedia14

Its all just another RW rallying cry.

From an article at Crooks and Liars:

What Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have been telling their audiences is that any talk about the Fairness Doctrine is actually about trying to "silence" them. But of course, no one's interested in "silencing" anyone on the right: all we're talking about is creating a level playing field on the public airwaves so that a broad range of viewpoints can be heard instead of just one narrow bandwidth of ideology. This notion, naturally, is what they fear most, since their ideas don't compete well outside the vacuum they've created.

Thats the issue, nothing more, nothing less.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/some-straight-talk-about-fairness-d o

 

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But of course, no one's interested in "silencing" anyone on the right: all we're talking about is creating a level playing field on the public airwaves
What the heck do you think the Fairness Doctrine is Squatch? Do you not remember the days when TV/radio stations were forced to give airtime to opposing views?

 

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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 09:53 AM
The Fairness Doctrine is stupid and not needed and will never return.

 

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While I've read BarryO doesn't want the return of Censorship Doctrine per se he also apparently said he would not be adverse to the results thereof. As usual he's talking out of both sides of his mouth and allowing his apparatchiks to do his dirty work.

Like the Stalinists they are, the democrat leadership have an abject need and desire to silence all opposition and they will do everything they can to accomplish that. BarryO's admonition of the Censorship Doctrine is nothing but a smokescreen.

 

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Agreed. Why do you think it is that liberals, or non-conservatives if you will, have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?

 

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The Fairness Doctrine is stupid and not needed and will never return.


Exactly, precisely. Its something for the Right to wring their hands over, rather than finding something important to worry about.

 

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Agreed. Why do you think it is that liberals, or non-conservatives if you will, have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?


If you took the time to read the link I posted, your question was addressed.

 

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Why do you think it is that liberals have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?


1) They have trouble attracting corporate sponsorships because they spend too much time bashing corporations.

2) Their ideas and opinions don't stand up to the scrutiny of the everyday people that call the show.

 

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The Fairness Doctrine is stupid and not needed and will never return.
Agreed. Why do you think it is that liberals, or non-conservatives if you will, have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?


In Michigan, our glorious Congresswoman, Comrade Debbie Stabonow is married to a lobbyist named Tom Athans, who was recently arrested for buying a BJ from a twenty year old hooker and, who is also noted to for having been a co-founder of the failed Air America. Comrade Stabonow has been a vocal proponent of the return of the 'censorship doctrine.' Why is that do you suppose?

 

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Agreed. Why do you think it is that liberals, or non-conservatives if you will, have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?


Timing, for one thing. Limbaugh came along at just the right time to take advantage of a large audience that couldn't stand Bill Clinton (the Obama will destroy everything about life as we know it stuff now sounds a lot like 1993, IMO) and he obviously did very well with it. I don't think "conservative" talk radio does much but give people two things: 1) Someone to validate the notion that the Right is always Right and 2) Gives people a common enemy to blame.

Also, just IMO, but I think a clear difference is that the word "liberal" and all connotations and things around it has been demonized far more than the word "conservative." For W's entire term, sure, there was no lack of the left criticizing Bush and his Administration directly - and not so much criticism of conservatives themselves because they did (and still do) disown and re-own Bush whenever it suits the particular argument. However, conservative talk radio blames liberals for everything under the sun and pushes the notion that the Right has never done anything wrong, ever. The Party of Personal Responsibility takes actual responsibility for nothing, and that's evident with the attitude they've had since 1/20/09. I think this bothers me personally so much because I (not speaking for anyone else) have no problem saying that the left or Democrats haven't made their share of mistakes or bad decisions because they have.

I also think that perhaps there aren't as many people on the left that need someone on the radio to tell them how to think.

 

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I think some of you have the Fairness Doctrine confused with the Equal Time Rule.

Deregulation of the FCC a good thing? Where there was once a limit of something like 12 minutes of commercial (advertising) programming per hour (television) - there is now and endless stream of ads. A 30 minute show is actually only about 14 minutes long. Watching a movie on broadcast (no-cable) television? With all the commercials, I won't even bother trying.

 

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The Fairness Doctrine is stupid and not needed and will never return.
Agreed. Why do you think it is that liberals, or non-conservatives if you will, have not been able to gain a footing in the talk radio universe?


If you took the time to read the link I posted, your question was addressed.
I did read it. Seemed like a typical LW rant and proposal to solve something that won't solve anything.

On the one hand, he says...

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Since the wealthy in this country are overwhelmingly conservative, the end result was not only predictable, it was in fact predicted.
Really? You mean to tell me that that there isn't enough wealth in the LW to buy up some radio stations? Think of all those actors, musicians, trial lawyers - not to mention George Soros. This statement is patently ridiculous.


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As an aside - if the wealthy were overwhelmingly conservative, why aren't the LW seeking their counsel? They obviously know the secrets to creating and retaining wealth. Why isn't the LW trying to learn from that if it really wants to help it's constituency? Hmmmm....

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Anyway, his proposal goes on...

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Along with other ideas, the report recommends that national radio ownership not be allowed to exceed 5 percent of the total number of AM and FM broadcast stations, and local ownership should not exceed more than 10 percent of the total commercial radio stations in a given market.
Since he's already stated a belief that most of the wealth is in conservative hands, how will this help?

To me, this guy is just tossing together a few opinions and quotes and offering nothing new. Most importantly, he refuses to address the biggest issue: lack of audience for the LW message.

 

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I also think that perhaps there aren't as many people on the left that need someone on the radio to tell them how to think.
It doesn't take much thought to respond to every issue with the same answer: throw money at it and let government fix it.







Oh, this should start some fun.....

 

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I also think that perhaps there aren't as many people on the left that need someone on the radio to tell them how to think.


I've often felt that intelligent conservatives do not listen to Rush, Hannity etc. But less intelligent ones do, to learn points for their debates around the water cooler, on various forums etc. They don't call them talking points for nothing.

 

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In Michigan, our glorious Congresswoman, Comrade Debbie Stabonow is married to a lobbyist named Tom Athans, who was recently arrested for buying a BJ from a twenty year old hooker and, who is also noted to for having been a co-founder of the failed Air America. Comrade Stabonow has been a vocal proponent of the return of the 'censorship doctrine.' Why is that do you suppose?




Well it may have been a BJ & a hooker but a least she was 20 years old. Be my guest and Google this pack of dogs by name if you dare. For the record I personally don't care if people want to sit around and listen to Rush and Hannity with no opposing view.

A list of just a few Republicans who have a thing for kids.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican party chairman and Christian Coalition leader, Louis Beres is under investigation for sexually molesting his children.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.




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  posted on 2/19/2009 at 11:52 AM
Come on Patty; you know that someone with enough time could easily assemble the same kind of list with people of almost any identifying association: Democrats, priests, union workers, farmers, ABB forum addicts, etc., etc.

I'm not dismissing it - hell, let's shoot 'em all. But its not an exclusive club.

 

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Rich, I think that was exactly the point of Patty's list...that it was pointles for RBK to single out all liberals because of one guy...

You're exactly right, stupidity is indeed not an exclusive club.....

 

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I also think that perhaps there aren't as many people on the left that need someone on the radio to tell them how to think.
It doesn't take much thought to respond to every issue with the same answer: throw money at it and let government fix it.



Flip side: cut taxes and kill all the liberals. There we go. It's a wash.

 

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That's a helluva list, PattyG. Awaiting RBK's (a.k.a. Arby from Backstreets.com) "response".

 

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Rich, I think that was exactly the point of Patty's list...that it was pointles for RBK to single out all liberals because of one guy...

You're exactly right, stupidity is indeed not an exclusive club.....







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A false alarm on a new 'Fairness Doctrine'
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/nov/14/nation/na-onthemedia14

Its all just another RW rallying cry.

From an article at Crooks and Liars:

What Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have been telling their audiences is that any talk about the Fairness Doctrine is actually about trying to "silence" them. But of course, no one's interested in "silencing" anyone on the right: all we're talking about is creating a level playing field on the public airwaves so that a broad range of viewpoints can be heard instead of just one narrow bandwidth of ideology. This notion, naturally, is what they fear most, since their ideas don't compete well outside the vacuum they've created.

Thats the issue, nothing more, nothing less.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/some-straight-talk-about-fairness-d o

Whether it's the Fairness Doctrine, Equal TimeThey sound like a bunch of children feeling sorry for themselves. Liberal talk radio has one big voice, NPR. Air America was a pathetic flop, even though they were well publicized and had a few notables (Al Franken, Jeanine Garofolo -- titans of the entertainment industry) to draw listeners. But the project never went anywhere.

Why?

Because in the free market system, Air America found that not enough people wanted to listen. So rather than acknowledge that their message doesn't appeal to a significant listening audience they use a different approach to getting their message out.

The whole playing field concept is nonsense. Suppose I decided I wanted

 

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