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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:43 PM
The Philly runner NEVER TOUCHED HOME PLATE!!!

They need the review thing like in college football.

He never touched the plate

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:46 PM
the ump's have sucked in the Series & the play-offs.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:46 PM
Posada didn't catch the ball.
 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:46 PM
No way.

We do NOT need replay in baseball. The baseball umpires are the best referee's in all of pro sports despite a few blown calls this post season.

Either way, Pasoda dropped the ball.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:51 PM
It's all good they are leading now 4-2!
 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:53 PM
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the ump's have sucked in the Series & the play-offs.




true, but usually they get 99% of the calls right.

Now, compare that to the NBA....

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 09:55 PM
Not that I give a rat's ass about the Yankees, but while I'm for replay in some instances, I don't think it would work at home plate in this instance because the second that the ball was picked up and thrown to second base, the runner was called safe. If he had walked over and tagged the guy in the dugout, it looked like the ump would have called him out.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 10:30 PM
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Not that I give a rat's ass about the Yankees, but while I'm for replay in some instances, I don't think it would work at home plate in this instance because the second that the ball was picked up and thrown to second base, the runner was called safe. If he had walked over and tagged the guy in the dugout, it looked like the ump would have called him out.


If the runner misses the plate and the tag is not made, the umpire will not make a call. The fact that the umpire made a safe call means that he believed that Howard touched the plate.

 

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  posted on 11/1/2009 at 11:39 PM
Yankees are back in the lead
 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 09:14 AM
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If the runner misses the plate and the tag is not made, the umpire will not make a call. The fact that the umpire made a safe call means that he believed that Howard touched the plate.


correct..if a runner does NOT touch the plate, the ump makes no call

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 09:24 AM
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the ump's have sucked in the Series & the play-offs.




true, but usually they get 99% of the calls right.

Now, compare that to the NBA....


Comparing it to another sport makes no difference & it doesn't make it any better. Here's a good article from a few days ago ::

NEW YORK – Umpires added two more tick marks to their overflowing register of screw-ups Thursday night. These came in Game 2 of a World Series in which Major League Baseball broke from protocol and brought in a specific crew of veteran arbiters to ensure the miscues of the first two rounds wouldn’t dare find their way into games of such importance.

So, uh, oops?

It’s laughable at this point. It really is. It’s confounding to see players and managers and executives pooh-pooh the idea of instant replay when MLB is approaching a dozen missed calls in its most important month of the season. And it’s horrifying to see games turn not on the actions of players but of the men charged with enforcing the rules. And it’s sad that only an epic World Series will save this month from being remembered for the dodgy eyesight of middle-aged men.

“Utley was safe,” Charlie Manuel said, and he said it out of nowhere. The Philadelphia Phillies’ manager was trying to shake off his team’s 3-1 loss to the New York Yankees that evened the series at a game apiece, and he couldn’t get past the fact that Chase Utley(notes), his second baseman, had grounded into a double play. Because Utley hadn’t. Oh, Brian Gorman called him out at first base – and since MLB is too pigheaded to expand replays beyond home run calls, the call stood, even though Utley’s foot beat Derek Jeter’s(notes) throw.

“Go look,” Manuel said. “Yeah. He was safe.”

Had Gorman determined so, up would’ve stepped Ryan Howard(notes), the world’s best power hitter, with men on first and third base and two outs in the eighth inning of a two-run World Series game, to face Mariano Rivera(notes), the best closer baseball has seen, and certainly the most effective postseason pitcher. Bud Selig drools over such matchups. Of course, the commissioner spent a few minutes earlier in the day explaining why expanded replay doesn’t fly in his world, so he retreated back to his cocoon robbed of an epic moment in waiting because we’re supposed to accept human error as an excuse.

Never mind that technology allows us to fix it. Technology, in the antiquated world of baseball, is looked upon as a bogeyman. So, in that spirit, let’s, for a moment, renounce it all. Spell check? Froget ti. Cars? America could use the exercise. The Internet? Shut it down. Except for MLB.com. Because that’s worth a billion and change, and Bud wouldn’t want to forfeit that in the name of some misguided maxim.

Umpiring this postseason falls under such scrutiny because technology spoils us with the right call almost every time. Sure, there are situations that are inconclusive. Most are rather clear. When something so obvious remains in place despite your eyes telling you otherwise, it feels wrong and unfair, and any sympathy toward the parties who allow their poor work to be supported by flimsy reasoning disintegrates.

Not that it makes things better, but bad calls did go both ways Thursday. In the sixth inning, Johnny Damon(notes) hit a sinking line drive to first base. Howard plucked the ball off the ground – the dirt in front of his glove kicked into the air – and fired to second base immediately, as clear a signal as possible that he hadn’t caught the ball. His throw went wide. All runners were assumed safe. Except Gorman – him again – said Howard caught the ball, which made its way back to first base for a double play.

“Did I catch it?” Howard said. “Well, they called him out.”

And he winked.

Now, maybe something got caught in Howard’s right eye. Damn if it didn’t look like a wink, though, a nod to those whose displeasure with bad calls demands more reaction from baseball than putting together a crew of veterans who still need a safety net. Nearly every call they make is correct, and yet they’re like the long snapper, taken for granted and remembered for the ones they miss.

“I’m not saying nothing about the umpiring,” said Manuel, who then did exactly the opposite: “I’ve probably never thought umpiring was good, if you want to know the truth.”

Almost certainly the old-time umpires were no better than the newer ones. They just didn’t have cameras and super-slow-motion replays to niggle their every call. It makes replay understandable, feasible, workable.

“Then you take away from the nature of the game,” Phillies center fielder Shane Victorino(notes) said. “They’re human. Everyone makes mistakes. It kills you, but again, how many times does it happen?”

Hmmm. Well, there was the non-call on a pitch that hit Brandon Inge’s(notes) jersey with the bases loaded and the scored tied in a one-game playoff. And Joe Mauer’s(notes) would-be double that landed about a foot inside the line but was called foul. Plus that time Jorge Posada(notes) and Robinson Cano(notes) were both tagged off the base during the ALCS but only Posada was called out. Oh, and when Nick Swisher(notes) was thrown out and called safe, then left on time during a sacrifice fly and was called out – that was Doublemint fun. Can’t forget Ronnie Belliard(notes) clearly being tagged out and ruled safe. And two poor calls at first base against Boston in the ALDS. To come full circle, Utley fouled a ball off himself (dead ball), ran it out and got beaten by the throw to first anyway (out) and was declared safe.

“Well, are you going to replay every damn play?” Victorino said. “If you’re going to do that every play, we’re going to play seven-hour games.”

No. No, no, no. That kind of extrapolation doesn’t work here. A solution comes in moderation. A red flag. Twice a game. There usually aren’t more bad calls than that, and if there are, MLB takes a long, hard look at that umpire. Use the challenge flags too early and it’s a mistake that a manager will rue.

This is about the correct, accurate call. Everybody deserves it. If it takes a little longer, it is worth the time, the hassle, the aggravation. Go to the bathroom. Nuke a Hot Pocket. Clip your fingernails. Three minutes isn’t long. Every one of these calls was quite obvious on replay, and almost all would affect the fortunes of the season’s most critical games.

Instead, the World Series turns into a game as much of what-if as what was. For the brilliance of A.J. Burnett(notes) in the face of a potential 0-2 deficit, there was the foot of Utley touching the bag before the ball hit Mark Teixeira’s(notes) glove. And for the clutch home run of Hideki Matsui(notes) off Pedro Martinez(notes), there was Howard’s glove clearly not scooping the ball before it bathed in dirt. It’s not yin and yang, either. The two don’t balance out.

They leave us wondering just how much more of this baseball can take before adopting the rational point of view. The game is too good to get broadsided by something so fallible as eyeballs. So long as replay tops the offseason agenda, such a good-faith gesture will help temporarily. Until then, a kind request of the men in blue, who really try to make the right calls, as the World Series moves to Philadelphia for Game 3 and the calendar turns.

Please, don’t let it be Blindvember, too.



 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:05 AM
they have been pretty bad

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 10:51 AM
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No way.

We do NOT need replay in baseball. The baseball umpires are the best referee's in all of pro sports despite a few blown calls this post season.

Either way, Pasoda dropped the ball.


I used to always feel the same way. No replay in baseball. (I used to also feel that it was our right to be able to smoke in bars. But I don't smoke anymore, and I've come to really like smoke free bars these days, so I've changed an opinion that I thought 10-15 years ago I would never waiver on) However, the Umpires have been soooo bad during this years playoffs that I think some form of replay should be added for the playoffs only. Give each manager an option to call for one review at their discretion. I mainly just want to see them get the call right. What I don't want is to sit through multiple delays every game like we have to while watching a football game these days.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 11:14 AM
I don't know about the replay...but a Phillie better get plunked tonight!

Hit my guys 4 times? Somebody gotta pay...

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 11:37 AM
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I don't know about the replay...but a Phillie better get plunked tonight!

Hit my guys 4 times? Somebody gotta pay...


I'm ok w/them hitting A-Rod a few more times...I like the result.The only thing they have accomplished in hitting Yankee batters is waking them up...

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 12:30 PM
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"I'm ok w/them hitting A-Rod a few more times...I like the result.The only thing they have accomplished in hitting Yankee batters is waking them up... "




Go Yankees!

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 04:23 PM
Frankly, while it may seem like the Howard play, the Arod homer off the camera etc. are huge, balls and strikes play a far bigger role. Just look at hitters' averages with 0, 1 or 2 strikes, or 3-1, 2-0 etc. It has to start with getting these calls right first because the "big" plays are a function of the count, walks, K's etc.

If you remember the '90s Braves, their pitchers excelled at expanding the zone and getting calls/K's out of the strike zone. Make Maddux and Glavine bring that junk over the plate and they get tattooed.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 04:26 PM
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No way.

We do NOT need replay in baseball. The baseball umpires are the best referee's in all of pro sports despite a few blown calls this post season.

Either way, Pasoda dropped the ball.


I used to always feel the same way. No replay in baseball. (I used to also feel that it was our right to be able to smoke in bars. But I don't smoke anymore, and I've come to really like smoke free bars these days, so I've changed an opinion that I thought 10-15 years ago I would never waiver on) However, the Umpires have been soooo bad during this years playoffs that I think some form of replay should be added for the playoffs only. Give each manager an option to call for one review at their discretion. I mainly just want to see them get the call right. What I don't want is to sit through multiple delays every game like we have to while watching a football game these days.





If you want replay, then don't complain when the games take forever.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 04:51 PM
Please spare me the "we were robbed" BS!!! The Yankees have had more bad calls go their way through the years that it's sickening. It all started with Jeffrey Maier or whatever that stupid kids name was.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 04:55 PM
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Frankly, while it may seem like the Howard play, the Arod homer off the camera etc. are huge, balls and strikes play a far bigger role. Just look at hitters' averages with 0, 1 or 2 strikes, or 3-1, 2-0 etc. It has to start with getting these calls right first because the "big" plays are a function of the count, walks, K's etc.

If you remember the '90s Braves, their pitchers excelled at expanding the zone and getting calls/K's out of the strike zone. Make Maddux and Glavine bring that junk over the plate and they get tattooed.


Junk? Those two were the masters of the outside corner. Inside corner, too.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 06:13 PM
I think that the Phillies pitchers are going for a record in hit batsmen, but Johnny Damon's two for one sale last night was epic.

 

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  posted on 11/2/2009 at 06:34 PM
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Please spare me the "we were robbed" BS!!! The Yankees have had more bad calls go their way through the years that it's sickening. It all started with Jeffrey Maier or whatever that stupid kids name was.


the bad calls have gone both ways.

 

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